Could EoS Team 7 beat Juubi Jin Madara?

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When Naruto was transforming into the Kyuubi they were also feeling stomach pain but the real Naruto wasn't.

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So maybe if something happens with the Kyuubi chakra clones are affected, while the real Naruto isn't.

If it effects Naruto the same way, I don't think it'll be to the point that RSM Naruto will be unable to stand up. KCM Naruto felt a burning sensation from Roshi's lava and was still able to strike Roshi with a rasengan. In Kaguya's gravity dimension, Naruto could still dodge her ash bones despite his body feeling much heavier (albeit the ash bone wasn't targeted well). Both these feats show that Naruto can fight if his body feels bad so I don't think Madara attempting to summon Kurama will be that much of a distraction. Naruto would still attack/fight and not suddenly stop whatever he was doing and crouch down in pain.

I think that situation is different since the original was becoming taken over, but even if it's not, the effect should still apply on clones regardless of Naruto having Six Paths Sage Mode since the pain is internal and not dependent on durability or regeneration. They shouldn't be able to fight properly when it's used.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I think that situation is different since the original was becoming taken over, but even if it's not, the effect should still apply on clones regardless of Naruto having Six Paths Sage Mode since the pain is internal and not dependent on durability or regeneration. They shouldn't be able to fight properly when it's used.

But my point still stands. Naruto won't just stay still if his body doesn't feel well. He'll proabably not fight to the best of his abilities, but the pain will last at best a couple of seconds and Naruto wouldn't immediatley get down to deal with the pain in a high stake fight against Madara.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

But my point still stands. Naruto won't just stay still if his body doesn't feel well. He'll proabably not fight to the best of his abilities, but the pain will last at best a couple of seconds and Naruto wouldn't immediatley get down to deal with the pain in a high stake fight against Madara.

what are y'all debating about?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Team 7 would win wtf. What are limbo clones and chibaku tensei gonna do that kaguya herself wouldn't do ten times better? Naruto was going toe to toe with madara's limbo clones, four rsm clones put Madara to a standstill. When rsm naruto summoned an army of rsm clones, kaguya was beating. She used her byukagan and given the fact that byukagan her taijutsu was obviously going to be better than everyone else in that field.

She absorbed chakra better than Madara did, look at the chakra she was able to take in to revive her. And lava rasenshuuriken also comes into mind too. Chibaku tensei was already beaten and that's not better than Kaguya's dimension portals so what is Madara gonna do?
Plus dms Kakashi Susanoo would be hard for Madara let alone the intangible phase. Kaguya had ash bones to get rid of Susanoo.

 

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Team 7 would win wtf. What are limbo clones and chibaku tensei gonna do that kaguya herself wouldn't do ten times better? Naruto was going toe to toe with madara's limbo clones, four rsm clones put Madara to a standstill. When rsm naruto summoned an army of rsm clones, kaguya was beating. She used her byukagan and given the fact that byukagan her taijutsu was obviously going to be better than everyone else in that field.

She absorbed chakra better than Madara did, look at the chakra she was able to take in to revive her. And lava rasenshuuriken also comes into mind too. Chibaku tensei was already beaten and that's not better than Kaguya's dimension portals so what is Madara gonna do?
Plus dms Kakashi Susanoo would be hard for Madara let alone the intangible phase. Kaguya had ash bones to get rid of Susanoo.

lol. this is not worth a counter.

they win with dms kakashi though. lose with out him.

 

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=Holy God;20679075]Impossible. Limbo would be used to fight Naruto and Sasuke thus Madara would be close enough to them to the point that a Tailed Beast Bomb at wood clones would damage the duo.

then naruto simply uses his 3 kurama avatars to take of the wood clones with their tail swipes and punches, they are fodder to the avatars so their numbers wouldnt matter.

They could read his movements but as I remember they only actually hit him in the last clash.

yes, they hit him the moment they were able to track his movement. that was BSm naruto and Ems sasuke who are tiers below their rikudou counterpart. limbo is not going to fare any better

For one, he doesn't have enough of the specific chakra in order to simply use Boil Style whenever he wants, and secondly, Limbo wouldn't fight the clones, wood clones would, which can use Almighty Push or simply point their mouths at the clones and spit lightning that would interrupt their movement or kill them.

he only needs to use the chakra once and with the resultant strength, they obliterate limbo. wood clones get taken out by kurama avatars so they dont interfere while naruto tossess 9 bijju RS on them. shinra tensei couldnt do shit to base narutos clone army, yes jj madaras would be far stronger than pein but that was pein arc base naruto who is also leagues below Rsm naruto whos strength is being buffed with boil release so the gap is easily closed. raiton is dodged easily as the Real naruto was able to do so thats not a factor.

Madara simply catches the Tailed Beast Bomb with Wood Style and throws it back then. Not to mention once again if he focuses on that then he'll be forgetting about Perfect Susano'o and Limbo.

if madara opts to catch, then naruto applies frs to the bijju dama to prevent madara from catching them as a result of the cutting aspect of it in the same manner as madara infused ps slash in kuramas bijju dama to prevent hashirama from

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. the frs would negate that so madara cant catch them and considering what one bddfrs did to madaras meteors, then one completely wipes out all his mokuton constructs. this is even assuming naruto would be caught by any construct in the first place which would never happen. also why are you ignoring the 9 bijju FRS that naruto is capable off? one of those frs split the shinju, so non of madaras mokuton constructs is doing anything here.

limbo is irrelevant, ps gets taken down by kurama+ps fusion, all madaras other clones get taken out by the other kurama avatars and narutos bijju rs

Perfect Susano'o and Kurama's avatar are equals. If Naruto's clones can use it, so can Madara's stronger clones. And no, I said the ten-tails, not the Holy Tree. The ten-tails itself cannot be damaged and Madara wouldn't have to be immortal if Naruto and Sasuke get obliterated in seconds.

poor logic. ps and kurama avatar being equal in physical capabilities and firepower does not mean they can each perform similar feats as the other. the bold is not any sort of argument because naruto=/=madara, kurama avatar=/=ps. one doing something does not translate into the other so no madara cannot use ps on his clones, at least you havent provided any sufficient evidence to claim so

as for summoning the juubi, can he do that so? considering he has it sealed in him.

By the way, Madara can attempt to summon Kurama at any time which has been shown to burn Naruto to the point where he can't even stand up. It can easily distract him.

lol getting desperate now? from my memory, it was a clone of naruto that was affected by that, not the real naruto so fail. and even if that was the case, it would only minimally affect him for 2 secs max which isnt near enough time for madara to even do anything meaningful. not to mention sasuke is here, dont forget that, he can easily provide cover enough for naruto to snap out of it.

=rinnegan human puppet;20680419]point is invalid as rsm naruto got smacked by limbo as well, even though he can persive them.

and what did that smacking do? thats right nothing, and thats naruto without his avatar so what the hell is limbo going to accomplish when he has his avatar up which grants him access to kurama tail swipe that countered a slash from a rikudou ps?

again you keep underating limbo as if sasuke didnt warn naruto everytime they were around through out the fight. limbo can easily sneak up on them while they're facing madara. and with limbo swap helping madara avoid all damage its a not a non factor ability as you make it seem.

sasuke alerting him to limbo means nothing when naruto countered them secs later, he can see their location so he was just being cautious, thats not any sort of argument. lol limbo isnt sneaking shit when naruto has his clones around along side his kurama avatars. limbo is non factor, deal with it

thats why rsm naruto got smacked and team 7 got pushed back. again underating limbo. adressed above.

naruto got pushed back without any scratch, sasuke blocked limbos punch without any harm whatsoever. and am supposed to believe they are a factor when those two power up? lol

havent mentioned this but sasuke can also use his CT and seal them up.

wrong all limbos were around even though one got sealed. DB states limbo are immortal like the original madara they cannot be destroyed.

attacks containing sage chakra can harm them, with a jutsu as destructive as what naruto can dish they can be destroyed and weakened severely, it would take sometime to regenerate and they can also be sealed.

wrong again, jukai koutan had a world wide range when made by JJ madara, flower world should be around the same since both were around the same size when edo madara did them. so no one tbb will not take care of a big ass flower world made by JJ madara, when a tbb explosion is a little over a mountain.

lol stop. one bddfrs vaporized madaras meteor which was way larger than several mountains and naruto can use 6 of that with his gudoudama. pls, flower tree world is turned to dust, wide range or not. the fact that you even think it would be a factor is making it hard for me to take you seriously

limbo defeated them, thats all that matters, naruto makes more clones madara has susano mokuton clones backing them up.

if limbo did defeat them like i said it was not instantly, they were evenly matched for a while as canon shows and they were not being buffed up with boil release which naruto can do. madaras mokuton clones get obliterated by 3 kurama avatar clones or a bddfrs so they are not doing anything, while limbo get dominated by 8 shadow clones being buffed with boil release.

naruto can only make 3 kurama shadow clone avatars, mokuton clones can make 25 rikudo susanos with wood style, firestyle as shown in canon.

lol those soosanos were getting punched by tsunade and ei. apply buffs to both madara and naruto and kurama avatar completely wrecks their shit. bijju frs, bijju dama frs etc.

2 weaker clones vs 1 limbo will lose, it will be the same result as a stronger 1 clone vs limbo.

are you dumb? how is it two weaker clones? one was enough to match limbo so 2 from the start dominate them. simple logic.

naruto can make 3 kurama clones, one for the meteors, one for the 25 susano mokuton clones, one for wood golem and dragon, the original for limbo and flower world, sasuke tries to stop the juubidama tree but madara guards it with his own ps, if sasuke tried to ameno behind the tree madara shinra tensei's him away.

madara would have to instantly be aware that sasuke has warped for him to attempt shinra tensei and thats not possible considering it only takes an instant for sasuke to get there. once madara realises whats up, the tree would have already been caught easily. not to mention sasuke would be in ps which would tank the shinra tensei so that wont matter.

regardless if the tree gets cut down the 4 juubidamas go off thus still destroying whoever attempted to cut the tree. as soon as one dies its pretty much over since by themselves they stand no chance.

wrong, if the tree is destroyed in time, then it means the chakra medium that charges the juubi dama is destroyed so its not going off

already adressed, both were catious of limbo so your point is irrelevan

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theres no proof, in canon naruto and sasuke were catious about limbo. already adressed your whole point about limbo gets shut down by manga statements.

how does them being cautious mean anything? how does that mean they cant make it irrelevant when naruto already canonically did so even without even using near his real strength? stop

they're arent going to be facing madara when a couple of meteors was enough to distract them for enough time so that madara can cast a long ass IT.

ive already countered this. they got distracted in the manner they did because naruto planned to take out everything to protect sakura and kakashi, those two are not here so they dont need to destroy all the rocks. their ability to fly means they can only take out a little while leaving the rest which would pose no threat whatsoever.

add wood golem, dragon, flower world, 25 susano clones and its a wrap, i dont know how fast you imagine they can take care of multiple techs but in CANON it took them a lot just to deal with CT, stop overhyping them, quad juubidama takes less time than IT, they couldnt even stop madara from doing IT. so what makes you think they can stop a quad juubidama while he has PS and meteors are dropping.

you act like madara can use all those jutsus at the same time. stop. he can only summon one at a time and the moment he does they get countered so they all wont be around at once so narusasu wont have to face them at once. if he is using CT, or mokuton dragon or mokuton bunshin then he is not summoning the tree at that moment then so no juubi dama. he cant just use all of them at the get go, da fuk? and no, juubi dama does not take less time than IT considering he has to first summon the tree and then prep the juubi dama. once its summoned like i said sasuke would know since its a huge ass tree, then he warps and takes it down before any meaningful thing happens.

what? please stop the nonesense, sasuke straight chased madara and couldnt catch up because of the meteors and with naruto helping too.. by the time naruto actually took care of the meteors IT was long on its way.

because naruto wanted to take down all of them, here he doesnt need to, how hard is that to understand?? he can fly which allows him to escape the rest while destroying only a few.

so stop any meteor they destroy will take their time and attention. at this point its like you're deying what happened in canon. madara can literally stand still with his PS till the quad juubidama goes off, which again takes less time than IT.

am not denying what happened, am simply providing alternatives that can be used to avoid what happened. jubidama does not go off and no it doesnt take less time since for IT he looks at the moon and activates it whereas for jubidama he summons tree and then preps it.

i havent mentioned this even if quad jubidama activates, its not necessarily gg for narusasu why?

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obito was able to protect himself from it by using his TSB as a 360 degree shield. naruto can possibly do this with his own TSB and cover himself and sasuke who would be standing relatively close to him. so once the jubidama explosion wears off, lol madaras trump card fails, then they proceed to beat him gg.

so thats a possible counter for jubidama. sorry but narusasu is winning this fight.

any FRS attempt gets tanked by madaras ps standing next to it. any ameno slice attempt and the tree goes off killing sasuke, leaving naruto alone which is an automatic win for madara.

nope, tree gets cut down by sasuke, nothing goes off. even if it does go off, they can counter it as shown above so theres no win for madara

lol. sasuke noticed the MOON literally ON HIS FACE. he did not notice when madara actually made the hand signs or flew up to the moon, he was too busy slicing rocks.

considering the tree is huge and towers above pretty much everything, am pretty sure he is not going to miss that so this is irrelevant.

But what ever, lets say he notices on time, leaves naruto to deal with the meteors, he amenos behind madara's PS and tree and slices it, the juubidamas go off completely destroying sasuke, or madara shinra tensei's sasuke back before he can even harm the tree.

addressed, addressed. look above

why do you think when obito made a quad juubidame tree nobody attempted to cut it or harm it? because it would of gone off killing everybody. common sense your argument will end up with sasuke getting killed trying to cut the tree off lol.

weak ass argument. thats simply because obito wouldnt allow them do so as he himself

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. morever non in the alliance had the necessary firepower individually to take down the tree when it took a combined effort from all of them to attempt in doing

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so try again

jubidama doesnt get the chance to go off, even if it does , tsb shield can protect them possibly so either way nothing happens.

you're saying the same thing. already adressed above.

addressed as well

no they cant, again re read canon if you have to, they cant stop madara not even them together. they tried they couldnt.

i clearly said if they have knowledge, they didnt the last time. with knowledge, narutos flies up immediately, has a clone assist in taking down some of the metoers so madara doesnt the chance to cast IT.

lol. so to you its more logical that him getting his second eye automatically brought that limbo back and not him activating the tech again? lmao cmon. DB says limbo cant be killed and madara can have 4 around. one got sealed, all 4 were still around.

with his second eye combined with his other one, 4 was created. regardless this is irrelevant since limbo is non factor

keep dreaming lol.. first of all those barely did damage to kaguy's bare skin, why do you think they have enough power to destroy 25 rikudo susanos at the same time. not only that but wood golems as well? wood golems match ps and tanked TBB's before.

kaguya had the bijjus her and the attack was meant to affect that which it did seeing as she turned into her rabbit form. soosanos got pummeled by Tsunade, blind madaras senjutsu enhanced v3 got fodderized by all the bijjus tail swipes. all pre boost, post boost the same thing from jutsus powered up by rikudou chakra as well and senjutsu chakra. bddfrs fodderizes mokuton golems as it did to the meteors.

nop they couldn't keep up with madaras movements once he got the 2nd eye hence why IT happen. they can sense limbo but they still got smacked by them.

stop your fanfiction, no where was it shown that they couldnt keep up with his movements. IT happened not because madara was too fast, but because of the CT he used. already addressed limbo

limbo smacked giant beings so thats irrelevant, AGAIN, wood contructs match PS and kurama, please dont tell me you actually think kurama clones can fodderize them when they tanked tbb's went head on with PS and kurama enfused PS.

mokujin is what matched ps and madara didnt show to use that. mokuton dragon got destroyed by a tbb pre boost, same happens post boost and what matched kurama ps is shinsunsenju which madara doesnt have. lets not start giving him jutsus now.

kukuo is irrelevant, limbo smacked giant beings. naruto tried to use taijutsu he gets fcked by shinra tensei and basho tenin. all his moves get blocked by limbo like in canon or madara slaps him with a susano arm.

and limbo couldnt smack clones without boil release so irrelevant. limbo cant use shinra tensei or bansho tenin, no fanfiction allowed here. and the real madara would have his attention focused on naruto and sasuke so he wont be able to counter with those.

lol boil release? are you forgetting only six paths jutsus can even harm limbo, wrf are you talking about. limbo tanks that.

are you slow? who said anything about boil release itself doing damage? my point was that it would buff narutos strength up so he can do the damage. smh

already adressed and irrelevant since the wood dragons would stronger too and faster. u acting as because of rsm sensory abilites he cant get tagged, he even got smacked by limbo.

wood dragons in no way showed to be fast, not sure where you got that from. he avoided kaguyas attempts to grab him when she warped so he can avoid any slow ass dragon in comparison, then he destroys it with tbb

he's not just gonna avoid the wood dragon or a golem. stop with the nonsense before a tbb even goes off the wood dragon already has his kurama avatar sucking up his chakra.

those constrcuts would have to get past his clones using bijuu frs simultaneously, 9 of them. on cut the shinju, so all 9 shits on those golems individually or he tosses a bijuu dama frs and calls it a day

also wood dragons can also come from the underground right below kuramas feet completely avoding any attempt of a tbb.

lol scans of wood dragon doing this? last time i checked only the branches can sprout from underground like that, which naruto can sense and avoid. then it gets destroyed by a tbb used by a clone

already adressed above, bar rikudo boost kurama couldnt do it, post rikudo boosts he'a not doing it either since he's facing a rikudo boosted dragon as well or even multiplenones.

too bad a tbb showed to fodderize the dragon, so the same happens

already adressed. lol at boil release damaging limbos.

when you dont read properly thats how you make a clown out of yourself. the boil release was to increase his physical strength so he can overpower limbo. but it obviously flew over your head.

theres no proof he cant. since the mokuton clones was before he showcased PS, and he said himself he doesnt like showcasing PS unless necessary. also JJ madara has a lot more chakra potency so its possible.

if we are going to start handling madara jutsus that there wasnt any indication that he can do we might as well end this because am not entertaining that nonsense. v3 with legs is where it ends, nothing more.

but for the sake of this not being a stomp im not even going to bring that up. v3 rikudo susanos arent getting fodderized like you make it seem. they move around can dodge and can use other madara abilities. they're defenitly going to be a distraction for them when mere rocks was enough for them to not be able to stop madara from doing IT.

addressed. bijudama frs takes care of them since a rikudou ps took damage from the combination of the equivalent of 2 standard tbbs which is weaker than 2 tbbfrs so v3 stands no chance.

team 7 loses with out dms kakashi.

they win.

your reasons for madaras victory was based on juubidama, which wont get the chance to go off as ive shown and even if it does, they can still use tsb shield to protect themselves if naruto can possibly do it which he should.

so basically ive dissected the main base of your argument.

 

[darthvader5666]

No. That's why Kishi had to asspull Kaguya to get rid of him.

 

[Holy God]

poor logic. ps and kurama avatar being equal in physical capabilities and firepower does not mean they can each perform similar feats as the other. the bold is not any sort of argument because naruto=/=madara, kurama avatar=/=ps. one doing something does not translate into the other so no madara cannot use ps on his clones, at least you havent provided any sufficient evidence to claim so/

Now you're only trying to limit Madara's power. What's your logic on him being unable to use it besides the fact that he hasn't? He's already used Susano'o with clones and Perfect Susano'o is simply the next level. If you're so insistent I'll just use Kaguya's method then.

as for summoning the juubi, can he do that so? considering he has it sealed in him.

Yes, Obito already showed that it was possible.

then naruto simply uses his 3 kurama avatars to take of the wood clones with their tail swipes and punches, they are fodder to the avatars so their numbers wouldnt matter.

The wood clones use chakra arms to destroy the avatars easily then. Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack, which Naruto matched with his chakra arms, destroyed Perfect Susano'o with ease.

yes, they hit him the moment they were able to track his movement. that was BSm naruto and Ems sasuke who are tiers below their rikudou counterpart. limbo is not going to fare any better

Actually, they still didn't hit him with both of their efforts from each side, they were countered by Truth-Seeking Spheres. Even if Naruto and Sasuke are upgraded, so is Madara from Obito.

he only needs to use the chakra once and with the resultant strength, they obliterate limbo. wood clones get taken out by kurama avatars so they dont interfere while naruto tossess 9 bijju RS on them. shinra tensei couldnt do shit to base narutos clone army, yes jj madaras would be far stronger than pein but that was pein arc base naruto who is also leagues below Rsm naruto whos strength is being buffed with boil release so the gap is easily closed. raiton is dodged easily as the Real naruto was able to do so thats not a factor.

Already described that the avatars get taken out by chakra arms, so they don't get to Limbo. If Naruto tosses Rasenshuriken at them, it'll be countered by the real Madara (Perfect Susano'o) since they are always near each other. Sage Art: Storm Style: Light Fang was barely dodged by Naruto and that was Madara only shooting in one direction and not even directly at him. Almighty Push on a singular opponent is going to push them away. Naruto can't always use Boil Style because of his lack of chakra.

if madara opts to catch, then naruto applies frs to the bijju dama to prevent madara from catching them as a result of the cutting aspect of it in the same manner as madara infused ps slash in kuramas bijju dama to prevent hashirama from

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. the frs would negate that so madara cant catch them and considering what one bddfrs did to madaras meteors, then one completely wipes out all his mokuton constructs. this is even assuming naruto would be caught by any construct in the first place which would never happen. also why are you ignoring the 9 bijju FRS that naruto is capable off? one of those frs split the shinju, so non of madaras mokuton constructs is doing anything here.

If Naruto is caught by Wood Style and uses any large attack he gets caught in the blast and severely injures himself. Wood Style can spawn all around the environment so it's very easy to use to change Naruto's focus point. His avatar is done for if he is captured by Wood Dragon.

limbo is irrelevant, ps gets taken down by kurama+ps fusion, all madaras other clones get taken out by the other kurama avatars and narutos bijju rs

Limbo is once again not irrelevant and helps Madara defeat their avatar. All of Naruto's avatar clones get taken out by chakra arms from Madara's clones and Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken either destroys the shadow clones caught in the blast as well or is avoid because of the range the clone would have to fire from.

lol getting desperate now? from my memory, it was a clone of naruto that was affected by that, not the real naruto so fail. and even if that was the case, it would only minimally affect him for 2 secs max which isnt near enough time for madara to even do anything meaningful. not to mention sasuke is here, dont forget that, he can easily provide cover enough for naruto to snap out of it.

You're restricting Madara so I have to add to his arsenal. The pain lasts more than two seconds and it's enough time to get the clones damaged by Madara's own. Sure though, Sasuke could provide cover for the real Naruto.