As many people pointed out, there is nothing Madara can do that Sasuke/Naruto can't handle. Our biggest point is Limbo, when Limbo is not even a factor right now. Clones could handle Limbo. Sasuke can seal Limbo. Naruto can seal Limbo. You're under the idea that whenever Madara is close to being sealed he will Limbo swap his way out of it. You really think Naruto/Sasuke will let Limbo clones run wild. Not only that, Madara can't spam Limbo, they stay with him sometime before using it again. Do you think Naruto and Sasuke won't take advantage of that? Or Shadow/Wood Clone trick them. Considering they both have Godlike Sensory power, I'm sure they will fall for it.
Sasuke can't seal Limbo, only Naruto can. Besides that, there are four of them, so Naruto won't be able to seal one successfully as we know Shukaku's seals are slow and aren't even strong enough to contain Madara without the ten-tails, which is why Naruto also had to waste his Truth-Seeking Spheres. Sure, the shadows have a limit before going out again, but it's literally less than 15 seconds since he was able to use it only two pages after, and that limit would only work if all four are out at the same time. Naruto's clones won't be able to defeat Limbo because Madara can use his own clones to intercept them. And no, even Kaguya can't tell the difference between clones. Madara is the only one with that ability.
You claim Madara is a better fighter, but yet he ran from both of them. Not only that, Naruto and Sasuke run circles on Madara. Sasuke isn't that much faster than Naruto, tbh. This is a huge plus on both of them.
It's proven he's a better fighter. His shadows defeated Naruto's clones. What don't you get about that? Madara is at least as fast as Naruto as the Databook specifically states, and Sasuke is slower than both of them in pure speed. If he fights both of them himself and with Limbo they have no chance. Shadow clones are beat by wood clones.
You're giving Madara counters to attacks he have no idea what it is. There is no possible way for Madara to learn what those seals are. Or even come with a counter to the Yin/Yang seals considering that move is a OHKO.
If Madara loses, so does Kaguya, so Black Zetsu would tell him what they are. As we've seen, with Limbo one is able to transfer everything to a shadow, so they'd have to seal them all before even attempting.
Someone has already pointed out, Madara does not have the chakra to perform RinneSharingan abilities, but yet you give him hype to these techniques.
I not once gave him the hype to use Amenominaka nor Yomotsu Hirasaka. Feel free to look through the whole thread.
Naruto can also gather a shit load of Natural Energy to match all nine Tailed-Beast. Madara will not be getting up from an attack like that. Naruto will no doubt knock out the Tailed-Beast out in him.
Sorry, but Naruto's attack will pale. The ten-tails is stronger than the sum of its parts. The ten-tails' chakra is also filled with natural energy unlike Sasuke's attack. You do know that if Naruto even tried that he'd get wrecked in the crossfire, right? Madara however is immortal. Naruto would have to be pretty far back and hope Madara doesn't use his speed to simply dodge.
If Madara summon the Juubi/God Tree, then he is no longer immortal lmao.
It wouldn't really matter since the ten-tails can wipe out Naruto and Sasuke in one blow. Besides, Madara would still retain his regeneration, he just wouldn't be immortal.
I'm sorry, I just don't see Madara beating EoS Team 7.
Obviously I won't change your mind on him winning even though I continue to show you that he's superior, but you have to admit it'd be harder than dealing with Kaguya. Adding Kakashi could give them a win in my opinion, but then again Kakashi wouldn't have any possibility of getting Sharingan since Black Zetsu had them.
Sasuke can't seal Limbo, only Naruto can. Besides that, there are four of them, so Naruto won't be able to seal one successfully as we know Shukaku's seals are slow and aren't even strong enough to contain Madara without the ten-tails, which is why Naruto also had to waste his Truth-Seeking Spheres. Sure, the shadows have a limit before going out again, but it's literally less than 15 seconds since he was able to use it only two pages after, and that limit would only work if all four are out at the same time. Naruto's clones won't be able to defeat Limbo because Madara can use his own clones to intercept them. And no, even Kaguya can't tell the difference between clones. Madara is the only one with that ability.
It's proven he's a better fighter. His shadows defeated Naruto's clones. What don't you get about that? Madara is at least as fast as Naruto as the Databook specifically states, and Sasuke is slower than both of them in pure speed. If he fights both of them himself and with Limbo they have no chance. Shadow clones are beat by wood clones.
If Madara loses, so does Kaguya, so Black Zetsu would tell him what they are. As we've seen, with Limbo one is able to transfer everything to a shadow, so they'd have to seal them all before even attempting.
I not once gave him the hype to use Amenominaka nor Yomotsu Hirasaka. Feel free to look through the whole thread.
Sorry, but Naruto's attack will pale. The ten-tails is stronger than the sum of its parts. The ten-tails' chakra is also filled with natural energy unlike Sasuke's attack. You do know that if Naruto even tried that he'd get wrecked in the crossfire, right? Madara however is immortal. Naruto would have to be pretty far back and hope Madara doesn't use his speed to simply dodge.
It wouldn't really matter since the ten-tails can wipe out Naruto and Sasuke in one blow. Besides, Madara would still retain his regeneration, he just wouldn't be immortal.
Obviously I won't change your mind on him winning even though I continue to show you that he's superior, but you have to admit it'd be harder than dealing with Kaguya. Adding Kakashi could give them a win in my opinion, but then again Kakashi wouldn't have any possibility of getting Sharingan since Black Zetsu had them.
i dont even know why solo continues to dish out garbage arguments, when the other two people that said madara loses already conceded.. this is has been done many times in the vs section, award winning debaters already said madara wins. good job though holy god i know you from the vs section. these fanboys from the nds dont even know what their talkin about much less know how to debate.
Limbo being overwanked again. 4 clones matched them, 8 overwhelm their ass and naruto seals them off with tsb. or perfect soosano slashes or fist or kurama avatar tails slaughetrs them easily if they ever come close. they can only punch which doesnt put a scratch of kurama avatar and ps. non factor jutsu is non factor.
Madaras CT was countered, IT was countered, limbo was countered. naruto didnt even use his kurama avatar againts madara which gives him extra durability, combined with sasukes ps they would have beat madara, and sealed him off
Limbo being overwanked again. 4 clones matched them, 8 overwhelm their ass and naruto seals them off with tsb. or perfect soosano slashes or fist or kurama avatar tails slaughetrs them easily if they ever come close. they can only punch which doesnt put a scratch of kurama avatar and ps. non factor jutsu is non factor.
Madara uses Limbo to fight the real Naruto and Sasuke while his Wood clones fight Naruto's clones. Six Paths Sage Mode allows Madara and his shadows to avoid senseless slashing from avatars and they have the ability to knock avatars hundreds of feet with one punch.
Madaras CT was countered, IT was countered, limbo was countered. naruto didnt even use his kurama avatar againts madara which gives him extra durability, combined with sasukes ps they would have beat madara, and sealed him off
I can say the same thing: Madara didn't even use his Perfect Susano'o against the two which gives him extra durability. Combined with that, Wood Style creatures, the ten-tails, and Limbo, he would have beat the duo and killed them.
Limbo being overwanked again. 4 clones matched them, 8 overwhelm their ass and naruto seals them off with tsb. or perfect soosano slashes or fist or kurama avatar tails slaughetrs them easily if they ever come close. they can only punch which doesnt put a scratch of kurama avatar and ps. non factor jutsu is non factor.
Madaras CT was countered, IT was countered, limbo was countered. naruto didnt even use his kurama avatar againts madara which gives him extra durability, combined with sasukes ps they would have beat madara, and sealed him off
Wrong, 8 shadow clones wouldn't "overwhelm they ass" since all shadow clones share power thus 8 shadow clones would be weaker than 4, 16 would be weaker than 8 ect.. If naruto actually makes the dumb decision of making more clones to fight off limbo then madara makes mokuton susano clones. limbo smacked the bijuus bar rikudo boost stop the nonsense, they can defenitely smack around kurama again since madara's rikudo boost > naruto's and sasuke's. naruto clones matched limbo for one panel, then we see them gone and limbo still around.
CT got countered but not before madara could casually cast IT. so no they didnt just "brush it off" it took them time, in which madara was free to do what he wanted, if he would of gone in the offense with PS and quad juubi dama what then?
naruto didnt use kurama, madara didnt use PS. if naruto and sasuke combine avatars it doesnt matter, juubidama blows them out of the water regardless.
in canon naruto and sasuke were stuck in one spot in order to cover themselves from IT while it was on going. same scenario but instead of shin jukai koutan madara uses a quad juubi dama and destroys them.
ameno gets hard countered by PS and shinra tensei, it took naruto a while just to seal one limbo clone and he had to waste his TSB and madara wasn't around he was in the kamui dimension, good luck to naruto sealing a limbo in an actual fight. not only that madara still had his maxium amount of shadows (4) after that, which means all limbos come back when madara activates the tech.
bold. and they get fodderized by either of their avatars=limbo is irrelevant. naruto doesnt even need his clones to fight them
Six Paths Sage Mode allows Madara and his shadows to avoid senseless slashing from avatars and they have the ability to knock avatars hundreds of feet with one punch.
his shadows couldnt avoid getting tagged by narutos clones so they are not avoiding shit. naruto can sense them, sasuke can see and track them so their attacks would land perfectly. all they have to do is slap them away either with kurama tails or ps fist
you mean they have the ability to knock bijjus which are far weaker than rikudou enhanced avatars so means nothing. and even if that was the case, the bijjus couldnt perceive it so limbo had all the freedom to knock them down. thats certainly not the case with sasuke and naruto who would be aware of their location at any time and can prevent limbo from even coming close by fodder slapping them away or sasuke obliterates them with ps chidori
limbo isnt doing shit. they would get destroyed in the cross fire in this battle
I can say the same thing: Madara didn't even use his Perfect Susano'o against the two which gives him extra durability. Combined with that, Wood Style creatures, the ten-tails, and Limbo, he would have beat the duo and killed them.
ps+kurama>madaras ps. wood style would have done nothing, yoton frs bisected the God tree so any wood construct is cut with ease, already mentioned limbo being irrelevant. madara would have lost.
=rinnegan human puppet;20676751]Wrong, 8 shadow clones wouldn't "overwhelm they ass" since all shadow clones share power thus 8 shadow clones would be weaker than 4, 16 would be weaker than 8 ect..
hence why i said 8, if he focuses chakra on 8 only pretty sure they wont be weak. if 4 can match them, then there is no reason why 4 more cant tip the fight in their favour. limbo is fodderized.
If naruto actually makes the dumb decision of making more clones to fight off limbo then madara makes mokuton susano clones.
one TBB erases all his fodder mokuton soosano clones which were getting punched by the likes of tsunade pre boost. yes jj madaras version would be stronger than Edo madara, however so is naruto and sasuke compared to the 5 kages so it evens out
limbo smacked the bijuus bar rikudo boost stop the nonsense, they can defenitely smack around kurama again since madara's rikudo boost > naruto's and sasuke's.
already addressed this. limbo only knocked them down, it didnt even do any sort of damage. sasuke was able to block a punch from limbo and was only pushed back while landing on his feet. pls, stop overating that shit, narusasu avatars arent scratched by them. moreover unlike the bijjus, narusasu can perceive them so the moment they come close, they get pounded by kurama tails or ps fist.
naruto clones matched limbo for one panel, then we see them gone and limbo still around.
that could easily have been due to IT which made the clones disappear, no evidence it was limbo.
CT got countered but not before madara could casually cast IT. so no they didnt just "brush it off" it took them time, in which madara was free to do what he wanted, if he would of gone in the offense with PS and quad juubi dama what then?
if he had used PS then narusasu would have combined their avatars and destroyed it since they dont have to destroy all the CT rocks, just enough to clear their path so they can face madara. he wont get the chance to charge up jubidama with the tree because it would gets sliced by yoton FRS immediately its summoned.
naruto didnt use kurama, madara didnt use PS. if naruto and sasuke combine avatars it doesnt matter, juubidama blows them out of the water regardless.
jubbidma isnt happening as i addressed above. kurama+ps>>madara
in canon naruto and sasuke were stuck in one spot in order to cover themselves from IT while it was on going. same scenario but instead of shin jukai koutan madara uses a quad juubi dama and destroys them.
the thread is referencing who would have prevailed when madara was about to battle team 7 just before bz stabbed him so in that sense IT has already been cast so it wont be used again. everything else madara had wont need the duo to stay still in one spot
ameno gets hard countered by PS and shinra tensei, it took naruto a while just to seal one limbo clone and he had to waste his TSB and madara wasn't around he was in the kamui dimension, good luck to naruto sealing a limbo in an actual fight.
Sorry buddy, but Naruto and Sasuke won't be in their avatars the whole fight. I was specifically talking about close-quarters.
his shadows couldnt avoid getting tagged by narutos clones so they are not avoiding shit. naruto can sense them, sasuke can see and track them so their attacks would land perfectly. all they have to do is slap them away either with kurama tails or ps fist
you mean they have the ability to knock bijjus which are far weaker than rikudou enhanced avatars so means nothing. and even if that was the case, the bijjus couldnt perceive it so limbo had all the freedom to knock them down. thats certainly not the case with sasuke and naruto who would be aware of their location at any time and can prevent limbo from even coming close by fodder slapping them away or sasuke obliterates them with ps chidori
limbo isnt doing shit. they would get destroyed in the cross fire in this battle
Sorry, but when again was Limbo running away from clones in order to have even been "tagged"? Never. Obito was already fast enough to where Naruto and Sasuke had a hard time hitting him and Madara is faster. His shadows can avoid thin tails and swords with speed just like Kaguya did. Knocking the Tailed Beasts had simply nothing to do with their power, but their weight, and Naruto and Sasuke's avatars won't be heavier, not to mention that Madara is stronger in this form than when he did that. They can't just slap four fast beings and a Perfect Susano'o away at the same time. You're underestimating them.
ps+kurama>madaras ps. wood style would have done nothing, yoton frs bisected the God tree so any wood construct is cut with ease, already mentioned limbo being irrelevant. madara would have lost.
Sorry, but Wood Style drains chakra. I'm sure you'd say BSM Naruto's attacks could just destroy the Wood Dragon too but that simply couldn't happen in the manga. The constructs also spawn directly under and around the target so Naruto couldn't get a clear hit without destroy himself in the process. Perfect Susano'o and Limbo already surround their avatar as I told you and they can't defend against five Six Paths Sage Mode users at once.
wrong, limbo can still be used to limbo swap any seal attempt, like i said bar rikudo boost limbo smacked narutos avatar, same will happen post rikudo boost, you have no proof denying so.
his shadows couldnt avoid getting tagged by narutos clones so they are not avoiding shit. naruto can sense them, sasuke can see and track them so their attacks would land perfectly. all they have to do is slap them away either with kurama tails or ps fist
limbo shadows rushed naruto's clones so your point is irrelevant, i agree with them getting smacked by susano sword and kyubi tails.
you mean they have the ability to knock bijjus which are far weaker than rikudou enhanced avatars so means nothing. and even if that was the case, the bijjus couldnt perceive it so limbo had all the freedom to knock them down. thats certainly not the case with sasuke and naruto who would be aware of their location at any time and can prevent limbo from even coming close by fodder slapping them away or sasuke obliterates them with ps Chidori
they can still be used for limbo swap just in case madara ever gets in danger.
ps+kurama>madaras ps. wood style would have done nothing, yoton frs bisected the God tree so any wood construct is cut with ease, already mentioned limbo being irrelevant. madara would have lost.
doest matter, when madara had flower world, mokuton susano clones and juubidama tree's. no he would't have.
hence why i said 8, if he focuses chakra on 8 only pretty sure they wont be weak. if 4 can match them, then there is no reason why 4 more cant tip the fight in their favour. limbo is fodderized.
no evidence for this, 4 shadow clones lost to 4 limbo clones, 8 would be weaker than 4 they're losing even quicker.
one TBB erases all his fodder mokuton soosano clones which were getting punched by the likes of tsunade pre boost. yes jj madaras version would be stronger than Edo madara, however so is naruto and sasuke compared to the 5 kages so it evens out
agreed with this, however by then a quad juubidama would be ready to blow naruto and sasuke up, since they would have to focus on the mokuton clones to hit them all with a TBB.
already addressed this. limbo only knocked them down, it didnt even do any sort of damage. sasuke was able to block a punch from limbo and was only pushed back while landing on his feet. pls, stop overating that shit, narusasu avatars arent scratched by them. moreover unlike the bijjus, narusasu can perceive them so the moment they come close, they get pounded by kurama tails or ps fist.
didnt do damage but still knocked them down, irrelevant as the limbo stil pushed both naruto and sasuke back. stop underrating limbo, when multiple times sasuke warned naruto about them during the fight. if limbo rush upfront then yes their avatars would knock them away, but if madara rushes with his PS upfront and activates limbo from behind at the same time thats a different story.
that could easily have been due to IT which made the clones disappear, no evidence it was limbo.
since when does genjutsu affect shadow clones. for all we know they were gone before the genjutsu even started. so wrong you have no evidence to say it was IT and not limbo.
if he had used PS then narusasu would have combined their avatars and destroyed it since they dont have to destroy all the CT rocks, just enough to clear their path so they can face madara. he wont get the chance to charge up jubidama with the tree because it would gets sliced by yoton FRS immediately its summoned.
you act as if just because they combine their avatars they're automatically going to fodderize madara's PS, no. they still have to pay attention to the rocks doesnt matter if they destroy all of them or not. they will have to turn their focus to the rocks while madara preps up a quad juubidama, nothing is getting sliced when madara gaurds the juubidama tree with his own PS till it goes off.
juubidama isnt happening as i addressed above. kurama+ps>>madara
adressed above, any attempt to stop the quad juubidama tree gets blocked by madara's PS. not that it matters since they're going to be dealing with meteors and mokuton dragons and golems, flower world ect.
the thread is referencing who would have prevailed when madara was about to battle team 7 just before bz stabbed him so in that sense IT has already been cast so it wont be used again. everything else madara had wont need the duo to stay still in one spot
theres no evidence madara's second rinnegan brought a limbo back, however the DB does say madara can have up to 4 shadows max, which they were all around long after naruto had sealed one while madara wasnt present.
without their avatars, naruto counters them with clones like he did except he makes 8 this time. if madara attempts to fight them with wood clones like you suggested, they get taken out by bijjudama so they wont interfere
Sorry, but when again was Limbo running away from clones in order to have even been "tagged"?
eventually they were able to tag him after tracking his movements. sasukes eyes and narutos sensing already got used to juubitos movements meaning their tracking/sensing is at the jj level speed so even if madara is faster, that was bsm and ems sasuke who are tiers below Rsm and Rinnegan sasuke so it doesnt matter. not even the real madara can evade their attacks like nothing, considering he relies on limbo as a counter so neither would limbo and even if thats the case, at best it would only evade one hit but would surely get cut down with the next move.
His shadows can avoid thin tails and swords with speed just like Kaguya did.
kaguya>>madara so dont compare them. and sasukes soosano was already nearly destroyed and pushed back when he attempted to slash kaguya, its not the same if ps is fully in tact and facing limbo directly with sasuke being able to track its movement and strike so this is irrelevant.
knocking the Tailed Beasts had simply nothing to do with their power, but their weight, and Naruto and Sasuke's avatars won't be heavier, not to mention that Madara is stronger in this form than when he did that.
sorry, if the constructs durability surpasses the strength of the attacker then they wont get knocked away so yes being powerful in terms of durability counts and ps and rikudou kurama avatar>>>those bijjus. this doesnt even matter when limbo wont even get a chance to hit them as they would be too busy getting destroyed or countered with narutos clones like in canon.
They can't just slap four fast beings and a Perfect Susano'o away at the same time. You're underestimating them.
they slap them away with ease while ps is combatted by both
Sorry, but Wood Style drains chakra. I'm sure you'd say BSM Naruto's attacks could just destroy the Wood Dragon too but that simply couldn't happen in the manga.
bold you basically soloed yourself. wood dragon can only drain chakra if they make contact, that is never happening against Rsm naruto who turns the dragon to paste with tbb, or yoton frs. many options
The constructs also spawn directly under and around the target so Naruto couldn't get a clear hit without destroy himself in the process. Perfect Susano'o and Limbo already surround their avatar as I told you and they can't defend against five Six Paths Sage Mode users at once.
if they spun underground, naruto senses it and evades in the same manner he did against kaguya when she tried to grab him after opening a portal at his back. once he evades, he vaporizes them with his attacks. wood constructs are non factor, already countered limbo
bold is funny considering he already defended against 4 with his clones in cannon.
whats worse is naruto can even make 3 more kurama avatars equaling 4. so thats 5 avatars against madaras one including a combination of ps and kurama. they all engage madara and beat him up
without their avatars, naruto counters them with clones like he did except he makes 8 this time. if madara attempts to fight them with wood clones like you suggested, they get taken out by bijjudama so they wont interfere
So you're saying that Naruto destroys the wood clones with a Tailed Beast Bomb? The blast radius takes his own shadow clones out. It's a complete waste of chakra.
eventually they were able to tag him after tracking his movements. sasukes eyes and narutos sensing already got used to juubitos movements meaning their tracking/sensing is at the jj level speed so even if madara is faster, that was bsm and ems sasuke who are tiers below Rsm and Rinnegan sasuke so it doesnt matter. not even the real madara can evade their attacks like nothing, considering he relies on limbo as a counter so neither would limbo and even if thats the case, at best it would only evade one hit but would surely get cut down with the next move.
kaguya>>madara so dont compare them. and sasukes soosano was already nearly destroyed and pushed back when he attempted to slash kaguya, its not the same if ps is fully in tact and facing limbo directly with sasuke being able to track its movement and strike so this is irrelevant.
they slap them away with ease while ps is combatted by both
Naruto and Sasuke were only able to get a hit on Obito if they attacked at the same time, otherwise he was able to evade and counter. Sure, they'd probably be able to get Limbo after the first hit, but if four are attacking at the same time it'll be even more difficult, especially considering they have to focus their full power on Madara's Perfect Susano'o and Wood constructs or they get overpowered.
sorry, if the constructs durability surpasses the strength of the attacker then they wont get knocked away so yes being powerful in terms of durability counts and ps and rikudou kurama avatar>>>those bijjus. this doesnt even matter when limbo wont even get a chance to hit them as they would be too busy getting destroyed or countered with narutos clones like in canon.
No, durability has nothing to do with getting knocked around. An invincible cup can have the highest durability but still be tossed around. Naruto's clones get intercepted as stated before and them being able to simply swipe shadows away is the topic of above.
bold you basically soloed yourself. wood dragon can only drain chakra if they make contact, that is never happening against Rsm naruto who turns the dragon to paste with tbb, or yoton frs. many options
if they spun underground, naruto senses it and evades in the same manner he did against kaguya when she tried to grab him after opening a portal at his back. once he evades, he vaporizes them with his attacks. wood constructs are non factor, already countered limbo
Naruto in his avatar can't avoid the Wood Dragon as by the time he was able to bite it, it had already wrapped itself around and started to absorb. Once again, using a large scale attack before being caught wouldn't work unless he was far enough to not get caught in his own explosion, which won't happen in one jump. Either way, the fact that he has to deal with them means they are a problem when you also account for Madara's Perfect Susano'o and Limbo. They have to guard front, back, and below.
whats worse is naruto can even make 3 more kurama avatars equaling 4. so thats 5 avatars against madaras one including a combination of ps and kurama. they all engage madara and beat him up
I was hoping you wouldn't bring that up, simply because I'd just have to tell you that Madara carries far more chakra (and can absorb more from the Holy Tree) than Naruto and can make even more Perfect Susano'o with wood clones. Not to mention if he summons the ten-tails Naruto and Sasuke can't even put a dent in it.
even if zetsu dident attack madara. madara would have beat sasuke and naruto he was stronger then them. kakashi and sakura would have not been able to do anything
=rinnegan human puppet;20678412]wrong, limbo can still be used to limbo swap any seal attempt, like i said bar rikudo boost limbo smacked narutos avatar, same will happen post rikudo boost, you have no proof denying so.
the only one that would be getting smacked away is limbo. as ive stated before bm naruto could not perceive it so limbo was giving the opportunity of hitting them in the first place, Rsm naruto perceives and lays the smack down on limbo. you guys need to give the limbo wank a rest. read below am going to show you properly how limbo is made irrelevant
limbo shadows rushed naruto's clones so your point is irrelevant, i agree with them getting smacked by susano sword and kyubi tails.
use some common sense, even if limbo defeated them, it was not instantly as they were evenly matched at first. each clone 1vs 1 each limbo as was shown.
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this time 8 clones would engage limbo from the start so that would mean 2 clones vs 1 limbo from the beginning=naruto wins.
agreed with this, however by then a quad juubidama would be ready to blow naruto and sasuke up, since they would have to focus on the mokuton clones to hit them all with a TBB.
wrong, naruto can have a clone form the tbb, while the real him or sasuke cuts the tree in half so no juubidama. madara is not the only one who can multitask here
didnt do damage but still knocked them down, irrelevant as the limbo stil pushed both naruto and sasuke back. stop underrating limbo, when multiple times sasuke warned naruto about them during the fight.
it pushed them back but no damage was done whatsoever meaning nothing happens to them in their avatars. am not underating limbo, just showing its not a factor. sasuke simply alerted him to their position since he can see them clearly. says nothing about whether limbo can actually impact a battle that is clearly out of their league once narusasu power up when the only thing they can do is punch and were getting matched by shadow clones.
dont worry ill give further proof why they are irrelevant
if limbo rush upfront then yes their avatars would knock them away, but if madara rushes with his PS upfront and activates limbo from behind at the same time thats a different story.
doesnt matter whether they rush upfront or not, as long as naruto has shadow clones limbo is taken care of as ill soon show while the real him and sasuke face madara.
since when does genjutsu affect shadow clones. for all we know they were gone before the genjutsu even started. so wrong you have no evidence to say it was IT and not limbo.
even if what you say is correct its still doesnt matter in the end.
you act as if just because they combine their avatars they're automatically going to fodderize madara's PS, no. they still have to pay attention to the rocks doesnt matter if they destroy all of them or not.
they only pay attention to the ones they destroy. we saw when the rocks had fully formed they began dropping down, naruto and sasuke being able to fly means they only destroy the ones in their path and while they are flying, the rocks dropping down no longer becomes a threat so they dont focus on it but madara. madara would have to navigate through the CT to get to them, by the time he does they would be ready to face him.
they will have to turn their focus to the rocks while madara preps up a quad juubidama, nothing is getting sliced when madara gaurds the juubidama tree with his own PS till it goes off.
madara forms CT, naru sasu begins taking down some of them, madara summons tree, sasuke notices same way the rocks didnt prevent him from noticing when madara had casted IT, so he leaves the rocks for naruto to destroy while he warps towards the tree with ameno and cuts it down. madara guarding is irrelevant since he can only guard it from the front, pretty sure he cant offer a 360 degree protection so sasuke immediately warps behind it and madara and takes it down.
adressed above, any attempt to stop the quad juubidama tree gets blocked by madara's PS. not that it matters since they're going to be dealing with meteors and mokuton dragons and golems, flower world ect.
PS only can only protect the tree from the front, he cant actually cloak it and sasuke can warp anywere around it including the back so that wont work. they dont have to focus entirely on the rocks when they only need to take out whats in their front as they can fly and since you have madara protecting it with ps then they dont need to focus on him either. naruto forms kurama avatar clones and it takes out mokuton construct with tbb. once all said and done, madara gets gangrushed and killed
ok. so you're admitting that in a regular vs they lose but not here because IT has already been casted?
well in the scenario were IT is already casted yes they would lose but if they have knowledge before hand, they can prevent him from casting it.
theres no evidence madara's second rinnegan brought a limbo back, however the DB does say madara can have up to 4 shadows max, which they were all around long after naruto had sealed one while madara wasnt present.
its logical. 1 rinnegan=1 limbo, 2 Rinnegans=4 limbos. one was sealed so when he got both eyes he could create 4. however if he had remained with one rinnegan, then the moment it was sealed he wont have been able to use it again.
nop, they lose as already explained plenty of times.
=Holy God;20678591]So you're saying that Naruto destroys the wood clones with a Tailed Beast Bomb? The blast radius takes his own shadow clones out. It's a complete waste of chakra.
that doesnt change the fact that they could read his movements so limbo is no different.
Sure, they'd probably be able to get Limbo after the first hit, but if four are attacking at the same time it'll be even more difficult, especially considering they have to focus their full power on Madara's Perfect Susano'o and Wood constructs or they get overpowered.
the shadow clones handle limbo, the other 3 kurama avatars fodderize the wood constructs while the real naruto and sasuke handle madara. naruto can also multitask, you guys are forgetting that.
moreover kokuo can use boil release and buffs naruto physical strength to the point were he was able to smack kaguya towards a mountain and his clone was able to rip through one of her chakra arms
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so those clones engaging limbo completely shit on them.
No, durability has nothing to do with getting knocked around. An invincible cup can have the highest durability but still be tossed around. Naruto's clones get intercepted as stated before and them being able to simply swipe shadows away is the topic of above.
thats bm naruto, this is Rsm naruto. he wasnt using bsm then so he didnt have sensory in the form of sm hence he was caught unlike Rsm where he would be aware of the dragons movements at any time. like i said if madara forms the dragon, they get immediately destroyed by a tbb
Once again, using a large scale attack before being caught wouldn't work unless he was far enough to not get caught in his own explosion, which won't happen in one jump.
he doesnt get caught so this is irrelevant. he senses, evades and destroys it or he has a clone utilize frs and takes it out or his other kurama avatars destroy them.
Either way, the fact that he has to deal with them means they are a problem when you also account for Madara's Perfect Susano'o and Limbo. They have to guard front, back, and below.
multiple clones using bijju frs deals with the constructs, shadow clones buffed with boil releas deal with limbo, the real naruto and sasuke face madaras ps and beat it
I was hoping you wouldn't bring that up, simply because I'd just have to tell you that Madara carries far more chakra (and can absorb more from the Holy Tree) than Naruto and can make even more Perfect Susano'o with wood clones. Not to mention if he summons the ten-tails Naruto and Sasuke can't even put a dent in it.
there is no proof madara can use ps with his clones so dont say that. they cap at v3 with legs and get taken out easily. what do you mean summon the 10 tails? like release the shinju? lol yoton frs shits on it as per cannon, madara is no longer immortal so he gets killed easily if anything.
Impossible. Limbo would be used to fight Naruto and Sasuke thus Madara would be close enough to them to the point that a Tailed Beast Bomb at wood clones would damage the duo.
that doesnt change the fact that they could read his movements so limbo is no different.
They could read his movements but as I remember they only actually hit him in the last clash.
moreover kokuo can use boil release and buffs naruto physical strength to the point were he was able to smack kaguya towards a mountain and his clone was able to rip through one of her chakra arms
so those clones engaging limbo completely shit on them.
For one, he doesn't have enough of the specific chakra in order to simply use Boil Style whenever he wants, and secondly, Limbo wouldn't fight the clones, wood clones would, which can use Almighty Push or simply point their mouths at the clones and spit lightning that would interrupt their movement or kill them.
thats bm naruto, this is Rsm naruto. he wasnt using bsm then so he didnt have sensory in the form of sm hence he was caught unlike Rsm where he would be aware of the dragons movements at any time. like i said if madara forms the dragon, they get immediately destroyed by a tbb
Madara simply catches the Tailed Beast Bomb with Wood Style and throws it back then. Not to mention once again if he focuses on that then he'll be forgetting about Perfect Susano'o and Limbo.
there is no proof madara can use ps with his clones so dont say that. they cap at v3 with legs and get taken out easily. what do you mean summon the 10 tails? like release the shinju? lol yoton frs shits on it as per cannon, madara is no longer immortal so he gets killed easily if anything.
Perfect Susano'o and Kurama's avatar are equals. If Naruto's clones can use it, so can Madara's stronger clones. And no, I said the ten-tails, not the Holy Tree. The ten-tails itself cannot be damaged and Madara wouldn't have to be immortal if Naruto and Sasuke get obliterated in seconds.
By the way, Madara can attempt to summon Kurama at any time which has been shown to burn Naruto to the point where he can't even stand up. It can easily distract him.
the only one that would be getting smacked away is limbo. as ive stated before bm naruto could not perceive it so limbo was giving the opportunity of hitting them in the first place, Rsm naruto perceives and lays the smack down on limbo. you guys need to give the limbo wank a rest. read below am going to show you properly how limbo is made irrelevant
thats all that matters
because post rikudou boost can sense it unlike pre boost thats y. so it wont have the chance of punching anything when it would be getting destroyed.
if they are destroyed and sealed away madara cant use them
flower world is vapourized with tbb, as per mokuton clones and the tree is cut either with yoton frs or ps slash
use some common sense, even if limbo defeated them, it was not instantly as they were evenly matched at first. each clone 1vs 1 each limbo as was shown.
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this time 8 clones would engage limbo from the start so that would mean 2 clones vs 1 limbo from the beginning=naruto wins.
wrong, naruto can have a clone form the tbb, while the real him or sasuke cuts the tree in half so no juubidama. madara is not the only one who can multitask here
it pushed them back but no damage was done whatsoever meaning nothing happens to them in their avatars. am not underating limbo, just showing its not a factor. sasuke simply alerted him to their position since he can see them clearly. says nothing about whether limbo can actually impact a battle that is clearly out of their league once narusasu power up when the only thing they can do is punch and were getting matched by shadow clones.
dont worry ill give further proof why they are irrelevant
doesnt matter whether they rush upfront or not, as long as naruto has shadow clones limbo is taken care of as ill soon show while the real him and sasuke face madara.
even if what you say is correct its still doesnt matter in the end.
they only pay attention to the ones they destroy. we saw when the rocks had fully formed they began dropping down, naruto and sasuke being able to fly means they only destroy the ones in their path and while they are flying, the rocks dropping down no longer becomes a threat so they dont focus on it but madara. madara would have to navigate through the CT to get to them, by the time he does they would be ready to face him.
madara forms CT, naru sasu begins taking down some of them, madara summons tree, sasuke notices same way the rocks didnt prevent him from noticing when madara had casted IT, so he leaves the rocks for naruto to destroy while he warps towards the tree with ameno and cuts it down. madara guarding is irrelevant since he can only guard it from the front, pretty sure he cant offer a 360 degree protection so sasuke immediately warps behind it and madara and takes it down.
PS only can only protect the tree from the front, he cant actually cloak it and sasuke can warp anywere around it including the back so that wont work. they dont have to focus entirely on the rocks when they only need to take out whats in their front as they can fly and since you have madara protecting it with ps then they dont need to focus on him either. naruto forms kurama avatar clones and it takes out mokuton construct with tbb. once all said and done, madara gets gangrushed and killed
well in the scenario were IT is already casted yes they would lose but if they have knowledge before hand, they can prevent him from casting it.
its logical. 1 rinnegan=1 limbo, 2 Rinnegans=4 limbos. one was sealed so when he got both eyes he could create 4. however if he had remained with one rinnegan, then the moment it was sealed he wont have been able to use it again.
nah
no tbb takes out the wood clones before they interfere with the battle so they wont be in the blast radius. not to mention he can do this
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wood clones and any other mokuton construct bites the dust.
that doesnt change the fact that they could read his movements so limbo is no different.
the shadow clones handle limbo, the other 3 kurama avatars fodderize the wood constructs while the real naruto and sasuke handle madara. naruto can also multitask, you guys are forgetting that.
moreover kokuo can use boil release and buffs naruto physical strength to the point were he was able to smack kaguya towards a mountain and his clone was able to rip through one of her chakra arms
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so those clones engaging limbo completely shit on them.
8 narutos clones buffed up with boil release>>>>limbo. so in the end even if limbo can smack their avatars it wont matter since its getting fodderized
thats bm naruto, this is Rsm naruto. he wasnt using bsm then so he didnt have sensory in the form of sm hence he was caught unlike Rsm where he would be aware of the dragons movements at any time. like i said if madara forms the dragon, they get immediately destroyed by a tbb
he doesnt get caught so this is irrelevant. he senses, evades and destroys it or he has a clone utilize frs and takes it out or his other kurama avatars destroy them.
multiple clones using bijju frs deals with the constructs, shadow clones buffed with boil releas deal with limbo, the real naruto and sasuke face madaras ps and beat it
there is no proof madara can use ps with his clones so dont say that. they cap at v3 with legs and get taken out easily. what do you mean summon the 10 tails? like release the shinju? lol yoton frs shits on it as per cannon, madara is no longer immortal so he gets killed easily if anything.
the only one that would be getting smacked away is limbo. as ive stated before bm naruto could not perceive it so limbo was giving the opportunity of hitting them in the first place, Rsm naruto perceives and lays the smack down on limbo. you guys need to give the limbo wank a rest. read below am going to show you properly how limbo is made irrelevant
point is invalid as rsm naruto got smacked by limbo as well, even though he can persive them. again you keep underating limbo as if sasuke didnt warn naruto everytime they were around through out the fight. limbo can easily sneak up on them while they're facing madara. and with limbo swap helping madara avoid all damage its a not a non factor ability as you make it seem.
wrong again, jukai koutan had a world wide range when made by JJ madara, flower world should be around the same since both were around the same size when edo madara did them. so no one tbb will not take care of a big ass flower world made by JJ madara, when a tbb explosion is a little over a mountain.
use some common sense, even if limbo defeated them, it was not instantly as they were evenly matched at first. each clone 1vs 1 each limbo as was shown.
limbo defeated them, thats all that matters, naruto makes more clones madara has susano mokuton clones backing them up. naruto can only make 3 kurama shadow clone avatars, mokuton clones can make 25 rikudo susanos with wood style, firestyle as shown in canon.
this time 8 clones would engage limbo from the start so that would mean 2 clones vs 1 limbo from the beginning=naruto wins.
2 weaker clones vs 1 limbo will lose, it will be the same result as a stronger 1 clone vs limbo.[/quote]
wrong, naruto can have a clone form the tbb, while the real him or sasuke cuts the tree in half so no juubidama. madara is not the only one who can multitask here
naruto can make 3 kurama clones, one for the meteors, one for the 25 susano mokuton clones, one for wood golem and dragon, the original for limbo and flower world, sasuke tries to stop the juubidama tree but madara guards it with his own ps, if sasuke tried to ameno behind the tree madara shinra tensei's him away. regardless if the tree gets cut down the 4 juubidamas go off thus still destroying whoever attempted to cut the tree. as soon as one dies its pretty much over since by themselves they stand no chance.
it pushed them back but no damage was done whatsoever meaning nothing happens to them in their avatars. am not underating limbo, just showing its not a factor. sasuke simply alerted him to their position since he can see them clearly. says nothing about whether limbo can actually impact a battle that is clearly out of their league once narusasu power up when the only thing they can do is punch and were getting matched by shadow clones.
theres no proof, in canon naruto and sasuke were catious about limbo. already adressed your whole point about limbo gets shut down by manga statements.
doesn't matter whether they rush upfront or not, as long as naruto has shadow clones limbo is taken care of as ill soon show while the real him and sasuke face madara.
they're arent going to be facing madara when a couple of meteors was enough to distract them for enough time so that madara can cast a long ass IT. add wood golem, dragon, flower world, 25 susano clones and its a wrap, i dont know how fast you imagine they can take care of multiple techs but in CANON it took them a lot just to deal with CT, stop overhyping them, quad juubidama takes less time than IT, they couldnt even stop madara from doing IT. so what makes you think they can stop a quad juubidama while he has PS and meteors are dropping.
even if what you say is correct its still doesnt matter in the end.
they only pay attention to the ones they destroy. we saw when the rocks had fully formed they began dropping down, naruto and sasuke being able to fly means they only destroy the ones in their path and while they are flying, the rocks dropping down no longer becomes a threat so they dont focus on it but madara. madara would have to navigate through the CT to get to them, by the time he does they would be ready to face him.
what? please stop the nonesense, sasuke straight chased madara and couldnt catch up because of the meteors and with naruto helping too.. by the time naruto actually took care of the meteors IT was long on its way. so stop any meteor they destroy will take their time and attention. at this point its like you're deying what happened in canon. madara can literally stand still with his PS till the quad juubidama goes off, which again takes less time than IT. any FRS attempt gets tanked by madaras ps standing next to it. any ameno slice attempt and the tree goes off killing sasuke, leaving naruto alone which is an automatic win for madara.
madara forms CT, naru sasu begins taking down some of them, madara summons tree, sasuke notices same way the rocks didnt prevent him from noticing when madara had casted IT, so he leaves the rocks for naruto to destroy while he warps towards the tree with ameno and cuts it down. madara guarding is irrelevant since he can only guard it from the front, pretty sure he cant offer a 360 degree protection so sasuke immediately warps behind it and madara and takes it down.
lol. sasuke noticed the MOON literally ON HIS FACE. he did not notice when madara actually made the hand signs or flew up to the moon, he was too busy slicing rocks. But what ever, lets say he notices on time, leaves naruto to deal with the meteors, he amenos behind madara's PS and tree and slices it, the juubidamas go off completely destroying sasuke, or madara shinra tensei's sasuke back before he can even harm the tree. why do you think when obito made a quad juubidame tree nobody attempted to cut it or harm it? because it would of gone off killing everybody. common sense your argument will end up with sasuke getting killed trying to cut the tree off lol.
PS only can only protect the tree from the front, he cant actually cloak it and sasuke can warp anywere around it including the back so that wont work. they dont have to focus entirely on the rocks when they only need to take out whats in their front as they can fly and since you have madara protecting it with ps then they dont need to focus on him either. naruto forms kurama avatar clones and it takes out mokuton construct with tbb. once all said and done, madara gets gangrushed and killed
no they cant, again re read canon if you have to, they cant stop madara not even them together. they tried they couldnt.
it's logical. 1 rinnegan=1 limbo, 2 Rinnegans=4 limbos. one was sealed so when he got both eyes he could create 4. however if he had remained with one rinnegan, then the moment it was sealed he wont have been able to use it again
lol. so to you its more logical that him getting his second eye automatically brought that limbo back and not him activating the tech again? lmao cmon. DB says limbo cant be killed and madara can have 4 around. one got sealed, all 4 were still around.
no tbb takes out the wood clones before they interfere with the battle so they wont be in the blast radius. not to mention he can do this
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wood clones and any other mokuton construct bites the dust.
keep dreaming lol.. first of all those barely did damage to kaguy's bare skin, why do you think they have enough power to destroy 25 rikudo susanos at the same time. not only that but wood golems as well? wood golems match ps and tanked TBB's before.
that doesnt change the fact that they could read his movements so limbo is no different.
nop they couldn't keep up with madaras movements once he got the 2nd eye hence why IT happen. they can sense limbo but they still got smacked by them.
the shadow clones handle limbo, the other 3 kurama avatars fodderize the wood constructs while the real naruto and sasuke handle madara. naruto can also multitask, you guys are forgetting that.
moreover kokuo can use boil release and buffs naruto physical strength to the point were he was able to smack kaguya towards a mountain and his clone was able to rip through one of her chakra arms
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so those clones engaging limbo completely shit on them.
limbo smacked giant beings so thats irrelevant, AGAIN, wood contructs match PS and kurama, please dont tell me you actually think kurama clones can fodderize them when they tanked tbb's went head on with PS and kurama enfused PS.
kukuo is irrelevant, limbo smacked giant beings. naruto tried to use taijutsu he gets fcked by shinra tensei and basho tenin. all his moves get blocked by limbo like in canon or madara slaps him with a susano arm.
8 narutos clones buffed up with boil release>>>>limbo. so in the end even if limbo can smack their avatars it wont matter since its getting fodderize
lol boil release? are you forgetting only six paths jutsus can even harm limbo, wrf are you talking about. limbo tanks that.
thats bm naruto, this is Rsm naruto. he wasnt using bsm then so he didnt have sensory in the form of sm hence he was caught unlike Rsm where he would be aware of the dragons movements at any time. like i said if madara forms the dragon, they get immediately destroyed by a tbb
already adressed and irrelevant since the wood dragons would stronger too and faster. u acting as because of rsm sensory abilites he cant get tagged, he even got smacked by limbo. he's not just gonna avoid the wood dragon or a golem. stop with the nonsense before a tbb even goes off the wood dragon already has his kurama avatar sucking up his chakra. also wood dragons can also come from the underground right below kuramas feet completely avoding any attempt of a tbb.
he doesnt get caught so this is irrelevant. he senses, evades and destroys it or he has a clone utilize frs and takes it out or his other kurama avatars destroy them.
already adressed above, bar rikudo boost kurama couldnt do it, post rikudo boosts he'a not doing it either since he's facing a rikudo boosted dragon as well or even multiplenones.
multiple clones using bijju frs deals with the constructs, shadow clones buffed with boil releas deal with limbo, the real Naruto and sasuke face madaras ps and beat it
already adressed. lol at boil release damaging limbos.
there is no proof madara can use ps with his clones so dont say that. they cap at v3 with legs and get taken out easily. what do you mean summon the 10 tails? like release the shinju? lol yoton frs shits on it as per cannon, madara is no longer immortal so he gets killed easily if anything.
theres no proof he cant. since the mokuton clones was before he showcased PS, and he said himself he doesnt like showcasing PS unless necessary. also JJ madara has a lot more chakra potency so its possible. but for the sake of this not being a stomp im not even going to bring that up. v3 rikudo susanos arent getting fodderized like you make it seem. they move around can dodge and can use other madara abilities. they're defenitly going to be a distraction for them when mere rocks was enough for them to not be able to stop madara from doing IT.
Impossible. Limbo would be used to fight Naruto and Sasuke thus Madara would be close enough to them to the point that a Tailed Beast Bomb at wood clones would damage the duo.
They could read his movements but as I remember they only actually hit him in the last clash.
For one, he doesn't have enough of the specific chakra in order to simply use Boil Style whenever he wants, and secondly, Limbo wouldn't fight the clones, wood clones would, which can use Almighty Push or simply point their mouths at the clones and spit lightning that would interrupt their movement or kill them.
Madara simply catches the Tailed Beast Bomb with Wood Style and throws it back then. Not to mention once again if he focuses on that then he'll be forgetting about Perfect Susano'o and Limbo.
Perfect Susano'o and Kurama's avatar are equals. If Naruto's clones can use it, so can Madara's stronger clones. And no, I said the ten-tails, not the Holy Tree. The ten-tails itself cannot be damaged and Madara wouldn't have to be immortal if Naruto and Sasuke get obliterated in seconds.
By the way, Madara can attempt to summon Kurama at any time which has been shown to burn Naruto to the point where he can't even stand up. It can easily distract him.
When Naruto was transforming into the Kyuubi they were also feeling stomach pain but the real Naruto wasn't.
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So maybe if something happens with the Kyuubi chakra clones are affected, while the real Naruto isn't.
If it effects Naruto the same way, I don't think it'll be to the point that RSM Naruto will be unable to stand up. KCM Naruto felt a burning sensation from Roshi's lava and was still able to strike Roshi with a rasengan. In Kaguya's gravity dimension, Naruto could still dodge her ash bones despite his body feeling much heavier (albeit the ash bone wasn't targeted well). Both these feats show that Naruto can fight if his body feels bad so I don't think Madara attempting to summon Kurama will be that much of a distraction. Naruto would still attack/fight and not suddenly stop whatever he was doing and crouch down in pain.