Could EoS Team 7 beat Juubi Jin Madara?

[bowflex]

Yes but Naruto and Sasuke are two separate minds, they have the advantage of unpredictability especially considering Madara has no knowledge of the Yin/Yang seals



They failed because Madara used Limbo but afterwards they had no trouble blocking his ability to swap with Limbo clones which means Madara would no longer be able to prevent himself from being sealed.



Madara was aware of the threat Naruto and Sasuke posed, if he could use PS he would've used it during their fight but he didn't, and even if he could use it like you suggest he still wouldn't be able to overpower Sasuke's PS combined with Naruto's avatar.

He resorted to spamming giant meteorites and Naruto and Sasuke had no trouble destroying them, there's no other technique he has the can create the same level of destructive feats.




What other feats does he have that Naruto and Sasuke can't counter ? Deva Path is the strongest one and if he had stronger jutsu he would've used them first. Limbo is his strongest technique and it got countered with minimal effort.




Wrong, it was still the same version but without the RinneSharingan, and as I said before Madara never had the power to use Kaguya's abilities apart from IT because the amount of chakra it requires would make his body explode. Naruto and Sasuke would easily be able to seal him since he's not on Kaguya's level.




His strongest techs are Deva and Limbo both of which got countered, there's literally nothing in his arsenal that Naruto and Sasuke can't counter.

If Madara was capable of handling that amount of chakra that BZ forced him to absorb his body wouldn't explode in the first place. The chakra that overwhelmed him was nowhere near what Kaguya used.

It's the same principle with jinchuuriki, if the host can't control the chakra within them the bijuu takes over their body just as Kaguya took over Madara's.

when did naruto and sasuke ever touch madara after he got his 2nd eye or 3rd?

theres a difference between bz forcing madara to eat up ALL that chakra at once and madara just juicing up on what he can handle, jin comparison doesnt make sense.

deva and limbo his strongest attacks? u forgot Perfect susano, jukai koutan, quad juubidama, mokuton clones.. u dont even know what you are talking about.

naruto and sasuke are two seperate minds but neither have the battle expirience or strategy planning madara has.

the fact that in your garbage argument u keep comparing kaguya to madara and calling limbo madaras strongest attack doesnt even make me wanna reply to you. quit the nonsense already.

 

[Holy God]

Yes but Naruto and Sasuke are two separate minds, they have the advantage of unpredictability especially considering Madara has no knowledge of the Yin/Yang seals

That may have worked on Kaguya, but Madara actually thinks things out. Black Zetsu would also tell him about the seals since if he loses, so does Kaguya. Sasuke would have to be the leader in this situation and he definitely isn't unpredictable since he and Madara are similar.

They failed because Madara used Limbo but afterwards they had no trouble blocking his ability to swap with Limbo clones which means Madara would no longer be able to prevent himself from being sealed.

You know how long that seal took? If they tried that with a Madara that was serious they'd get blown away from the Limbo before being able to seal it. They were lucky he left to get his other Rinnegan, not to mention that this time they'd have to do it four times and make sure Madara doesn't undo the seal on any of them.

Madara was aware of the threat Naruto and Sasuke posed, if he could use PS he would've used it during their fight but he didn't, and even if he could use it like you suggest he still wouldn't be able to overpower Sasuke's PS combined with Naruto's avatar.

He resorted to spamming giant meteorites and Naruto and Sasuke had no trouble destroying them, there's no other technique he has the can create the same level of destructive feats.

Madara's Perfect Susano'o can match in firepower and in close-quarters it is taken care of by Limbo since they have the physical capability to knock around avatars. It'll be impossible for Naruto and Sasuke to take care of five targets at once. I'm sure you already know this, but Madara used Planetary Devastation as a distraction, not a move to destroy them. It's mere rock, he knew they'd destroy it. Though it may be the most powerful in terms of range, it's not the most useful for damage.

 

[Scryed]

EOS Team 7 win.

Mid difficulty. Kaguya lost due to Obito's powers since unlike Madara, she can seperate them.

Besides, Kaguya is superior to him. Period.

 

[bowflex]

EOS Team 7 win.

Mid difficulty. Kaguya lost due to Obito's powers since unlike Madara, she can seperate them.

Besides, Kaguya is superior to him. Period.

they win with dms kakashi lose with out him.

stop comparing kaguya to madara when she has no battle expertice or her own avatar construct like madara. madara doesnt need to seperate them when he has A. his own susano B. rinnegan expirience C. bijuus D. limbo and mokuton clones.

kaguya doesnt know how to fight, once BZ got removed
from her side it was over.. she got tagged by sakura and fell for sexy jutsu.. team 7 couldnt even stop madara from doing infinite tsukuyomi, power isnt everything, kaguya isnt even a shinobi.

 

[Scryed]

they win with dms kakashi lose with out him.

stop comparing kaguya to madara when she has no battle expertice or her own avatar construct like madara. madara doesnt need to seperate them when he has A. his own susano B. rinnegan expirience C. bijuus D. limbo and mokuton clones.

kaguya doesnt know how to fight, once BZ got removed
from her side it was over.. she got tagged by sakura and fell for sexy jutsu.. team 7 couldnt even stop madara from doing infinite tsukuyomi, power isnt everything, kaguya isnt even a shinobi.

She had more experience with that kind of power compared to Madara who only had it for a day. Not that it matters when it comes to fights of that scale which is why Madara was getting kicked around despite having more experience before getting his other eye. She looked pathetic during that fight and so did Madara mainly because Kishi was being rushed by his deadline.

I'll judge based on what they can do and ofcourse she isn't a shinobi. She doesn't have to be one to use her power.

 

[bowflex]

She had more experience with that kind of power compared to Madara who only had it for a day. Not that it matters when it comes to fights of that scale which is why Madara was getting kicked around despite having more experience before getting his other eye. She looked pathetic during that fight and so did Madara mainly because Kishi was being rushed by his deadline.

I'll judge based on what they can do and ofcourse she isn't a shinobi. She doesn't have to be one to use her power.

kaguya is more powerful, not more expirienced in combat.

stop bringing up 1 eye madara, when team 7 couldnt touch a full power madara much less stop him from doing infinite tsukuyomi, he pushed them back via limbo, distracted them with mere rocks and they couldnt keep up with him, thus infinite tsukuyomi happened..

kaguya is more powerful not a bigger threat, as sasuke said himself that momoshiki whos much weaker than kaguya was a bigger threat than her.

if you wanna talk about feats, madara did two global scale jutsus, IT and shin jukai koutan. we saw a small glipse of what a full power madara was capable off and that was enough to outclass team 7.

 

[Scryed]

kaguya is more powerful, not more expirienced in combat.

stop bringing up 1 eye madara, when team 7 couldnt touch a full power madara much less stop him from doing infinite tsukuyomi, he pushed them back via limbo, distracted them with mere rocks and they couldnt keep up with him, thus infinite tsukuyomi happened..

kaguya is more powerful not a bigger threat, as sasuke said himself that momoshiki whos much weaker than kaguya was a bigger threat than her.

if you wanna talk about feats, madara did two global scale jutsus, IT and shin jukai koutan. we saw a small glipse of what a full power madara was capable off and that was enough to outclass team 7.

I'll bring up one eyed Madara since he still had the Juubi's power when fighting them and he wasn't doing well at all despite them getting used to their power and him having more combat experience.

He had them distracted via Limbo but Naruto didn't even bother to summon 100 clones. They could keep up with him and they were which is why he decided to drop those meteors to get it the way which were dealt with easily. If it were a fight, he would've had to follow up with an attack rather than IT.


Kaguya IS the bigger threat compared to Madara. That was already established. I'll have to see the movie again since I don't recall Momoshiki being called the bigger threat though. She made the army to prevent thieves from stealing the new fruit she was trying to grow. Momoshiki tried to grow his own but failed to do so.


Not simply talking about feats. I tend to judge based on what they can do. For example, JJ Madara never displayed a PS. However, I still believe he can use it. There's no reason to believe that he can't.

Those global techniques wouldn't deal with Naruto and Sasuke. One is followed by the other after IT is cast to preserve the chakra of the IT victims.

 

[bowflex]

I'll bring up one eyed Madara since he still had the Juubi's power when fighting them and he wasn't doing well at all despite them getting used to their power and him having more combat experience.

He had them distracted via Limbo but Naruto didn't even bother to summon 100 clones. They could keep up with him and they were which is why he decided to drop those meteors to get it the way which were dealt with easily. If it were a fight, he would've had to follow up with an attack rather than IT.


Kaguya IS the bigger threat compared to Madara. That was already established. I'll have to see the movie again since I don't recall Momoshiki being called the bigger threat though. She made the army to prevent thieves from stealing the new fruit she was trying to grow. Momoshiki tried to grow his own but failed to do so.


Not simply talking about feats. I tend to judge based on what they can do. For example, JJ Madara never displayed a PS. However, I still believe he can use it. There's no reason to believe that he can't.

Those global techniques wouldn't deal with Naruto and Sasuke. One is followed by the other after IT is cast to preserve the chakra of the IT victims.

he had the juubi's power but not his full power, so he's irrelevant here.

the limbo and meteors were a distraction, already established dont know what point you are trying to make here, 1000 clones wouldn't make a difference since they would still have to deal with meteors.

kaguya being a bigger threat than madara was never established, all that was said is that she had more powerul chakra.

sasuke both in gaiden and boruto movie said momoshiki was a bigger threat, the zetsu army and fruit is irrelevant here.

still global scale feats, u missed my point its what he can do with his full power, those techs had team 7 hiding in a corner, if madara would've charged up a quad juubidama instead of using jukai kotan while IT was ongoing team 7 would've been blown to pieces because they were stuck in that spot due to IT. the fact that madara can easily keep team 7 at bay while he's free to do anything easily tells you who would win. while naruto and sasuke were distracted madara could've easily went on the offensive with PS, mokuton clones and mokuton dragon and golem and juubi damas. thats my point madara has too much for team 7 just to focus on him.

they lose without dms kakashi, and win with him.

 

[V h o]

Naruto and sasuke are enough to win convincingly. Add DMS kakashi and it's a stomp.

 

[bowflex]

Naruto and sasuke are enough to win convincingly. Add DMS kakashi and it's a stomp.

explain, how are they going to seal him, when he has PS, shinra tensei and 4 limbos he can swap with to avoid all damage.

madara outlasts or blows them up with a juubidama.

 

[V h o]

explain, how are they going to seal him, when he has PS, shinra tensei and 4 limbos he can swap with to avoid all damage.

madara outlasts or blows them up with a juubidama.

They have more than enough firepower to stop his PS, and narutos clones can fight his limbo. Even more so since they can use avatar as well, while limbo is stuck with taijutsu. Limbo get sealed eventually and madara gets sealed with no switch.

 

[bowflex]

They have more than enough firepower to stop his PS, and narutos clones can fight his limbo. Even more so since they can use avatar as well, while limbo is stuck with taijutsu. Limbo get sealed eventually and madara gets sealed with no switch.

it would be impossible for naruto to seal a limbo, as the only reason he did it was because madara was not around, regardless db says madara can have up to 4 limbos MAX, and they were around right before madara got betrayed by BZ, which means everytime madara activates limbo they all come back.

they have the fire power but so does madara, mokuton susano clones, mokuton dragon while meteors drop and quad juubi dama tree charges up, all madara has to do is guard the juubi dama tree with his own PS, not that it matters since naruto and sasuke would be distracted by meteors and susano mokuton clones coming at them, the juubidama goes off and blows them up.

or madara can simply outlast, if they do manage to get through his susano with everything going on, they still have to go through his shinra tensei and then his limbo swap to even seal him, with out dms kakashi i dont see how that is possible.

 

[V h o]

it would be impossible for naruto to seal a limbo, as the only reason he did it was because madara was not around, regardless db says madara can have up to 4 limbos MAX, and they were around right before madara got betrayed by BZ, which means everytime madara activates limbo they all come back.

they have the fire power but so does madara, mokuton susano clones, mokuton dragon while meteors drop and quad juubi dama tree charges up, all madara has to do is guard the juubi dama tree with his own PS, not that it matters since naruto and sasuke would be distracted by meteors and susano mokuton clones coming at them, the juubidama goes off and blows them up.

or madara can simply outlast, if they do manage to get through his susano with everything going on, they still have to go through his shinra tensei and then his limbo swap to even seal him, with out dms kakashi i dont see how that is possible.

I have no reason to believe the bold. 2nd rinnegan brought them back.

Meteors were handled quickly as in canon. Wood dragon gets destroyed in cross fire, or annihilated by lava RS. Madara doesn't have enough time to charge up the tbbs with naruto and sasuke after him, and even if he escapes sasuke is fast enough to close the distance as shown in canon. Ameno forces a limbo save or sealed so whenever limbo is gone it's over for madara. You assume that it takes naruto and sasuke awhile to deal with anything madara throws at them which it doesn't. Going further narutos vote 2 fire power completely destroys madaras defense.

This is my last reply to you.

 

[bowflex]

I have no reason to believe the bold. 2nd rinnegan brought them back.

Meteors were handled quickly as in canon. Wood dragon gets destroyed in cross fire, or annihilated by lava RS. Madara doesn't have enough time to charge up the tbbs with naruto and sasuke after him, and even if he escapes sasuke is fast enough to close the distance as shown in canon. Ameno forces a limbo save or sealed so whenever limbo is gone it's over for madara. You assume that it takes naruto and sasuke awhile to deal with anything madara throws at them which it doesn't. Going further narutos vote 2 fire power completely destroys madaras defense.

This is my last reply to you.

theres no evidence that the 2nd rinnegan brought the limbos back. db says madara can only have 4, one got sealed but 4 were still around later on.

wood dragon bar rikudo boost trapped naruto's avatar, With rikudo boost it should do the same. meteors were not handled before madara was able to casually cast infinite tsukuyomi which takes more time than a quad juubidama, so how was that "quick", and that was the meteors alone, if madara does mokuton clones with susano on top of the meteors team 7 is ****ed. ameno doesnt force anything when madara is on his PS or when he shinra tense sasuke away as soon as he ameno's him, ameno also had a range and a cool down. quad juubidama >> naruto's vote 2 attack. easily eats it up and blows them out the water as shown the explosion from a v2 juubidama was bigger than the vote 2 clash which was a combination of indras arrow and narutos attack, naruto's attack by itself stands no chance.

ameno gets countered via PS and shinra tensei, juubidama is stronger than any of team 7's offenses and takes less time than Infinite tsukuyomi, which in canon naruto and sasuke were not able to stop just because of the meteors.

flower world pullen goes through avatars, naruto and sasuke will be forced to fly with meteors falling on them, mokuton susano clones on them while madara casually charges up a quad juubidama and guards it with his PS till it goes off and destroyes them.

madara does IT like in canon, naruto and sasuke are forced to stand on one spot to cover themselves, while IT is on going madara fires a juuidama at them destroying them.

its a lot of ways madara wins this. with out dms kakashi team 7 loses.

 

[Solo]

theres no evidence that the 2nd rinnegan brought the limbos back. db says madara can only have 4, one got sealed but 4 were still around later on.

wood dragon bar rikudo boost trapped naruto's avatar, With rikudo boost it should do the same. meteors were not handled before madara was able to casually cast infinite tsukuyomi which takes more time than a quad juubidama, so how was that "quick", and that was the meteors alone, if madara does mokuton clones with susano on top of the meteors team 7 is ****ed. ameno doesnt force anything when madara is on his PS or when he shinra tense sasuke away as soon as he ameno's him, ameno also had a range and a cool down. quad juubidama >> naruto's vote 2 attack. easily eats it up and blows them out the water as shown the explosion from a v2 juubidama was bigger than the vote 2 clash which was a combination of indras arrow and narutos attack, naruto's attack by itself stands no chance.

ameno gets countered via PS and shinra tensei, juubidama is stronger than any of team 7's offenses and takes less time than Infinite tsukuyomi, which in canon naruto and sasuke were not able to stop just because of the meteors.

flower world pullen goes through avatars, naruto and sasuke will be forced to fly with meteors falling on them, mokuton susano clones on them while madara casually charges up a quad juubidama and guards it with his PS till it goes off and destroyes them.

madara does IT like in canon, naruto and sasuke are forced to stand on one spot to cover themselves, while IT is on going madara fires a juuidama at them destroying them.

its a lot of ways madara wins this. with out dms kakashi team 7 loses.

Just stop. Madara loses.

 

[Holy God]

Just stop. Madara loses.

Why do you say that when everyone's failed to sufficiently counter my points? You haven't even justified a "low diff" as you said.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Naruto and Sasuke would have won, especially since Madara doesn't know that both of them touching him at the same time activates the seal. Add in DMS Kakashi and it's garunteed.
Madara has more destructive power but Naruto/Sasuke's goal isn't to outmuscle Madara but to seal him. I'm certain Naruto and Sasuke can get the chance to touch Madara at the same time.

 

[LoZelda101]

Pftt madara is fodder. Give me 20 good men.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Naruto and Sasuke would have won, especially since Madara doesn't know that both of them touching him at the same time activates the seal. Add in DMS Kakashi and it's garunteed.
Madara has more destructive power but Naruto/Sasuke's goal isn't to outmuscle Madara but to seal him. I'm certain Naruto and Sasuke can get the chance to touch Madara at the same time.

nop, it has already been explained in the thread why he wins. they first have to immobilize madara, after going through his PS, on top of shinra tensei and even then he still has multiple limbo's to swap with. that would be near impossible, madara is smarter than them and has more expirience than them and simply too much defense. he isnt getting sealed with out DMS kakashi's help.

 

[Solo]

Why do you say that when everyone's failed to sufficiently counter my points? You haven't even justified a "low diff" as you said.

As many people pointed out, there is nothing Madara can do that Sasuke/Naruto can't handle. Our biggest point is Limbo, when Limbo is not even a factor right now. Clones could handle Limbo. Sasuke can seal Limbo. Naruto can seal Limbo. You're under the idea that whenever Madara is close to being sealed he will Limbo swap his way out of it. You really think Naruto/Sasuke will let Limbo clones run wild. Not only that, Madara can't spam Limbo, they stay with him sometime before using it again. Do you think Naruto and Sasuke won't take advantage of that? Or Shadow/Wood Clone trick them. Considering they both have Godlike Sensory power, I'm sure they will fall for it.

You claim Madara is a better fighter, but yet he ran from both of them. Not only that, Naruto and Sasuke run circles on Madara. Sasuke isn't that much faster than Naruto, tbh. This is a huge plus on both of them.

You're giving Madara counters to attacks he have no idea what it is. There is no possible way for Madara to learn what those seals are. Or even come with a counter to the Yin/Yang seals considering that move is a OHKO.

Someone has already pointed out, Madara does not have the chakra to perform RinneSharingan abilities, but yet you give him hype to these techniques.

Naruto can also gather a shit load of Natural Energy to match all nine Tailed-Beast. Madara will not be getting up from an attack like that. Naruto will no doubt knock out the Tailed-Beast out in him.

If Madara summon the Juubi/God Tree, then he is no longer immortal lmao.

I'm sorry, I just don't see Madara beating EoS Team 7.

If we throw DMS Kakashi into this, GG.