Could EoS Team 7 beat Juubi Jin Madara?

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So, Madara fans claim Team 7 would have lost against Madara if Black Zetsu didn't neg him. So, how exactly does a stronger opponent with knowledge of the Yin/Yang Seals lose, but an inferior opponent with no knowledge of the Yin/Yang Seals wins?

NarutoBase, plase explain this to me.

They would have won, mid to low diff.
 

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Naruto and Sasuke were about to win the fight within minutes if Limbo didn't interfere. But they ended up stopping the clones which means Madara no longer had any defence to prevent them from sealing him unlike Kaguya who had dimension swap and ash bone.
 

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Madara was a stronger fighter than Kaguya. despite the difference in power, Madara had almost infinitely more combat experience than Kaguya. Whether Madara would actually win against team 7 is another matter, but they most likely would have won.
 

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There's a lot of potential of his that we weren't shown such as his RinneSharingan abilities, Mangekyou Sharingan abilities, Limbo using techniques, and others. I'd certainly like to know why you could possibly think it's a low difficulty win.
 

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they win with dms kakashi lose with out him, to seal him they have to bypass his PS along with shinra tensei, even then he can limbo swap to safety. madara would of most likely outlasted them or blew them up with quad juubidama.

so to keep it short

team 7 eos with dms kakashi wins

team 7 oes with out dms kakashi mostl likely lose.
 

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There's a lot of potential of his that we weren't shown such as his RinneSharingan abilities, Mangekyou Sharingan abilities, Limbo using techniques, and others. I'd certainly like to know why you could possibly think it's a low difficulty win.
Because Madara had no knowledge of the Yin/Yang Seals. And the Ameno swap damn near sealed Madara and Kaguya within no longer than 5 minutes of the fight. That speaks volumes for how insane that technique is as far as teamwork goes. Not only that, Madara had no way of keeping Naruto separated.

Nafuto have the ability to seal Limbo.

Madara is a sloppy fighter than tends to underestimate his opponents because of his love for fighting.
 
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they win with dms kakashi lose with out him, to seal him they have to bypass his PS along with shinra tensei, even then he can limbo swap to safety. madara would of most likely outlasted them or blew them up with quad juubidama.

so to keep it short

team 7 eos with dms kakashi wins

team 7 oes with out dms kakashi mostl likely lose.
Apart from IT he would have never been able to use RinneSharingan abilities because he doesn't have the body to handle the amount of chakra it takes to use them
 

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Madara would have won, because as he stated he was stronger than Both Naruto and Sasuke combined. And Sakura/Kakashi were useless.

The only way Team 7 would have won is if Kakashi had DMS. But he didn't at the time so yes, Madara would have defeated Team 7.
 

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Because Madara had no knowledge of the Yin/Yang Seals. And the Ameno swap damn near sealed Madara and Kaguya within no longer than 5 minutes of the fight. That speaks volumes for how insane that technique is as far as teamwork goes. Not only that, Madara had no way of keeping Naruto separated.

Nafuto have the ability to seal Limbo.

Madara is a sloppy fighter than tends to underestimate his opponents because of his love for fighting.
Well let me explain to you why I think he would win, or at least push it to a degree of difficulty beyond Kaguya. As curtesy to ease his power I'll assume that Limbo cannot use techniques.

To address your first point, Madara after attaining both eyes was going to use the full power of the Rinnegan and refine his fighting abilities after realizing their power and taking them seriously.

Taijutsu:
Madara is superior to both individually. This is shown when Naruto's clones lost to Madara's shadows. With Limbo he is able to completely handle both of them at the same time and overpower each. There's not much else to say here since that information is certain. Clones won't work because Madara has superior chakra and Wood Style clones, which have been specifically stated to be better. Amenotejikara is their best bet but because of Madara's immortality and the recharge it won't provide them a certain win in this category.

Ninjutsu:
Like Kaguya, Madara is able to absorb chakra and most techniques. Any poorly used Rasengan/Rasenshuriken or Chidori becomes useless. He surpasses Sasuke in Fire Style usage and strength. His Sage Art: Storm Style: Light Fang moves at the speed of light and has the ability to cleanly cut through Truth-Seeking Spheres, meaning it should have the ability to pierce through any defense that isn't Naruto and Sasuke's strongest avatars. On the ground, Wood Style creatures and basic usage allows Madara to control the terrain and move through the ground (?). He should be able to use Sage Art: True Several Thousand Hands, but I'll leave that out. You should also take notice that since Madara has mastery over the Rinnegan, he can absorb and cast techniques at the same time, meaning he should be able to use this through Susano'o for some larger techniques. It also becomes useful at other times though.

Limbo:
You started off by saying Naruto can seal Limbo, but that's nearly impossible unless Madara runs off to give them the time. Using Truth-Seeking Spheres wouldn't work because they can simply be removed and if the duo don't continuously watch over the sealed ones, Madara could release the seal and free them. The Databook also states that Limbo has a maximum of four, so it's very possible that sealing them only works until the return since Madara had four when he got his second Rinnegan.

Avatars:
Madara's Perfect Susano'o is stronger than either's avatars but would probably hinder if facing them both at the same time. This is where Limbo comes in handy. We've been shown that one has the power and speed to knock multiple Tailed Beasts near simultaneously hundreds of feet. Keep in mind that this is before gaining the Six Paths Sage Mode, which would provide even more physical strength. With this, the shadows will have the power to knock around Naruto and Sasuke's avatars if not break them at the same time. If Naruto decides to use clones the same could be said for Madara. If they're on the ground the Wood Style creations can also pose danger.

Six Paths Seals:
This is the hardest part for Naruto and Sasuke. They only get one chance. Limbo almost assures that he can't get caught without having all his shadows sealed. Even then, unlike Madara, Sasuke can't tell the difference between clones, so a finely placed Wood Clone would be their worst nightmare.

Ten-Tails:
Madara isn't Kaguya, he hosts her, meaning that he, like Obito, is able to release the ten-tails and fight along side it while retaining his powers. Naruto and Sasuke literally have nothing that can defeat or counter it and it is several times larger than their avatars. I know what you're thinking. That would make it easier for them to seal it, right? Wrong. Because it is separated from Madara it wouldn't affect him at all, wasting their seals. He could either absorb it back, making the Six Paths Planetary Devastation useless or wait for it to finish and resummon the husk and reabsorb the Tailed Beasts.
 
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Even kishimoto labelled he had no idea how to finish madara so has to resort to zetsu and that present time madara was strongest person not just because of power he acquired but due to the experience he gained all the years. come on guys how can u compare the people who just recently started fighting from 12 with a guy who is born midst of war and grown in the battlefield killing grown up senjus who are easily jounin leveled. Team 7 are more like kids against madara in experience and yeah was not that surprised when blind madara negged sasuke and naruto along with SA easily given his experience who is already a genius, yes that's how it should be.
 

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Well let me explain to you why I think he would win, or at least push it to a degree of difficulty beyond Kaguya. As curtesy to ease his power I'll assume that Limbo cannot use techniques.

To address your first point, Madara after attaining both eyes was going to use the full power of the Rinnegan and refine his fighting abilities after realizing their power and taking them seriously.

Taijutsu:
Madara is superior to both individually. This is shown when Naruto's clones lost to Madara's shadows. With Limbo he is able to completely handle both of them at the same time and overpower each. There's not much else to say here since that information is certain. Clones won't work because Madara has superior chakra and Wood Style clones, which have been specifically stated to be better. Amenotejikara is their best bet but because of Madara's immortality and the recharge it won't provide them a certain win in this category.

Ninjutsu:
Like Kaguya, Madara is able to absorb chakra and most techniques. Any poorly used Rasengan/Rasenshuriken or Chidori becomes useless. He surpasses Sasuke in Fire Style usage and strength. His Sage Art: Storm Style: Light Fang moves at the speed of light and has the ability to cleanly cut through Truth-Seeking Spheres, meaning it should have the ability to pierce through any defense that isn't Naruto and Sasuke's strongest avatars. On the ground, Wood Style creatures and basic usage allows Madara to control the terrain and move through the ground (?). He should be able to use Sage Art: True Several Thousand Hands, but I'll leave that out. You should also take notice that since Madara has mastery over the Rinnegan, he can absorb and cast techniques at the same time, meaning he should be able to use this through Susano'o for some larger techniques. It also becomes useful at other times though.

Limbo:
You started off by saying Naruto can seal Limbo, but that's nearly impossible unless Madara runs off to give them the time. Using Truth-Seeking Spheres wouldn't work because they can simply be removed and if the duo don't continuously watch over the sealed ones, Madara could release the seal and free them. The Databook also states that Limbo has a maximum of four, so it's very possible that sealing them only works until the return since Madara had four when he got his second Rinnegan.

Avatars:
Madara's Perfect Susano'o is stronger than either's avatars but would probably hinder if facing them both at the same time. This is where Limbo comes in handy. We've been shown that one has the power and speed to knock multiple Tailed Beasts near simultaneously hundreds of feet. Keep in mind that this is before gaining the Six Paths Sage Mode, which would provide even more physical strength. With this, the shadows will have the power to knock around Naruto and Sasuke's avatars if not break them at the same time. If Naruto decides to use clones the same could be said for Madara. If they're on the ground the Wood Style creations can also pose danger.

Six Paths Seals:
This is the hardest part for Naruto and Sasuke. They only get one chance. Limbo almost assures that he can't get caught without having all his shadows sealed. Even then, unlike Madara, Sasuke can't tell the difference between clones, so a finely placed Wood Clone would be their worst nightmare.

Ten-Tails:
Madara isn't Kaguya, he hosts her, meaning that he, like Obito, is able to release the ten-tails and fight along side it while retaining his powers. Naruto and Sasuke literally have nothing that can defeat or counter it and it is several times larger than their avatars. I know what you're thinking. That would make it easier for them to seal it, right? Wrong. Because it is separated from Madara it wouldn't affect him at all, wasting their seals. He could either absorb it back, making the Six Paths Planetary Devastation useless or wait for it to finish and resummon the husk and reabsorb the Tailed Beasts.

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You said Madara have a superior Taijutsu? That's far from true. Madara could not overpowered RSM Naruto, not even. If he had better Taijutsu, then Naruto's or Sasuke's power growth would not have been a problem to him.

Are you saying Madara's Fire Style is stronger than Amaterasu or Blaze Release? Didn't Sasuke Susano'o Arrows destroy Naruto's last three TSB? So, I'm not sure why you're giving him pointless hype. Kaguya can absorb Ninjutsu too, but she still hit by them.

Again, you're going with "maybe's". Maybe Madara could use the Thousand hand Buddha, Maybe Madara could do the same feats as Sasuke.

You're hyping Limbo, which is simply a gimmick. Madara was scared to use Limbo against a half dead Obito because he had Rinnegan. If someone could perceive limbo, then it's not all that powerful. I highly doubt Wood Style would be a problem for Naruto or Sasuke.

Even if Madara used his Perfect Susano'o, then without doubt they would have created the Perfect Kuramano'o to fight him. Madara can't even tanked Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken. Kaguya couldn't even tank it.

You also made a counter for Yin/Yang Seal, a technique Madara have NO knowledge of.
 
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You said Madara have a superior Taijutsu? That's far from true. Madara could not overpowered RSM Naruto, not even. If he had better Taijutsu, then Naruto's or Sasuke's power growth would not have been a problem to him.
Naruto's clones lost to Madara's shadows in combat. He's superior. Your logic also does not make sense. Momoshiki was also stronger than either of the duo and still was bested when they combined their might.

Are you saying Madara's Fire Style is stronger than Amaterasu or Blaze Release? Didn't Sasuke Susano'o Arrows destroy Naruto's last three TSB? So, I'm not sure why you're giving him pointless hype. Kaguya can absorb Ninjutsu too, but she still hit by them.
I said his Fire Style is stronger than Sasuke's. Nothing about Amaterasu came up. Kaguya never absorbed Susano'o arrows or Truth-Seeking Spheres. If you're talking about the Rasenshuriken, there were too many.

Again, you're going with "maybe's". Maybe Madara could use the Thousand hand Buddha, Maybe Madara could do the same feats as Sasuke.
I never said anything about Madara copying Sasuke and I said that I wouldn't bring up him using the Buddha.

You're hyping Limbo, which is simply a gimmick. Madara was scared to use Limbo against a half dead Obito because he had Rinnegan. If someone could perceive limbo, then it's not all that powerful. I highly doubt Wood Style would be a problem for Naruto or Sasuke.
It's not hype, it's factual. Madara wasn't scared, he simply didn't want everyone to know what Limbo was. Wood Style made Hashirama to be known as the God of Shinobi. It'll be useful in the right situations, just like the Wood Dragon was able to overpower Naruto's avatar.

Even if Madara used his Perfect Susano'o, then without doubt they would have created the Perfect Kuramano'o to fight him. Madara can't even tanked Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken. Kaguya couldn't even tank it.
Perfect Susano'o and four shadows with the ability to knock around avatars can defeat that combination. Madara should be able to tank Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken as Kaguya was able to. Even if he couldn't and ended up the same, he'd recuperate in time just like her.

You also made a counter for Yin/Yang Seal, a technique Madara have NO knowledge of.
If we're being situational I could just say Madara separates them with Kamui. He'd figure out with their attempts.

I'm guessing you agree with everything else?
 
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You said Madara have a superior Taijutsu? That's far from true. Madara could not overpowered RSM Naruto, not even. If he had better Taijutsu, then Naruto's or Sasuke's power growth would not have been a problem to him.
limbo smacked naruto and pushed team 7 back. logic doesnt make sense.

Are you saying Madara's Fire Style is stronger than Amaterasu or Blaze Release? Didn't Sasuke Susano'o Arrows destroy Naruto's last three TSB? So, I'm not sure why you're giving him pointless hype. Kaguya can absorb Ninjutsu too, but she still hit by them.
fire style isnt amaterasu, regardless ametarsu is irrelevant as it gets petra'd easily. gai's 8 gates was also able to shatter tsb irrelevant, only the tail beast RS hit kaguya and that was only because of the bijuu chakra altering her own.

Again, you're going with "maybe's". Maybe Madara could use the Thousand hand Buddha, Maybe Madara could do the same feats as sasuke.
budda is not needed, jukai koutan used by JJ madara covered the narutoverse world(trapped every living being) if used offensively its a problem, wood dragon was able to overpower narutos avatar.

You're hyping Limbo, which is simply a gimmick. Madara was scared to use Limbo against a half dead Obito because he had Rinnegan. If someone could perceive limbo, then it's not all that powerful. I highly doubt Wood Style would be a problem for Naruto or sasuke.
limbo is dangerous and pushed back both naruto and sasuke, fact. madara wasnt scared he didnt want obito having intel on limbo. again with the woodstyle, we saw how much jukai kotan upscaled from edo madara to JJ madara, look at the difference, again wood dragon overpowered narutos avatar before either madara or naruto gained rikudo boost, same thing will happen since madara's rikudo boost is greater than naruto's and sasuke's.

Even if Madara used his Perfect Susano'o, then without doubt they would have created the Perfect Kuramano'o to fight him. Madara can't even tanked Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken. Kaguya couldn't even tank it.
using kaguya is such a horrible example, she got fooled by dumb strategies such as sexy jutsu and even got tagged by sakura a non rikudo character. naruto and sasuke avatars get blown by a quad juubidama, all madara has to do is distract them via meteor shower and limbo and protect the juubidama tree's till they go off, sure sasuke can ameno Them away from one but not all 4 they get destroyed.

You also made a counter for Yin/Yang Seal, a technique Madara have NO knowledge of.
same tech a much weaker version of madara already countered via limbo swap
 

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Well let me explain to you why I think he would win, or at least push it to a degree of difficulty beyond Kaguya. As curtesy to ease his power I'll assume that Limbo cannot use techniques.

To address your first point, Madara after attaining both eyes was going to use the full power of the Rinnegan and refine his fighting abilities after realizing their power and taking them seriously.

Taijutsu:
Madara is superior to both individually. This is shown when Naruto's clones lost to Madara's shadows. With Limbo he is able to completely handle both of them at the same time and overpower each. There's not much else to say here since that information is certain. Clones won't work because Madara has superior chakra and Wood Style clones, which have been specifically stated to be better. Amenotejikara is their best bet but because of Madara's immortality and the recharge it won't provide them a certain win in this category.

Ninjutsu:
Like Kaguya, Madara is able to absorb chakra and most techniques. Any poorly used Rasengan/Rasenshuriken or Chidori becomes useless. He surpasses Sasuke in Fire Style usage and strength. His Sage Art: Storm Style: Light Fang moves at the speed of light and has the ability to cleanly cut through Truth-Seeking Spheres, meaning it should have the ability to pierce through any defense that isn't Naruto and Sasuke's strongest avatars. On the ground, Wood Style creatures and basic usage allows Madara to control the terrain and move through the ground (?). He should be able to use Sage Art: True Several Thousand Hands, but I'll leave that out. You should also take notice that since Madara has mastery over the Rinnegan, he can absorb and cast techniques at the same time, meaning he should be able to use this through Susano'o for some larger techniques. It also becomes useful at other times though.

Limbo:
You started off by saying Naruto can seal Limbo, but that's nearly impossible unless Madara runs off to give them the time. Using Truth-Seeking Spheres wouldn't work because they can simply be removed and if the duo don't continuously watch over the sealed ones, Madara could release the seal and free them. The Databook also states that Limbo has a maximum of four, so it's very possible that sealing them only works until the return since Madara had four when he got his second Rinnegan.

Avatars:
Madara's Perfect Susano'o is stronger than either's avatars but would probably hinder if facing them both at the same time. This is where Limbo comes in handy. We've been shown that one has the power and speed to knock multiple Tailed Beasts near simultaneously hundreds of feet. Keep in mind that this is before gaining the Six Paths Sage Mode, which would provide even more physical strength. With this, the shadows will have the power to knock around Naruto and Sasuke's avatars if not break them at the same time. If Naruto decides to use clones the same could be said for Madara. If they're on the ground the Wood Style creations can also pose danger.

Six Paths Seals:
This is the hardest part for Naruto and Sasuke. They only get one chance. Limbo almost assures that he can't get caught without having all his shadows sealed. Even then, unlike Madara, Sasuke can't tell the difference between clones, so a finely placed Wood Clone would be their worst nightmare.

Ten-Tails:
Madara isn't Kaguya, he hosts her, meaning that he, like Obito, is able to release the ten-tails and fight along side it while retaining his powers. Naruto and Sasuke literally have nothing that can defeat or counter it and it is several times larger than their avatars. I know what you're thinking. That would make it easier for them to seal it, right? Wrong. Because it is separated from Madara it wouldn't affect him at all, wasting their seals. He could either absorb it back, making the Six Paths Planetary Devastation useless or wait for it to finish and resummon the husk and reabsorb the Tailed Beasts.
Having the 10tails chakra doesn't make a difference, as we've seen Madara's strongest ninjutsu were countered by Naruto and Sasuke with no effort.

And applying the Yin/Yang seals isn't the hardest part because they managed to do it within seconds of their fight, the only reason they failed was because of Limbo and as we saw the clones were easily stopped by Naruto later on.

Madara has no jutsu that Naruto and Sasuke can't counter therefore he loses especially considering the fact he doesn't have the same level of feats as Kaguya that can help him win. His body isn't capable of handling the chakra required o use the RinneSharingan's full power therefore he's restricted to Rinnegan and IT.
 

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Having the 10tails chakra doesn't make a difference, as we've seen Madara's strongest ninjutsu were countered by Naruto and Sasuke with no effort.
All of his techniques are amped up. Madara can also counter any of Naruto and Sasuke's techniques so it doesn't make a difference.

And applying the Yin/Yang seals isn't the hardest part because they managed to do it within seconds of their fight, the only reason they failed was because of Limbo and as we saw the clones were easily stopped by Naruto later on.
They tried using a weaker seal that may not have even worked. If they had used the Six Paths seals they would have immediately lost because they can only be used once.

Madara has no jutsu that Naruto and Sasuke can't counter therefore he loses especially considering the fact he doesn't have the same level of feats as Kaguya that can help him win. His body isn't capable of handling the chakra required o use the RinneSharingan's full power therefore he's restricted to Rinnegan and IT.
The same could be said for the duo. Then again I'm assuming you're probably responding with the mindset that Madara can't use Perfect Susano'o, but me, Solo, and bowflex are assuming he can.
 
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Having the 10tails chakra doesn't make a difference, as we've seen Madara's strongest ninjutsu were countered by Naruto and Sasuke with no effort.
if u think CT is his strongest tech just leave the thread.

And applying the Yin/Yang seals isn't the hardest part because they managed to do it within seconds of their fight, the only reason they failed was because of Limbo and as we saw the clones were easily stopped by Naruto later on.
a much weaker version of madara already countered via limbo swap, good luck tagging a full power madara with PS and shinra tensei.

madara has no jutsu that Naruto and Sasuke can't counter therefore he loses especially considering the fact he doesn't have the same level of feats as Kaguya that can help him win. His body isn't capable of handling the chakra required o use the RinneSharingan's full power therefore he's restricted to Rinnegan and IT.
madara show cases two of his techs you have no proof that naruto and sasuke can counter all of his moves. again kaguya is a bad example as we seen her get tagged by sAkura and sexy jutsu. he can always absorb what he can handle, bz made him absorb all the chakra from every single being at once ofcourse his body is not going to handle all that at once.
 

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All of his techniques are amped up. Madara can also counter any of Naruto and Sasuke's techniques so it doesn't make a difference.
Yes but Naruto and Sasuke are two separate minds, they have the advantage of unpredictability especially considering Madara has no knowledge of the Yin/Yang seals

They tried using a weaker seal that may not have even worked. If they had used the Six Paths seals they would have immediately lost because they can only be used once.
They failed because Madara used Limbo but afterwards they had no trouble blocking his ability to swap with Limbo clones which means Madara would no longer be able to prevent himself from being sealed.

The same could be said for the duo. Then again I'm assuming you're probably responding with the mindset that Madara can't use Perfect Susano'o, but me, Solo, and bowflex are assuming he can.
Madara was aware of the threat Naruto and Sasuke posed, if he could use PS he would've used it during their fight but he didn't, and even if he could use it like you suggest he still wouldn't be able to overpower Sasuke's PS combined with Naruto's avatar.

He resorted to spamming giant meteorites and Naruto and Sasuke had no trouble destroying them, there's no other technique he has the can create the same level of destructive feats.

if u think CT is his strongest tech just leave the thread.

What other feats does he have that Naruto and Sasuke can't counter ? Deva Path is the strongest one and if he had stronger jutsu he would've used them first. Limbo is his strongest technique and it got countered with minimal effort.


a much weaker version of madara already countered via limbo swap, good luck tagging a full power madara with PS and shinra tensei.
Wrong, it was still the same version but without the RinneSharingan, and as I said before Madara never had the power to use Kaguya's abilities apart from IT because the amount of chakra it requires would make his body explode. Naruto and Sasuke would easily be able to seal him since he's not on Kaguya's level.


madara show cases two of his techs you have no proof that naruto and sasuke can counter all of his moves. again kaguya is a bad example as we seen her get tagged by sAkura and sexy jutsu. he can always absorb what he can handle, bz made him absorb all the chakra from every single being at once ofcourse his body is not going to handle all that at once.
His strongest techs are Deva and Limbo both of which got countered, there's literally nothing in his arsenal that Naruto and Sasuke can't counter.

If Madara was capable of handling that amount of chakra that BZ forced him to absorb his body wouldn't explode in the first place. The chakra that overwhelmed him was nowhere near what Kaguya used.

It's the same principle with jinchuuriki, if the host can't control the chakra within them the bijuu takes over their body just as Kaguya took over Madara's.
 
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