Controversial opinion about Tobirama and Minato

[VongolaX]

"Fourth your Shuushin is better than mine."

Translation: "Fourth your teleportation is better than mine."

Databook: FTG the space time technique that surpasses ALL SHUUSHIN, by moving at space time speed.

Yata yata yata...Don't blink even for an instant.

Shuushin: Ay, Hanzo, Shishiu, Lee, Gai, kcm naruto, and other base fast characters.

FTG moving at space time speed: Tobirama, Minato, Kaguya, Obito, Rinnegan Sasuke, juubi jinchuuriki's, and Hebi Sasuke for some reason.


Shuushin=/=FTG

 

[ShiroT]

They both did, but Tobirama contributed more to the ninja world as a whole. Helped create the current ninja system, ninja academy, police force, village structure. Of course he also did wrong by ostracizing the Uchiha and edo tensei, but he contributed way more than Minato

that doesnt prove he's smarter. tobirama lived longer in a world with no law. minato lived(shortly) in an already structured village so it was less for him to contribute to other then ending a war and singlehandedly saving the leaf village

 

[Minato namikaze123]

FTG = Instant both r same in haraisin..
Minato's tech. is better..
But in footspeed (shunshin) Minato is superior..
Tobirama stated that..!!!

 

[Darkakatsuki]

So Tobirama saving Minato , Sasuke and Naruto from Obito was sitting back?
Tobirama coming up with the plan to hit Obito with the Rasenshuriken/Amaterasu was sitting back?
Tobirama teleporting Naruto in sm to Obito while Minato was unaware of sm being dangerous was sitting back?
I can keep going. Tobirama was more analytical and is more assertive with his ideas.

He also created the main jutsu Minato uses. Minato may have perfected it, but Tobirama all around is the better ninja

We can't use the Juubi jin Obito fight to make judgements. Minato was having an internal turmoil because he was fighting against one of his prized students. Throughout the battle we see him zoning out and when he isn't he is trying to talk Obito out of it. Tobirama had no such issues and could therefore focus on the task entirely. Like look at the difference from when Minato arrived up to the point he slashed Obito's throat. Everything changed after he realised that the masked man was Obito, he wasn't himself after that at all. Also, fighting alongside his son brought back painful memories of his wife and what they had done to him and that drove him further into turmoil. This is not fanfiction, it was clearly depicted in the manga and he had many flashbacks regarding said issues. Tobirama on the other hand had a clear mind and conscience, he had no emotional connections whatsoever there. Like for instance, check when Minato encountered Madara, there we can see that there's no Naruto or Obito around and he quickly took lead and came up with crazy analysis of Madara's powers and an elaborate and effective counter that incorporated everyone's abilities, including Gai. So no, I disagree that Tobirama is smarter in terms of battle strategy and aptitude. As inventors, hmm....hard to say, Minato invented eight trigrams seal, rasengan and rasenshuriken (yes he did, it was his idea, not Naruto's, just that Naruto had the time to master it thanks to shadow clone training and Minato died before he could implement it) and Tobirama invented FTG and Edo Tensei, better inventions yes, but he lived longer and had more access to knowledge and info (Senju clan). I'd say they're about equal.

 

[spade3dg]

We can't use the Juubi jin Obito fight to make judgements. Minato was having an internal turmoil because he was fighting against one of his prized students. Throughout the battle we see him zoning out and when he isn't he is trying to talk Obito out of it. Tobirama had no such issues and could therefore focus on the task entirely. Like look at the difference from when Minato arrived up to the point he slashed Obito's throat. Everything changed after he realised that the masked man was Obito, he wasn't himself after that at all. Also, fighting alongside his son brought back painful memories of his wife and what they had done to him and that drove him further into turmoil. This is not fanfiction, it was clearly depicted in the manga and he had many flashbacks regarding said issues. Tobirama on the other hand had a clear mind and conscience, he had no emotional connections whatsoever there. Like for instance, check when Minato encountered Madara, there we can see that there's no Naruto or Obito around and he quickly took lead and came up with crazy analysis of Madara's powers and an elaborate and effective counter that incorporated everyone's abilities, including Gai. So no, I disagree that Tobirama is smarter in terms of battle strategy and aptitude. As inventors, hmm....hard to say, Minato invented eight trigrams seal, rasengan and rasenshuriken (yes he did, it was his idea, not Naruto's, just that Naruto had the time to master it thanks to shadow clone training and Minato died before he could implement it) and Tobirama invented FTG and Edo Tensei, better inventions yes, but he lived longer and had more access to knowledge and info (Senju clan). I'd say they're about equal.

You just said Minato invented Rasenshuriken.... wow man. Everything else was agreeable to an extent but no Minato didnt invent it. He never got around to it. He didnt perfect rasengan. Naruto did. Minatos only invented tech was rasengan.

Tobirama came up with plenty of effective battle strategies. He also killed Izuna Uchiha who was said to be as strong as Madara.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Considering FTG is always instant like evefy ST tech, the only thing that can have degrees of speed is normal shunshin. For Hiruzen to commend Minato's speed and not the speed of his technique, it shows that he was referring to Minato moving and travelling with them and getting therr first simply because he was faster. FTG has no degrees of speed. Instant is instant.

 

[cyan2cool]

i wonder if naruto learned FTG justsu

 

[Gold Lightning]

So Tobirama saving Minato , Sasuke and Naruto from Obito was sitting back?
Tobirama coming up with the plan to hit Obito with the Rasenshuriken/Amaterasu was sitting back?
Tobirama teleporting Naruto in sm to Obito while Minato was unaware of sm being dangerous was sitting back?
I can keep going. Tobirama was more analytical and is more assertive with his ideas.

He also created the main jutsu Minato uses. Minato may have perfected it, but Tobirama all around is the better ninja

You're being unfair in Minatos case. Minato only stated having issues when he realised Obito his student caused all this chaos, it was an emotional fight for him, not really fair to judge. Same happened to Kaakshi and Hiruzen.

Tobirama didnt come up with the Rasen AMA combo. Minato had his own plan, but Sasuke didn't listen and charged in. So Tobirama suggested another way, that's all.

Tobirama lived almost 20 years longer than minato did. Trying to compare accomplishments like that is pointless. Minato made more saves in the war and contributed the most on the battle filed. I too can list all the things minato did, even after ttobirama was put down by Madara, minato was still doing something.

You said Tobirama can teleport without touching people or something like that, what do you mean. Minato is faster, it's manga fact. Tobiramas FTG is less versatile, everyone knows that. Just cuz minato had a few emotional issues doesmt make him less intelligent, it just meant that Tobirama was more focused than him. Or am I lying? People forget the most of the praising was coming from Tobirama and even asking minato for what to do at one point and even using Minatos FTG link.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

You just said Minato invented Rasenshuriken.... wow man. Everything else was agreeable to an extent but no Minato didnt invent it. He never got around to it. He didnt perfect rasengan. Naruto did. Minatos only invented tech was rasengan.

Tobirama came up with plenty of effective battle strategies. He also killed Izuna Uchiha who was said to be as strong as Madara.

So who invented it then? Did Naruto come up with the idea or did Kakashi tell him Minato's idea to add nature element to rasengan? No he didn't, only reason he knew to do it is cause Kakashi told him about MINATO's idea and plan for rasengan. Even when we talk about application, shadow clone training was Kakashi's idea, not Naruto's. Let me give you an example. Lets say I come up with an idea for time machine. I draw up the sketches and designs (idea) and I start building it (rasengan). Then I die before I finish building it and you find my sketches and the unfinished product, and someone gives you my notes (kakashi telling Minato's plan to Naruto) and another gives you the funds to complete the project (Kakashi's shadow clone training idea), does that make you the inventor of that machine or just the guy who built it? Better example, I'm an architect and I design a bridge, and you are the contractor who's company builds it, does that make you the inventor of the state of the art bridge?