Controlling a perfect jinchuriki with Sharingan/MS/EMS

[Meowazziel]

As the title says.
I read quite some times, how people seem to believe you can control a Perfect Jinchuriki with Sharingan,
but really, you cant.

Perfect Jinchuriki:
One who can control the power of his Bijou, without losing himself
AND who has befriended the Bijou.
The last part is essential, because it grants cooporation between Bijou and Host.
When one of the two is in trouble, the other can help out.
That is what a Perfect Jinchuriki is all about.

The only Perfect Jincs are Naruto and Bee.
They have both befriended their Bijou.

Hosts who can control the power of a Bijou.
There are others who can control the power of Bijou, but they are not Perfect Jincs, for the simple reason, that they are not friends with the Bijou. There is no cooporation.

Naruto was among these, when he could control the power of Kurama and use it, but had not befriended Kurama yet.
Gaara was able to turn into full Shukaku, without losing himself, but he wasnt friends with his Bijou. If Gaara would fall asleep, Shukaku would take over. They lacked cooporation. They fought for control.
Yagura is among them as well.
When the people that could control the beasts were named by Obito at the Kage summit, 2 Jincs were mentioned.
Yagura and Bee. However, Bee was mentioned as the only Perfect Jinc.

If it was so easy to control a Perfect Jinchuriki or its Bijou, than It would have already happened, however it has not happened.
Obito has MS + Senju DNA + Rinnegan. However, he hasnt controlled Bee and hasnt controlled Naruto.
The best he could do was suppress Gyuki the 8 tails his power, with a bucket load of giant stakes, linked to the Rinnegan, fired from the kamui dimension.
Sasuke tried MS control on Bee, Gyuki broke it and Bee blew a hole in Sasuke his chest with Lariat.

What is possible?
It however, is possible to control Bijou without host, with Sharingan.
It is possible to control Bijou who have a host, who do not cooporate with each other.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Yagura was said to be able to perfectly control the biju and yet he was controlled by Obito/Tobi.

Maybe Yagura became a jinchurriki AFTER Obito took control of him.

 

[gameove]

i new it but nice brakedown

 

[Meowazziel]

Yagura was said to be able to perfectly control the biju and yet he was controlled by Obito/Tobi.
Maybe Yagura became a jinchurriki AFTER Obito took control of him.

He was mentioned among people who could control bijou and later Obito mentioned how Bee is extra special, because he is a Perfect Jinchuriki.
Once Bee and Naruto trained, Gyuki explains how Naruto has gained control over Kurama, but that it is not perfect yet, because they dont cooporate with each other, they are not friends yet.
So i conclude that Yagura is not a perfect jinc (i might get proven wrong in the future, but until than i think the manga provides enough evidence, for Yagura not being a perfect jinc).

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I did what your saying. Yagura could contol 3 tails, but it wasn't perfect control?

 

[Direcorpse]

It could be possible to suppress the bijuu inside the jinchuuriki, seeing as Sasuke suppressed Kurama inside Naruto once.
However as stated, the bijuu cannot be controlled.

First, it's linked with the Jinchuuriki. Meaning it has a seal to stay inside the Jinchuuriki. Even if it's a perfect pair, the seal is still there.
Second, The Jinchuuriki could always disturb chakra flow.

Plus, for a bijuu to take form, the bijuu first needs to take over the host.
Even then, it's uncertain if it could be controlled by Sharingan/MS/EMS because it's never been shown to have accomplished(of course if the Bijuu FULLY takes over then that's a certain control for the Uchiha).

I really don't get how people not have the common sense and reasonable argument to disagree to that.

 

[Meowazziel]

I did what your saying. Yagura could contol 3 tails, but it wasn't perfect control?

Exactly.
I believe he was around the stage naruto was at, when naruto looked like:

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There was no friendship yet between Kurama and Naruto, but Naruto could control the power.
It was probably the same between Isobu and Yagura.

 

[Invsblphntm]

There was a giant ass MIGHT when they said Yagura could control the Three Tails.

It will be probably explained soon.

 

[3MESSIAH]

this is true