Connection between techniques of sharingan and rinnegan

[~Yubel~]

This thread is to point out the connection of techniques between sharingan and rinnegan and then say what that means for the future ultimately, what it means in the sasuke vs naruto fight.

Sharingan: It can see chakra, predict movements and copy techniques as long as it´s not kekkei genkai.

Rinnegan: It can see chakra, allows you to master all elements and every technique as long as it´s not kekkei genkai but it can´t copy right away(atleast i don´t think it can).

Abilities of rinnegan, specifically one of the abilities of the rinnegan is hell realm.

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You see those flames? That is amaterasu right there and i´ll tell you why in the words of Zetsu.

Amaterasu: Jet-black flames said to be the fires from hell that are as hot as the sun.

*Note the bolded part*

Another thing that back my statement is the recent connection we´ve found between sharingan and rinnegan, that they are stages, not separate dojutsu.

This makes my statement 100% irrefutable fact and the anime painted the color of the flames around the beast/man/monster purple because they weren´t aware of what would happen in later manga, they are screwed up anyway so i don´t care about the animators.

Here is another technique and it´s susanoo, we really don´t know anything about susanoo other then that it´s a spirit that drain your lifespan while fighting for you.

Susanoo: A gigantic humanoid being that surrounds the user. It´s the user's guardian deity, but at the same time, it consumes the user's life.

We usually only see half the body of susanoo but in the latest chapter, we saw its whole body with legs and for some reason, i found it extremely familiar to a technique of the rinnegan.

That technique being gedo mazo, let´s look at what the technique is.

Gedo mazo: A giant statue that can seal away large amounts of chakra(tailed beasts) and can also release giant dragon-like forms of energy which rips out a persons soul on contact but must have contact with the user while draining the life out of them.

*Note the bolded part*

Just like Gedo mazo, susanoo drains away life from the user(not to the same extent), just like gedo mazo it only reveal half its body and just like gedo mazo, it does infact have legs which it can use to move itself.


Also, we know that susanoo don´t need to surround the user and that it can infact move itself with the user outside of it, controlling it.

Just look at how it´s jumping to that huge pillar.

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And look how gedo mazo is charging.

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I really think that susanoo maybe the spirit of gedo mazo and that it won´t be a statue anymore after fusing.¨

Maybe in the future sasuke will do a giant susanoo with legs and then fuse it with GM.

That beast with amaterasu flame maybe the ruler of hell or something because it can both judge and bring back life.

What i´m saying is that sasuke is far from reaching his full potential when he get the rinnegan, nuff ****ing said!!!

 

[-S-]

i thought gezo mado was just something that grew from a giant lotus flower - no?

 

[Joon]

IDK, it's possible that the Rinnegan/Sharingan connection is the same, but with little actual proof of the Sharingan evolving into Rinnegan, I can't really say much. Also, I think Tobi is building Sasuke up to reach Sasuke's full potential of controlling Rinnegan on par with Nagato or pass that extent. +Reps though.

 

[Dratasy]

Not sure I get the point of this thread, there is nothing stated that Sasuke will achieve the Rinnegan.

 

[Ambriel]

The only connection is that the Sharingan evolves into the Rinnegan

 

[OWanime]

nice theory even though I've seen it before I hope we get to see greater connections from kishi xd

 

[~Yubel~]

IDK, it's possible that they connection is the same, but with little actual proof of the Sharingan evolving into Rinnegan, I can't really say much. Also, I think Tobi is building Sasuke up to reach Sasuke's full potential of controlling Rinnegan on par with Nagato or pass that extent.

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Not sure I get the point of this thread, there is nothing stated that Sasuke will achieve the Rinnegan.

Are you up to date with the manga? If so then you should know or atleast see the future a little bit with sasuke achieving rinnegan.
This thread was to explain the connection between techniques like how amaterasu use the black flames but how they are some type of portal for that thing to come out and judge people when you have the rinnegan.

That was the point, also to make you guys connect the dots on your own.

Kishi showed bee being a perfect jinchuriki and naruto eventually became one, he now showed madara with rinnegan and it´s highly likely that sasuke will eventually gain the rinnegan.
He wouldn´t show it off with madara if it wasn´t possible for sasuke to achieve it!

Sasuke has recently gotten to the lvl only known to madara only other uchiha to reach ems so if madara got rinnegan then you can be sure that kishi is gonna do the same with sasuke, he will reach his full uchiha potential.

 

[~Yubel~]

The only connection is that the Sharingan evolves into the Rinnegan

Correction: The only connection revealed in the manga so far.

 

[Revan]

to some extend i can imagine the rinnegan-techniques being developments from the sharingan techniques.

the problem with susano'o->gedo mazo is that there is currently one gedo mazo and like three susano'os running around. what sense would it make if susano'o develops into a jutsu that absorbs energy of unique beings if they are almost all absorbed already?

apart from that i'm not sure how the rinnegan works. i currently think that the rinnegan creates the seven paths and the user can kinda develop jutsus on their basics, and possibly can mix the paths together. e.g. gedo mazo seems like a mixture of the summoning and soul-sucking paths.
madara seems to use exclusively the gravity (deva) path so far, ironically also calling it the power of a god.

currently i think that the only rinnegan that continues to appear is originally madaras, afterwards is implanted in nagato and after his death taken by tobi. oddly techniques like shinra tensei seem to be used by all the three, while the huge meteor is so far only utilized by madara and chibaku tensei was only shown by nagato.

 

[Dratasy]

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Are you up to date with the manga? If so then you should know or atleast see the future a little bit with sasuke achieving rinnegan.
This thread was to explain the connection between techniques like how amaterasu use the black flames but how they are some type of portal for that thing to come out and judge people when you have the rinnegan.

That was the point, also to make you guys connect the dots on your own.

Kishi showed bee being a perfect jinchuriki and naruto eventually became one, he now showed madara with rinnegan and it´s highly likely that sasuke will eventually gain the rinnegan.
He wouldn´t show it off with madara if it wasn´t possible for sasuke to achieve it!

Sasuke has recently gotten to the lvl only known to madara only other uchiha to reach ems so if madara got rinnegan then you can be sure that kishi is gonna do the same with sasuke, he will reach his full uchiha potential.

Bee wasn't the only perfect jinchuriki, so it was pretty reasonable Naruto could reach it, where as with EMS you just need to take someones eyes, it's not really hard to see coming since Sasuke has a brother (Itachi), as for the Rinnegan, it's not going to be easy considering Madara only unlocked his right as he was about to die, if Sasuke unlocks Rinnegan the same way Madara had to unlock his, it's not going to make much difference since he'll be on the brink of death, which is why I said there is nothing pointing to Sasuke actually unlocking this unless Kishi wants to randomly add that in before Sasuke dies.

We can't jump to conclusions that Sasuke is going to unlock the Rinnegan until we know more about unlocking it, otherwise we can just jump to the conclusion that Naruto is going to beat Sasuke bad enough that he unlocks it, then dies.

Point being: Perfect Jinchuriki has been done by multiple people, not just Bee. EMS is easy to get if you have a sibling, Madara and Sasuke both were lucky. Rinnegan is not easy to get, so you can't just assume it's going to happen as easy as EMS did.

 

[~Yubel~]

to some extend i can imagine the rinnegan-techniques being developments from the sharingan techniques.

the problem with susano'o->gedo mazo is that there is currently one gedo mazo and like three susano'os running around. what sense would it make if susano'o develops into a jutsu that absorbs energy of unique beings if they are almost all absorbed already?

apart from that i'm not sure how the rinnegan works. i currently think that the rinnegan creates the seven paths and the user can kinda develop jutsus on their basics, and possibly can mix the paths together. e.g. gedo mazo seems like a mixture of the summoning and soul-sucking paths.
madara seems to use exclusively the gravity (deva) path so far, ironically also calling it the power of a god.

currently i think that the only rinnegan that continues to appear is originally madaras, afterwards is implanted in nagato and after his death taken by tobi. oddly techniques like shinra tensei seem to be used by all the three, while the huge meteor is so far only utilized by madara and chibaku tensei was only shown by nagato.

True shit! Yeah, it´s quite obvious that madara died, tobi took his eyes and gave them to nagato so once nagato died, he took them for himself.
That explains the "i gave him the rinnegan" statement".

 

[~Yubel~]

Bee wasn't the only perfect jinchuriki, so it was pretty reasonable Naruto could reach it, where as with EMS you just need to take someones eyes, it's not really hard to see coming since Sasuke has a brother (Itachi), as for the Rinnegan, it's not going to be easy considering Madara only unlocked his right as he was about to die, if Sasuke unlocks Rinnegan the same way Madara had to unlock his, it's not going to make much difference since he'll be on the brink of death, which is why I said there is nothing pointing to Sasuke actually unlocking this unless Kishi wants to randomly add that in before Sasuke dies.

We can't jump to conclusions that Sasuke is going to unlock the Rinnegan until we know more about unlocking it, otherwise we can just jump to the conclusion that Naruto is going to beat Sasuke bad enough that he unlocks it, then dies.

Point being: Perfect Jinchuriki has been done by multiple people, not just Bee. EMS is easy to get if you have a sibling, Madara and Sasuke both were lucky. Rinnegan is not easy to get, so you can't just assume it's going to happen as easy as EMS did.

I never said it was going to be easy but we still don´t know of the actual condition to unlock the rinnegan, madara only said he unlocked it as he was nearing the end of his life so maybe you need to get beaten down to a point where you are near-death and then unlock it but you never know.

Ems is easy to get yes(if we put the mental part to the side) but you never know with rinnegan, sasuke may unlock it mid-fight and trust me, just like how naruto is the only special jinchuriki, since when could 1 jinchuriki in bijuu mode take on 5 bijuus?
Trust me, sasuke is gonna take it to rinnegan to another lvl!

He´ll far surpass madara,nagato and tobi in his use of it.

 

[Dratasy]

I never said it was going to be easy but we still don´t know of the actual condition to unlock the rinnegan, madara only said he unlocked it as he was nearing the end of his life so maybe you need to get beaten down to a point where you are near-death and then unlock it but you never know.

Ems is easy to get yes(if we put the mental part to the side) but you never know with rinnegan, sasuke may unlock it mid-fight and trust me, just like how naruto is the only special jinchuriki, since when could 1 jinchuriki in bijuu mode take on 5 bijuus?
Trust me, sasuke is gonna take it to rinnegan to another lvl!

He´ll far surpass madara,nagato and tobi in his use of it.

Yeah but even still the only reason Naruto could even tame Kurama was due to help, otherwise he'd have lost the battle, even still that was meant to happen to show just how strong Kurama is, however yes I do agree that Sasuke may and probably will unlock the Rinnegan since he needs it to even keep up with Naruto's power at this point, however I disagree that he will master it beyond Nagato's ability with it considering Nagato has had it since he was a child, there is no way Sasuke could pass that level if skill in the Rinnegan within just one fight, but yes he will be good with it for the most part if he does unlock it, which he'll have to if he plans to fight Naruto on equal terms.

 

[Sethic]

I'm starting to think that the swirly eye's the older brother had is the last level of the sharingan. I think its something like a one time use kinda thing, kinda like Shisui's eye, once every ten years or with life engery you can use it again. Life energy allow you to use it more then once and finishes off the Rinnegan. That would explain using Nagato and the firsts dna.

 

[~Yubel~]

I'm starting to think that the swirly eye's the older brother had is the last level of the sharingan. I think its something like a one time use kinda thing, kinda like Shisui's eye, once every ten years or with life engery you can use it again. Life energy allow you to use it more then once and finishes off the Rinnegan. That would explain using Nagato and the firsts dna.

That swirly dojutsu come from the rinnegan which means that rinnegan is stronger.

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Interestig.

 

[~Yubel~]

Interestig.

Indeedit it is.U_U