[Theory] Connection between Hashirama, White and Black Zetsu : The Shinju

[Sentinel]

I think it was shown in the anime. But if by just combining Water and Earth; you can create wood; then everybody should be able to use it. Even if you take the Life Force argument; why weren't the Senjus and Uzumakis not able to use it ?

All I can say to this is that hashirama had exeptional life force even among the senju, so even though the senju and uzumaki were known for having this large lifeforce I guess it requires a lot of it.

And that's what is weird. Why does Hashirama have so much life force ? I would say there is a connection to the Shinju here as the Shinju has tremondous amounts of Lifeforce.

The only connection I can imagine with the Shinju that hashirama does have is that Ashura reincarnated into him. since ashura is a grandson of Kayuga and kayuga had the chakra from the shinju fruit already in her (later combined with the tree to become the ten tails) that's a clear connection and can be a reason for his exceptional lifeforce.

I have wonderd if Hagoromo was capable of preforming wood release, and ashura during his lifetime.

 

[Angelic.]

i only read the conclusion.

zetsu being seeds would be interesting. trees have seeds or something. bz said mokuton was a unique kkg that was composed in her godoudama. that genises dimension absorbs chakra from the IT victims who are connected to the tree. mokuton sure is special.

 

[ROHAN]

i only read the conclusion.

zetsu being seeds would be interesting. trees have seeds or something. bz said mokuton was a unique kkg that was composed in her godoudama. that genises dimension absorbs chakra from the IT victims who are connected to the tree. mokuton sure is special.

Even the *********** version says the same. I am surprised that Black Zetsu would mention all Four Elements; but would leave out Water Element.

 

[Sentinel]

Even the *********** version says the same. I am surprised that Black Zetsu would mention all Four Elements; but would leave out Water Element.

that pannel had to be a mistranslation.

 

[Byron123]

What you say about Black Zetsu planting a seed on Hashirama doesn't make any sense not because of it being impossible but rather because if it was that easy, then why he didn't give it in the first place to madara who was his original pawn for the success of his plan?

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Great thread as always!
you bring a lot of valid points, although my current theory regarding black zetsu is that he somewhat pre-dates kaguya, being the serpent in the myths, however logically speaking our theories can crosspoint and make an even better one imo

say there was only 2 seeds. The white zetsu is the Yang Seed, and Black zetsu is the Yin seed. Naturally the Yin would react with Kaguyas spirit and cause some alterations "BZ". And as in one of th possible scenarios how hashirama got Wood, I stated was through White zetsu's DNA "the original white Zetsu" thus he became the host of the Yang seed, and Naturally the "Yang" would react with Hashirama, since he was born with earth and water for elements, that made him a perfect fit for wood release

Just a few thoughts Lol

 

[ROHAN]

Great thread as always!
you bring a lot of valid points, although my current theory regarding black zetsu is that he somewhat pre-dates kaguya, being the serpent in the myths, however logically speaking our theories can crosspoint and make an even better one imo

say there was only 2 seeds. The white zetsu is the Yang Seed, and Black zetsu is the Yin seed. Naturally the Yin would react with Kaguyas spirit and cause some alterations "BZ". And as in one of th possible scenarios how hashirama got Wood, I stated was through White zetsu's DNA "the original white Zetsu" thus he became the host of the Yang seed, and Naturally the "Yang" would react with Hashirama, since he was born with earth and water for elements, that made him a perfect fit for wood release

Just a few thoughts Lol

It all sounds good; but it would be better if the Serpent is Orochimaru. Black Zetsu seems way too attached to Kaguya for him to betray her.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

It all sounds good; but it would be better if the Serpent is Orochimaru. Black Zetsu seems way too attached to Kaguya for him to betray her.

I have considered that possibility, however given orochimaro derives from the yamato no oroch serpent, theres some doubt to whether he would also be portrayed as the serpent of evil.
I would have prefered it though I guess

Here again we go with another one of your own interpretation of the series. Again, you are making a twisted interpretation of manga facts and it is ironical because of the following two reasons:

1. When BZ says something in the manga, you say it is not true. For example, he said how Madara unlocked Rinnegan and how he changed the tablet, but you said it was rather Izuna along with Sobobjo theory.

2. When you need a theory, you make up another fanfiction in which the BZ you said was a liar because someone who does the core of your new theory. For example, in this thread, you are making BZ give hashirama a seed of Shinju, when in the manga there have been no mention of such seed.​

Now, on your facts:

(a) Wood jutsu is a jutsu, and it does not mean that hashirama's body is made of wood. See, it simply mean that by using his two chakra nature (earth and water), hashirama can produce wood just as by manipulating their chakra, Sasuke and kakashi can produce lightning. This does not mean that Kakashi and Sasuke have received some storm gene in their body. The reason hashirama is the only one who had wood is because he is Ashura's reincarnation and therefore he has a huge amount of life force. This leads us to the next point.

(b) The reason zetsus turn into plants is that they are made of wood material cultivated from hashirama's cells. It was even said in the manga that they are plants. Thus, Naruto in KM having a tremendous life energy flowing from him can make these plant grow into trees. This was even shown with the Mokuton made by Yamato. So, it is not because of Shinju that Hashirama get Wood Jutsus. The key factor here is life force and humans have it and some have it abundantly.

Try to be a little less blunt about your opinions in the future bro, it sounds like youre quarreling rather than debating.

 

[ROHAN]

I have considered that possibility, however given orochimaro derives from the yamato no oroch serpent, theres some doubt to whether he would also be portrayed as the serpent of evil.
I would have prefered it though I guess

Did you read Rabbit Teth's Threads ? He actually gave a lot of evidence that the Serpent is Orochimaru.

 

[CrowNoJutsu]

Here again we go with another one of your own interpretation of the series. Again, you are making a twisted interpretation of manga facts and it is ironical because of the following two reasons:

1. When BZ says something in the manga, you say it is not true. For example, he said how Madara unlocked Rinnegan and how he changed the tablet, but you said it was rather Izuna along with Sobobjo theory.

2. When you need a theory, you make up another fanfiction in which the BZ you said was a liar because someone who does the core of your new theory. For example, in this thread, you are making BZ give hashirama a seed of Shinju, when in the manga there have been no mention of such seed.​

Now, on your facts:

(a) Wood jutsu is a jutsu, and it does not mean that hashirama's body is made of wood. See, it simply mean that by using his two chakra nature (earth and water), hashirama can produce wood just as by manipulating their chakra, Sasuke and kakashi can produce lightning. This does not mean that Kakashi and Sasuke have received some storm gene in their body. The reason hashirama is the only one who had wood is because he is Ashura's reincarnation and therefore he has a huge amount of life force. This leads us to the next point.

(b) The reason zetsus turn into plants is that they are made of wood material cultivated from hashirama's cells. It was even said in the manga that they are plants. Thus, Naruto in KM having a tremendous life energy flowing from him can make these plant grow into trees. This was even shown with the Mokuton made by Yamato. So, it is not because of Shinju that Hashirama get Wood Jutsus. The key factor here is life force and humans have it and some have it abundantly.

I'm guessing that wood release requires more then just combining water and earth release. and you speak of mud, but I can't remember a time in the manga that mud was used as a combination of earth and water release.

wood, or tree's are living things, so I guess that using wood release you also have to be able to infuse life into the chakra. and as hashirama's dna appeared to have a huge lifeforce I guess that makes him uniquely suited to use wood release.
also I saw similarity's with the SO6P's creation of all things, this requires yang chakra to breathe life into whatever was created with yin chakra.
and the half of kurama that was initialy sealed within naruto was the yang part, when it was active the wood reacted to it.

so possibly for creating wood release you need, water, earth and yang release, OR water, earth and huge vitality (wich is the basis of yang release together with phisical energy).

hashirama's dna certainly has this vitality, since a part of it that was bitten of from him was used to create the huge tree and 100.000 white zetsu's, and it even created a near complete image of the first on that tree. also when danzo was weakend he could not hold it back anymore. I guess that is why it was very desired.

These guys make more sense to me than this thread does.

 

[Zol]

We know for a fact that all Zetsus other than BZ are victims of the original IT, meaning, transformed humans.The whole story about Madara creating them from Hashirama's cells was revealed as just a misconception by Madara.

 

[ROHAN]

We know for a fact that all Zetsus other than BZ are victims of the original IT, meaning, transformed humans.The whole story about Madara creating them from Hashirama's cells was revealed as just a misconception by Madara.

All Zetsus were created by the Shinju under Infinite Tskyumoni. Hashirama's Wood Release DNA acts as a catalyst in the formation of White Zetsus which hints at a connection between Hashirama's Wood Release and the Shinju.

Here the word is "Catalyst"; which means Hashirama's DNA speeds up the process of the formation of White Zetsus.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

All Zetsus were created by the Shinju under Infinite Tskyumoni. Hashirama's Wood Release DNA acts as a catalyst in the formation of White Zetsus which hints at a connection between Hashirama's Wood Release and the Shinju.

Here the word is "Catalyst"; which means Hashirama's DNA speeds up the process of the formation of White Zetsus.

which further proves my theory about it containing much life energy
as it is the same thing that creates white zetsus

 

[KingHashirama]

Disagree on the Black Zetsu giving Wood release to Hashirama.


Wood release is nothing more than how Rikudou got a rinnegan... or how the Kaguya clan got the bones. Furthermore, Hashirama's sage mode also seems to relate to his mokuton. And not only that, you can't really put "Seeds" of mokuton inside someone.. you have to experiment on them and so on.