Confirmed Obito has PS

[ShiroT]

Scan saying Sasuke's eyes were taken out? I'll wait for your response before I continue.

im not wasting my time with you. do you think obito metaphorically put itachi's eyes in him? that he had metaphorical operation?

and that when madara plucked out izuna's eyes it was a metaphorical pluck right LMAO

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[AGoodBoy]

im not wasting my time with you. do you think obito metaphorically put itachi's eyes in him? that he had metaphorical operation?

and that when madara plucked out izuna's eyes it was a metaphorical pluck right LMAO

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You either said Sasuke's eyes were taken out, or you worded it so badly that it implied sasuke's eyes were taken out. So your scan is irrelevant.

Buut that still doesn't answer your bias. "It's obito's ability because he's using obito's eye", "It's sasuke's ability because he's using itachi's eye".

 

[Trollasaur]

Nope, It's Kakashi's PS. Until obito uses PS he doesn't have PS.

Unless, we're saying Itachi has PS also since Sasuke's using his eyes Lol

Well Obito had susano'o, thats for sure.

 

[Captain Incognito]

@ the Scar argument, wait until we get a look at Kakashis Susanoo from all sides, I'm sure we'll see the "scar" on the other side of the face too.

 

[ShiroT]

You either said Sasuke's eyes were taken out, or you worded it so badly that it implied sasuke's eyes were taken out. So your scan is irrelevant.

Buut that still doesn't answer your bias. "It's obito's ability because he's using obito's eye", "It's sasuke's ability because he's using itachi's eye".

what are you blind? yes his eyes were taken out. to transplant someone's eyes into yourslef your eyes must be taken out to make room for the new pair. do you think itachi's eyes were put in with sasuke's eyes still in his head:|

itachi's eyes became a ems meaning its not itachi's ms anymore. just like izuna's ms became ems meaning its not izuna's ms anymore.

again when danzo used ka, is that not shishui's power?
when kakash used kamui snipe was that not obito's power?

answer the question

 

[xxSAGExx]

But using that logic All of Sasuke's EMS feats would also have been Itachi's... Sasuke even said he felt Itachi's chakra when he had EMS.

Nope, EMS is the combination of both Sasuke's MS and Itachi's MS and that's why it takes on the shape of their combined MS so he felt Itachi's power as he was getting EMS. EMS itself is a new doujutsu which was awaked by both eyes but is used by Sasuke.

No, but i dont think Obito can use it by himself

Yes he can, it's his eyes. Kakashi is not an Uchiha and it's stateds by Itachi that Kakashi can't use the Sharingan as well as a true Uchiha so if Kakashi can use it then it's because Obito already unlocked it when he had both eyes. He wouldn't use it because he needed to focus his chakra on using Kamui to save Sasuke.

Not all, MS Users can use Susanoo, so we dont know if Obito could

Incorrect, Sasuke said anyone who uses double MS can use Susanoo, he stated this in the Kage Summit

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Nope, It's Kakashi's PS. Until obito uses PS he doesn't have PS.

Unless, we're saying Itachi has PS also since Sasuke's using his eyes Lol

Obito unlocked it when he had both MS, he just didn't use it due to needing to focus on Kamui to save Sasuke. I don't know about PS but he would have Susanoo since Sasuke said only thought with double MS can use it

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. It could be that having Hashirama's DNA leveled up his MS powers to EMS level since Madara's EMS leveled up to the Rinnegan and I know it's because he and Hashirama were incarnations but Hashirama's DNA could have powered up Obito's Sharingan to EMS level seeing how he spammed the hell out of his Kamui much more than Kakashi who recently was going blind in his eye and Obito have the power to summon and control the Gedo Mezo which is a Rinnegan feat.

Kakashi is not a Uchiha and is stated to not be able to use the Sharingan as well as a true Uchiha so he wouldn't be able to unlock PS but Obito who has both Senju/Uchiha DNA and was recently the Juubi Jin could have.

The way I see it is that Obito's eyes are like keys. Kakashi unlocked PS with Obito's Eyes, but its impossible to know if Obito could have done it as well.

Obito have them both first so he would have unlocked it when he had it. Sasuke said double MS can use Susanoo

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. Obito has Hashirama's DNA and was the Juubi jin so it's more possible that he unlocked the PS than a non-Uchiha who is stated to not be able to use the Sharingan to it's full potential as a true Uchiha could. BZ obviously have some sort of powers and was attached to Obito when he had both MS so Obito could have unlocked his PS from being attached to BZ, from being Juubi jin and taking some of Juubidara's Sage chakra which might have remained in him when he got both MS, or Hashirama's DNA powering up his MS to unlock PS.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Well Obito had susano'o, thats for sure.

based on which scan?

what are you blind? yes his eyes were taken out. to transplant someone's eyes into yourslef your eyes must be taken out to make room for the new pair. do you think itachi's eyes were put in with sasuke's eyes still in his head:|

itachi's eyes became a ems meaning its not itachi's ms anymore. just like izuna's ms became ems meaning its not izuna's ms anymore.

again when danzo used ka, is that not shishui's power?
when kakash used kamui snipe was that not obito's power?

answer the question

Kakashi just got an ms from a corpse, but now you're trying to ask me about transplant Logic? Rofl are you kidding me?

It's still itachi's eyes or are you daft? Itachi's power, as stated by sasuke himself, poured into sasuke's body. The same way

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. Danzo, and Kakashi, didn't have uchiha chakra to transform the eyes further they only had normal eyes. What do you get if you super impose a picture onto a blank canvas(normal eyes)? You get a picture. What happens if you super impose a picture(an MS) onto a picture(another MS)? You get overlapping images if the pictures blend right - IE if two MS hosts are compatible you get EMS hence why many tried the transplant yet failed. It's itachi's eye, it just never loses it's light now.

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are you going to continue denying manga scans, logic and facts(like kishimoto) to feeds your bias?

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As to your questions. When Danzo used KA, it's shishui's power and ability because shishui is the one who unlocked and mastered it.
When kakashi uses kamui, it's obito's MS ability but kakashi's power because guess what? Kakashi unlocked the MS from a 2 tomoe, then trained, developed and mastered the ability.

 

[ShiroT]

based on which scan?


Kakashi just got an ms from a corpse, but now you're trying to ask me about transplant Logic? Rofl are you kidding me?

It's still itachi's eyes or are you daft? Itachi's power, as stated by sasuke himself, poured into sasuke's body. The same way

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. Danzo, and Kakashi, didn't have uchiha chakra to transform the eyes further they only had normal eyes. What do you get if you super impose a picture onto a blank canvas(normal eyes)? You get a picture. What happens if you super impose a picture(an MS) onto a picture(another MS)? You get overlapping images if the pictures blend right - IE if two MS hosts are compatible you get EMS hence why many tried the transplant yet failed. It's itachi's eye, it just never loses it's light now.

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are you going to continue denying manga scans, logic and facts(like kishimoto) to feeds your bias?

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As to your questions. When Danzo used KA, it's shishui's power and ability because shishui is the one who unlocked and mastered it.
When kakashi uses kamui, it's obito's MS ability but kakashi's power because guess what? Kakashi unlocked the MS from a 2 tomoe, then trained, developed and mastered the ability.

kakash didnt unlock ms it was unlocked when obito unlocked because obito unlocked it. kakashi had nothing to do with it lmao. they even showed it in obito's flash back! kakashi passed out and never realised he had ms. meaning kakashi had ms his whole life and if you believe that sasuke was using itachi's power then you pretty much agree that obito has ps

please tell me what facts im denying. anyway if you think sasuke and madara and using someone else power then fine by you. my point was that ems is not the owners power. if it was itachi's power, and itachi has susanno with god weapons, then sasuke would have them. sasuke would also have tsukayomi. showing that once it turns to ems it doesnt have the original owners power.

 

[AGoodBoy]

kakash didnt unlock ms it was unlocked when obito unlocked because obito unlocked it. kakashi had nothing to do with it lmao. they even showed it in obito's flash back! kakashi passed out and never realised he had ms. meaning kakashi had ms his whole life and you if you believe that sasuke was using itachi's power then you pretty much agree that obito has ps

please tell me what facts im denying. anyway if you think sasuke and madara and using someone else power then fine by you. my point was that ems is not the owners power. if it was itachi's power, and itachi has susanno with god weapons, then sasuke would have them. sasuke would also have tsukayomi. showing that once it turns to ems it doesnt have the original owners power.

I don't really care to agree if Obito has PS.
It's you who has to realize you're agreeing that Itachi has Enton and PS seeing as;
a) Itachi's the one who gave sasuke his Amaterasu
b) Itachi had the highest leveled susano'o equipped with rare spirit weapons.

You're denying the fact that Sasuke's eyes are Itachi's. :| hence, his power is itachi. :| Therefore, your argument that "Kakashi's Ps is obito because it's obito's eyes" also applies to sasuke and itachi :| I have to explain way too much to you.

@bold: You're just making yourself into a dumbass right now. The spirit weapons have nothing to do with Itachi eyes. They're weapons. Why didn't Sasuke have kusanagi when he absorbed oro and took all his powers? because it's not an ability, it's a sword. :| :| :| :| :|

EDIT: Please show me the scan that says Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi? You do realize that sasuke had to train his Amaterasu and Susano'o before he mastered them, right? Does that mean that *gasp!* he hasn't trained his tsukuyomi to the time-altering level of Itachi yet/he's just not accustomed to using it on that level? It couldn't be... By this logic, he should have a mastered tsukuyomi even though he had to practice his ama and susano'o. *EPIC EYEROLL*

 

[lanakui8]

That's not true.

PS could be a result of combining your chakra with that of 'your brothers'. Sasuke noted that he felt itachi's power flowing into him through his eye, if that's the case, Obito would not have been capable of PS, only Kakashi w/ Obito's eyes and chakra would be capable of such a thing.

 

[ShiroT]

I don't really care to agree if Obito has PS.
It's you who has to realize you're agreeing that Itachi has Enton and PS seeing as;
a) Itachi's the one who gave sasuke his Amaterasu
b) Itachi had the highest leveled susano'o equipped with rare spirit weapons.

You're denying the fact that Sasuke's eyes are Itachi's. :| hence, his power is itachi. :| Therefore, your argument that "Kakashi's Ps is obito because it's obito's eyes" also applies to sasuke and itachi :| I have to explain way too much to you.

@bold: You're just making yourself into a dumbass right now. The spirit weapons have nothing to do with Itachi eyes. They're weapons. Why didn't Sasuke have kusanagi when he absorbed oro and took all his powers? because it's not an ability, it's a sword. :| :| :| :| :|

EDIT: Please show me the scan that says Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi? You do realize that Itachi had to train his Amaterasu and Susano'o right? Does that mean that *gasp!* he hasn't trained his tsukuyomi to the time-altering level of Itachi yet? It couldn't be... By this logic, he should have a mastered tsukuyomi even though he had to practice his ama and susano'o. *EPIC EYEROLL*

i honeslt dont care if itachi has ps and enton. my point was those weapons are apart of susanno and connected to itachi's eyes. sasuke would have access to all of itachi's eye power if he had itachi's power, like tsukayomi but again dont really care. i thought you was joking at first when said itachi had enton.

wait lmao sasuke used enton in his fight with the raikage which is before he got itachi's eyes.

 

[AGoodBoy]

That's not true.

PS could be a result of combining your chakra with that of 'your brothers'. Sasuke noted that he felt itachi's power flowing into him through his eye, if that's the case, Obito would not have been capable of PS, only Kakashi w/ Obito's eyes and chakra would be capable of such a thing.

makes sense seeing as they're so close. OBito never had a real brother anyway so he probably saw kakashi as one. Interesting to know if Kakashi has an EMS right now but it just doesn't have a different design because there's no second MS design for it to overlay onto...

i honeslt dont care if itachi has ps and enton. my point was those weapons are apart of susanno and connected to itachi's eyes. sasuke would have access to all of itachi's eye power if he had itachi's power, like tsukayomi but again dont really care. i thought you was joking at first when said itachi had enton.

wait lmao sasuke used enton in his fight with the raikage which is before he got itachi's eyes.

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They're not a part of anything. Unless Itachi gives you his weapons you will not get them, it doesn't work like that. Hence why neither Kabuto nor sasuke had orochimaru's kusanagi even after they absorbed him. Kusanagi is a part of oro's body itself.
Only on NB was it ever stated that totsuka and yata were susano'o abilities or some garbage like that. Why is this even so hard to fathom?

@bold: Again,

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. Jeez... Obviously sasuke could use enton (and some other of itachi's abilities/all other abilities) before getting itachi's eyes, because itachi already gave him his MS abilities. As far as we know, all Itachi's eyes did was powerup sasuke even more and remove his blindness because again... Itachi already transferred over his abilities. There's a reason

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And I was joking about itachi having enton, but then all these bias responses started coming along about "It's obito's abilities", "It's not itachi's abilities".

 

[ShiroT]

That's not true.

PS could be a result of combining your chakra with that of 'your brothers'. Sasuke noted that he felt itachi's power flowing into him through his eye, if that's the case, Obito would not have been capable of PS, only Kakashi w/ Obito's eyes and chakra would be capable of such a thing.

ashura's brother (forgot his name) had a ps. he is the only one to have a sharingan so no one else with a sharingan could give them his eyes.

 

[lanakui8]

ashura's brother (forgot his name) had a ps. he is the only one to have a sharingan so no one else with a sharingan could give them his eyes.

I doubt the rules of the Uchiha applied to their first ancestor and direct descendant of Hagoromo himself just like I doubt Indra eventually became blind after using his eye powers for so long, or indra even had an MS to begin with.

 

[KamuiGodObito]

Obito secound strongest uchiha.

 

[synkross]

Yeah, I agree.

,but i were arguing if Obito by himself could use PS

Ofcourse Obito can use PS on his own. Kakashi had nothing new to add..he is literally using Obito's MS powers. anything Kakashi shows with MS automatically goes to Obito's arsenal. I thought it was pretty obvious, but seems like ppl can't seem to understrand this simple thing.

 

[ShiroT]

I doubt the rules of the Uchiha applied to their first ancestor and direct descendant of Hagoromo himself just like I doubt Indra eventually became blind after using his eye powers for so long, or indra even had an MS to begin with.

you could be right. im still going to stick to obito having ps Lol

 

[ShiroT]

makes sense seeing as they're so close. OBito never had a real brother anyway so he probably saw kakashi as one. Interesting to know if Kakashi has an EMS right now but it just doesn't have a different design because there's no second MS design for it to overlay onto...




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They're not a part of anything. Unless Itachi gives you his weapons you will not get them, it doesn't work like that. Hence why neither Kabuto nor sasuke had orochimaru's kusanagi even after they absorbed him. Kusanagi is a part of oro's body itself.
Only on NB was it ever stated that totsuka and yata were susano'o abilities or some garbage like that. Why is this even so hard to fathom?

@bold: Again,

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. Jeez... Obviously sasuke could use enton (and some other of itachi's abilities/all other abilities) before getting itachi's eyes, because itachi already gave him his MS abilities. As far as we know, all Itachi's eyes did was powerup sasuke even more and remove his blindness because again... Itachi already transferred over his abilities. There's a reason

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And I was joking about itachi having enton, but then all these bias responses started coming along about "It's obito's abilities", "It's not itachi's abilities".

dude im not saying this again

i thought you was relating sasuke having itachi's power to obito not having ps . .. .because this is a thread about obito having ps and is in no way related to itachi. AGAIN DISREGARD ANYTHING I'VE SAID RELATED TO ITACHI. AGAIN. DISREGARD. IGNORE. I DO NOT CARE.

you caught me off guard :|

 

[lanakui8]

you could be right. im still going to stick to obito having ps Lol

that's cool, and also very possible.

 

[legarcon]

remember obito was running low on chakra that is why he did not use either susanoo or izanagi