Concentric circles (Yin/Yang) and tomoes (curse)

[davidou]

CIRCLES:

concentric circles represents sun/moon , Yin/Yang cooperation.

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More circles means better ability to master Yin and Yang.
Hago had 4 circles on the scan above.
He had 5 circles when the bijuus were babies:

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It looks like Obito was growing a 5th circle.


Juubi jinchurikis have that symbol cause Juubi is an equal mix of Yin and Yang , sun and moon.
Rinnengan have that pattern cause it's a Yin/Yang eye.



TOMOES:

Tomoes or magatamas often represents a sealed soul (of great warriors).
A god of war , Hachiman (8 banners) in shintoism uses tomoes as a weapon.
Before being the god of war he was the god of agriculture.

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8 banners , 8 is important in Naruto , why , I don't know but it is:
Around the Yin/Yang symbol there are 8 "branches" , the rinnengan pattern is made of 8 concentric circles , the Yata mirror on Indra's chest means "8 hand mirror" (mirror=truth):

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Each tomoe could represent the soul of a great warrior pre-Kaguya (there was war before her , there were great human warriors) , soul absorbed by the tree to make its fruit.


Kaguya got 9 tomoes on the 3rd eye and 27+ tomoes on her clothes after eating the fruit.
Nobody have more tomoes than Kaguya.
Juubi jins have 15 tomoes , dark Uchiha can have 12 tomoes (3+9).
Juubi got 9 tomoes in his eye when he was fighting the rikudou brothers , after Kaguya ate the fruit:

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Maybe Juubi got it by "eating" Kaguya , as well as his human form and his horns.
We saw that Kaguya is cursing Juubi in chap 673.

What if tomoes are representing the fact that you are cursed (oro's cursed seal).
Kaguya got cursed by the fruit.
Hago's sons got cursed , they both have tomoes on their clothes , at least 6 each.
Juubi ate her , got cursed.
Ashura's sun broke the curse , that's why it only went on his brother's descendance.
Hago's sun/moon mastery at the end of his life allow him to break the curse , that would explain why his rinnengan has no tomoes , Madara too
Hago didn't find the way to break the curse of hatred on Juubi and Indra


Sharingans have tomoes cause Uchiha's spirit is cursed by the fruit.
Juubi jin have tomoes cause their bodies absorbs a cursed beast , cursed by Kaguya , cursed by the fruit.
Orochimaru's cursed seal is made of three tomoes.



Naruto will do something for Kurama's hatred one day , break that curse.
Sasuke will break Uchiha's curse.

 

[LuckyMan]

Its possible.

 

[Yuse]

Nice find dude

 

[UCE]

nice! very

 

[Ultimateone]

maybe, i never understood the point of all the tomao on the clothing and everything.

 

[davidou]

That's a very old question , what are tomoes representing?
We have seen more and more characters awakening tomoes.
We are close to be revealed the truth.

 

[Rikodou Juubi]

This could be possible nice find!

 

[davidou]

Thanks.
The numbers of tomoes must have a signification , could it represent the quantity of curse you get?

 

[IzBoogz]

Nice find. Hopefully kishi will tackle on this subject and explain to his fans what they mean.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

For the first time, I share some idea with someone talking about these eyes. In one thread, I stated that what Sasuke has is not the Rinnegan as we know. I coined that Sasuke's eye is a cursed eyes and actually the final form of his Mangyeko. My prediction is that he will not reach Rinnegan ability because Sasuke still have hatred in him.

In my opinion, Rinnegan is the eyes that those who have got rid of their hatred and find peace can obtain. As long as you don't get Rid of your hatred, you will not reach the title of sage. In fact, I think Rinnegan has all to do with being sage - Ninshu. In my use of Rinnegan, I mean the one Hagoromo has since I still think Sasuke has an EMS.

I support my argument further by the fact that Kaguya's 3rd eye is the same as Sasuke's and was called Sharingan and associated with Tsukyomi. Interestingly, Sasuke got it in his left eye where his Tsukyomi is. Thus, until Kishi proves me wrong, I think Sasuke has an upgrade EMS and this is consistent with Naruto's statement that he can sense half of Rikudo's power along with Hagoromo's statement - that is only someone with full Hagoromo's power can possess the true Rinnegan.

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Thanks.
The numbers of tomoes must have a signification , could it represent the quantity of curse you get?

Maybe that's why Madara got more tomoes,he's getting corrupted by power

 

[davidou]

Nice find. Hopefully kishi will tackle on this subject and explain to his fans what they mean.

Can't wait!

For the first time, I share some idea with someone talking about these eyes. In one thread, I stated that what Sasuke has is not the Rinnegan as we know. I coined that Sasuke's eye is a cursed eyes and actually the final form of his Mangyeko. My prediction is that he will not reach Rinnegan ability because Sasuke still have hatred in him.

In my opinion, Rinnegan is the eyes that those who have got rid of their hatred and find peace can obtain. As long as you don't get Rid of your hatred, you will not reach the title of sage. In fact, I think Rinnegan has all to do with being sage - Ninshu. In my use of Rinnegan, I mean the one Hagoromo has since I still think Sasuke has an EMS.

I support my argument further by the fact that Kaguya's 3rd eye is the same as Sasuke's and was called Sharingan and associated with Tsukyomi. Interestingly, Sasuke got it in his left eye where his Tsukyomi is. Thus, until Kishi proves me wrong, I think Sasuke has an upgrade EMS and this is consistent with Naruto's statement that he can sense half of Rikudo's power along with Hagoromo's statement - that is only someone with full Hagoromo's power can possess the true Rinnegan.

I'm glad you never shared ideas over those eyes before this thread.
I like being original.

I think you're right concerning ninshuu and purple tomoeless rinnengans.

You can call Sasuke's eye as you want.
Technically it's a EMS++.
Calling it rinnengan doesn't shock me , that would mean that this eye could evolve into a purple tomoeless one.

Maybe that's why Madara got more tomoes,he's getting corrupted by power

It has something to do with that.
Madara have a lot of tomoes , he let himself be corrupted by Kaguya.

 

[davidou]

Naruto has now 5 circles!

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He had 4 in 673.

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His Yin/Yang mastery evolved?
What else could it mean?