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The problem with communism is that in theory everyone is equal BUT the human race is selfish and there is always a natural leader. We can not survive without being ruled. Therefore communism does not work and no country is ever communist because there is alway a leader.

Basically, it means that doctors get paid the same as garbagemen. Who wants to go through 10 years of school to get paid what you can get for no education?

Communists have a history of legislating thought. Thoughts are the last unconquered vestige of human freedom. They steal people's religions from them and murder people almost at random. They have a hatred for well off people that exceeds by far what is deserved. They enslave people and micromanage every area of their lives. Communism is historically amongst the most evil and hateful of philosophies. Most support for it came from the struggling poor who were being used and looked down upon by greedy right wingers. Sometimes the cure is worse than the ill and communism in many cases has proved to be just that. This does not erase the veracity of the downtrodden's complaints against the robber barons of capitalism. Communism has been an overreaction filled with pride and hateful bigotry that has erased many of the revolutionaries higher moral ground they had when they first became angry at the economic inequalities of people. A balanced compassionate moderate approach to social justice is still in order while violent extremism and vise-like government intrusiveness continues to defame leftist thinking. That said, the right certainly has their fair share of fascism through domestic spying and highly selective opportunistic support for civil liberties.


“The Argument”

Money is power. If the government produces all the means for getting money or buying things, then it has all the power. It doesn’t matter what the law says, because that’s just a means of managing power in a society and it only works when there is incentive by those with power to do so–That is, checks and balances. In a society where the government has all the power, it has no incentive to check it’s own power, so the only means of the citizens getting change in their favor is for either their rulers to be benevolent, or outright revolution.

Capitalism allows for power to be distributed and for those checks and balances via laws to work, and it provides the means for regular citizens to gain power by converting it into cultural, symbolic, political or other forms of capital, which can get you more economic capital and so on. Laws and constitutions only work so long as the citizenry has both the means and the will to ensure that power is distributed and those with great power are kept in check, just as the Constitution was intended to do.

There. I just summed up the moral and intellectual argument the GOP should have been making in two paragraphs.

Admittedly, it’s wordier than a campaign slogan should be, but this isn’t a campaign slogan. This is an intellectual argument that anyone can use in a serious debate, that anyone can extrapolate and expand upon. And it’s the same thing we need to introduce everywhere. Our culture is saturated in an anti-capitalistic haze due to years of cultural warfare taking it’s toll. This simple argument can be turned into something far more effective by people much smarter than I am.

Sure, it’s not a call to become a precinct committeeman. It’s not money for a political campaign. It’s not even a sign on a poster at a rally.

But the Left has held dominion over academia for decades and it shows in our culture, and unless we can turn that around people like Obama will keep rising because of an uniformed, apathetic electorate.

So to do that, we must make the argument. The hardcore leftists will scream and try to hide it because they have nothing to use against it, but we MUST have the argument and keep making it until the radical Left is marginalized, out of power, and kept that way.

Edit: Hitler didn't want communism to spread, so doesn't USA (that's way they support North korea,etc)
 

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XD What can we do about it? This thread is bound to turn into an argument.
 

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Thanks for the History Lesson...

Not sure if this is a place to discuss these types of pressing subjects..
 

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Karl Marx didn't even believe in communism
 

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Communism is a failed experiment, really. . .
 

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so naruto base has turned into politics now huh

Thanks for the History Lesson...

Not sure if this is a place to discuss these types of pressing subjects..


General discussion forum, where people discuss serious mateers insead of saying stuff like Itachi> 6 paths sennim, sakura is weak, and other stupid stuff..
 

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communism does have flaws like all political systems but i believe if tweaked can form a new political system that has some likeness to it but it will never happend and democracy in it self has flaws aswell, however to many of the poor communism should be working out better but that is not the case,
 

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communism does have flaws like all political systems but i believe if tweaked can form a new political system that has some likeness to it but it will never happend and democracy in it self has flaws aswell, however to many of the poor communism should be working out better but that is not the case,

finally someone that seems to be intellectual, I agree, between democracy and communism, democracy...

Look at the freedom of people in north korea, china, etc.... And how they are brainwashed to believe that, that is the best...
 

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It's been said before, but communism looks good on paper yet doesn't work in application. Then again, capitalism doesn't work very well either, considering the huge imbalance between rich and poor which exists in basically every society. In short, communism is too balanced (in its purest form) and capitalism isn't balanced enough.
 

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communism in theory - utopia
communism in practice - one party dictatorship

interesting side notes: an anarchist colleague of Karl Marx wrote (after reading the manifesto) that communism in practice would simply produce dictatorships. Lenin's revolution also not a proper communist revolution.
 

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communism in theory - utopia
communism in practice - one party dictatorship

interesting side notes: an anarchist colleague of Karl Marx wrote (after reading the manifesto) that communism in practice would simply produce dictatorships. Lenin's revolution also not a proper communist revolution.

before making this thread, I had to read some stuff abot communism, people that went for and against it, to have a better idea, so I should say I agree with you, as I said here, people lack freedom in china and north korea for example...
 

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In Theory Communism is a good Idea but in practice it is not suitable for society as human race can not keep the Ideals of communism . . . . But strangely ants follow a near communists ideals....
 

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Actually there are so many variations of communism that you are not aware of, so this thread is incomplete.
One couldn't not however expect a complete analysis of communism in NB, hence making a thread about it is inappropriate if you want to seriously talk about this subject.
 

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Communism = Failed system that assumes people are intelligent and act in ways that will help their fellow man.
 

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Works on paper, can't calculate human error.
Once corrupted always corrupted. There is no cycle of rebirth or cleansing like in a republic/democracy. No one is held accountable and those in power stay in power to abuse power.
 

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I personally hate to be ruled by anyone. However human beings (some not all) think that by appointing leaders or representatives they have people who speak for them, but when governments become corrupt their voices are not heard or fall on deaf ears. We must reform world governments. To be honest I can't think of one government system without flaws. Also the whole idea of someone representing another person is absurd (In most but not all situations). I dream of a day where there is no need for governments, they do maintain order but it seems the larger they grow the more conflicts arise between that govt. and other govt. Peace may never be achievable but with the current government systems in place I believe peace is impossible.
 

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I personally hate to be ruled by anyone. However human beings (some not all) think that by appointing leaders or representatives they have people who speak for them, but when governments become corrupt their voices are not heard or fall on deaf ears. We must reform world governments. To be honest I can't think of one government system without flaws. Also the whole idea of someone representing another person is absurd (In most but not all situations). I dream of a day where there is no need for governments, they do maintain order but it seems the larger they grow the more conflicts arise between that govt. and other govt. Peace may never be achievable but with the current government systems in place I believe peace is impossible.

Welcome to why we have the second amendment:

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States"




The second amendment creates security against corrupt government. Should they become corrupt we will already have the tools necessary to reform the United States. We also have a constitution that can be used to reform the United States as well. Only thing we need are some politicians to make the populace rebel.
 
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