[Discussion] Coby will not get the mera mera no mi

[Dr Strangelove]

Who are you talking about exactly?

Not you, dw. Me and you are cool bro
Just because we disagree in something doesn't mean I don't like you.

Yeah, logic hurts. I've seen you post on a few threads, and well.....

wel.....???? you going to leave that hanging?

How does logic hurt? Eh? Im not taking credit, but in rinnemakis theory about Coby it is packed full of logic and evidence.
Something I rarely see you use on threads. Anyway.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Coby ? really ? that loser ?

 

[AlicexX]

wel.....???? you going to leave that hanging?

How does logic hurt? Eh? Im not taking credit, but in rinnemakis theory about Coby it is packed full of logic and evidence.
Something I rarely see you use on threads. Anyway.

I see no need to finish it.

I can't be bothered to post everything here. If you want check his thread that covers his theory in it's entirety. There you will see me tall him that it's a good theory and then state the holes within it in a civil manner. It's one thing for someone to say that they feel that their theory is a good one,ut to say that it has no flaws? That's just arrogant. Especially when it's a theory that does have flaws.

Oddly enough, I think you positively repped me a couple of days ago. I wonder why?

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[xcoyote]

I hope he doesnt get it U_U

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Lel. Looks at sig and declares me a fanboy? When did we have a debate on Ace?

Sig and Avatar.

So because you're a Smoker fanboy means that you can't be a fanboy of any other character? Seems legit.

No I'm simply saying that I'm not a Coby fanboy.

...So me asking a what happens if Garp decides to keep the fruit as a keepsake isn't a valid qestion? Or is it simply the fact that you don't want to admit that your theory is flawed?

You hadn't asked it in a while. I think you know I wasn't referring to that question. My theory isn't flawed; you've proved nothing, get your undeveloped premature ass off this thread.

IIRC they are all circumstantial ways hence your theory being flawed.

A theory is based upon predictions (always circumstantial), does this mean that even the most perfect theories are flawed? My theories have been quite accurate e.g. Ancient Weapons can be organisms, Violet being Rebecca's aunt and meeting DD (she's headed to the Palace right now.... Ironically this theory seems to be correct so far!) and attempting to murder him. I also predicted that Sakazuki would fight Kuzan for the position of FA just before the timeskip. My theories are being more and more consistent. You can't claim that something is flawed because you disagree with it.

There's more to it than that. Is Coby stationed in the NW? Or is this an invalid question as well?

We don't know. But there's a good chance he is since he's an HQ captain and the HQ is in the New World now.

Right... The Marines under Sakazuki's control is going to allow Big Mam's ship to head to Dressrosa. Yet I'm the one bring stubborn. Fujitora has the best KH that we've seen thus far. He'd be able to sense Big Mam's ship regardless. Your point is invalid. Also, even if they don't notice it now, what time to snag the MMnM while a Yonkou ship arrives on Dressrosa? The Marines will have their hands full especially if Big Mam herself is on that ship.

Do you really think Sakazuki (a smart guy) would send forces that stand no chance into a fight? You've proven how stubborn you are. My point is invalid? I think not, just stop refuting something you can't refute successfully. You've dug yourself a deep hole.

Do I really need to link where the Toy Soldier said that Marines are not allowed in the colosseum? No matter how many criminals are in there, so long as Doffy is the king of Dressrosa and a Shichibukai, the Marines can't touch the colosseum. Fact.

Doesn't matter. They would have overwhelming force. Isshou got in so I imagine that with his/Sakazuki's authorization a Marine can enter the Colosseum.

So the fact that he's there... fighting for the fruit and the fact that Oda has "brought him back to life" for this purpose doesn't count? K. But Coby being in no way shape or form relevant to the arc is supported... Seems legit.

Sabo's purpose isn't to simply win the fruit. It's clearly much deeper kid.

These are all characters that were introduced before the main arc fights. There are normally no more characters introduced in OP arcs at this point. That much is fact.

Uhm not fact. Not even got any evidence to support this.

Entei for one is a ball of white flames. Look up the colours and indications for yourself. Most of Ace's attacks including his signature Hiken is made up of white flames. Also, the Mera Mera is a red fruit. Yur theory said that it was orange, or did I misread? Orange is not the representation of Aces fruit.

Actually; when flames are dense they go white; when this happens you know what colour the flames are by looking at the border/sides of the oxidized masses (in Entei's case; Orange.) So is Luffy purply blue? No. So basically the fruit colour is irrelevant to the actual ability. STFU. Orange is the representation of common fire.

Yeah, logic hurts. I've seen you post on a few threads, and well.....

It hurts when it comes from you as I must facepalm so hard my forehead implodes.

 

[AlicexX]

Sig and Avatar.

Again, I ask what debate did we have regarding Ace? You claimed that you merely "refuted my Ace fanboyism?"

No I'm simply saying that I'm not a Coby fanboy.

I just call it as I see it.

You hadn't asked it in a while. I think you know I wasn't referring to that question. My theory isn't flawed; you've proved nothing, get your undeveloped premature ass off this thread.

Dude, if you had read my posts in this thread and the other then you'd see that I brought this up in damn near every post. You simply chose to ignore it. Most of my refutes to your claims were questions like this one so if you didn't mean this one then which question did you mean? Also your theory is flawed because you don't have an answer to the question being "what if Garp decides to keep it as a keepsake?" If he does then your theory is moot.

A theory is based upon predictions (always circumstantial), does this mean that even the most perfect theories are flawed? My theories have been quite accurate e.g. Ancient Weapons can be organisms, Violet being Rebecca's aunt and meeting DD (she's headed to the Palace right now.... Ironically this theory seems to be correct so far!) and attempting to murder him. I also predicted that Sakazuki would fight Kuzan for the position of FA just before the timeskip. My theories are being more and more consistent. You can't claim that something is flawed because you disagree with it

Exactly. There are no flawless theories until they are proven. Your theory is not flawless and has points in which the whole thing can fall through. Is that flawless to you? You declaring that your theory is flawless without an concrete evidence just shows how arrogant you are. Prove Coby's relevance in this arc. Prove that the Marines will ignore RAs and a Yonkou ship to secure the Mera Mera no Mi. Prove that Sabo won't win the fruit. Prove that Coby will become an Admiral in this generation with the three slots filled and enough formidable VAs that could possibly fill future spots. If your theory is truly flawless then you should have answers/evidence to all of this, no? Unless you simply get your head out of your ass and admit that you have only stated possibilities and stop acting as if your theory is canon.

We don't know. But there's a good chance he is since he's an HQ captain and the HQ is in the New World now.

So you're uncertain about this, correct? This also proves that your theory is not flawless.

Do you really think Sakazuki (a smart guy) would send forces that stand no chance into a fight? You've proven how stubborn you are. My point is invalid? I think not, just stop refuting something you can't refute successfully. You've dug yourself a deep hole.

Sakazuki murdered his own comrade for not wanting to face Whitebeard. Let's get real. The battleships that he sent were already en-route to Dressrosa before we even knew that Big Mam's ship was headed there to. The Marines are going to bump into her not because he sent them. They're proabably going to be forced to fight as well seeing how it is their duty to protect the people. Fujitora is also there and Sakazuki trusted him enough to send him to Dressrosa in the first place. I'm in no hole, but you'd best watch out for the one that you seem to be digging for yourself.

Doesn't matter. They would have overwhelming force. Isshou got in so I imagine that with his/Sakazuki's authorization a Marine can enter the Colosseum.

Issho got in because no one knew that he was affiliated with the Marines. Did you see any other soldiers with him? No one expected that a blind old man would be a Marine Admiral. Oda has expressed this sentiment over and over in this arc. The point is it is canon fact that no Marines are allowed in the colosseum.

Sabo's purpose isn't to simply win the fruit. It's clearly much deeper kid.

From what Oda has shown us so far his purpose in this arc is to try and win the Mera Mera no Mi. There is nothing supporting him not winning it and vise-versa. There is no way to definitely say either unless you're arrogantly trying to support a certain theory of yours.

Uhm not fact. Not even got any evidence to support this.

Alright. So toss me two arc in which major characters of the arc were introduced after the major battles of the arc began and I'll concede this point.

Actually; when flames are dense they go white; when this happens you know what colour the flames are by looking at the border/sides of the oxidized masses (in Entei's case; Orange.) So is Luffy purply blue? No. So basically the fruit colour is irrelevant to the actual ability. STFU. Orange is the representation of common fire.

Like I said, Hiken, Entei, etc are white flames. I also like how you switched up and now said that the color of the fruit itself doesn't matter. Nice dodge.

It hurts when it comes from you as I must facepalm so hard my forehead implodes.

Just wear a helmet. I know proof-reading your work must be a trip. Not because of spelling or grammar, but because of sense.

 

[crono0929]

Alright guys, lets just agree to disagree.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Alright guys, lets just agree to disagree.

I wish we could... But debating with a retard makes this impossible. It's quite amusing to read these responses of his.

Again, I ask what debate did we have regarding Ace? You claimed that you merely "refuted my Ace fanboyism?"

Isn't the Mera Mera no Mi the Devil fruit that Ace ate?

I just call it as I see it.

And you see it wrong due to a lack of reading comprehension as well as having a low caliber narrow mind.

Dude, if you had read my posts in this thread and the other then you'd see that I brought this up in damn near every post.

You brought it up on the first two pages. This is the 4th page in case you hadn't noticed.

You simply chose to ignore it. Most of my refutes to your claims were questions like this one so if you didn't mean this one then which question did you mean? Also your theory is flawed because you don't have an answer to the question being "what if Garp decides to keep it as a keepsake?" If he does then your theory is moot.

Ignore what? The only question you asked worth responding to. If Garp keeps the fruit then the theory is wrong. Simple as that, you're so dependent on this one unlikely path that it's funny as it is all you stand by.

Exactly. There are no flawless theories until they are proven. Your theory is not flawless and has points in which the whole thing can fall through.

The only way the points can pull through is if Oda goes Kishi/Kubo mode. Not gonna happen! Oda is far above them. No flawless theories? You're f*cking joking! Check this one out!:

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Was that flawless or what?

Is that flawless to you? You declaring that your theory is flawless without an concrete evidence just shows how arrogant you are. Prove Coby's relevance in this arc. Prove that the Marines will ignore RAs and a Yonkou ship to secure the Mera Mera no Mi. Prove that Sabo won't win the fruit. Prove that Coby will become an Admiral in this generation with the three slots filled and enough formidable VAs that could possibly fill future spots. If your theory is truly flawless then you should have answers/evidence to all of this, no? Unless you simply get your head out of your ass and admit that you have only stated possibilities and stop acting as if your theory is canon.

Flawless is when there's no error or misconception within the theory which causes the theory to be illogical in different multitudes. I used concrete evidence within the theory. You clearly haven't read it. I take it you haven't considered the possibility of Coby getting character development, because if you did you would never mention the VA's. I even told you myself that theories are based upon possibility, you really can't read, can you?

So you're uncertain about this, correct? This also proves that your theory is not flawless.

Coby being stationed in the New World wasn't mentioned in the theory. How is it relevant to my theory then?

Sakazuki murdered his own comrade for not wanting to face Whitebeard. Let's get real.

And? Would a FA really waste 3 whole battleships worth of troops (all fodder bar possibly Coby/Helmeppo etc.) on a battle which Pekoms/Tamago could probably win by themselves?

The battleships that he sent were already en-route to Dressrosa before we even knew that Big Mam's ship was headed there to. The Marines are going to bump into her not because he sent them.

Since the Marines hadn't been shown, safe to say they're going to land elsewhere or even at the underground port.

They're proabably going to be forced to fight as well seeing how it is their duty to protect the people. Fujitora is also there and Sakazuki trusted him enough to send him to Dressrosa in the first place.

What has Isshou got to do with the BMP's as of now?

I'm in no hole, but you'd best watch out for the one that you seem to be digging for yourself.

Couldn't hear you. You're quite deep down...

Issho got in because no one knew that he was affiliated with the Marines. Did you see any other soldiers with him? No one expected that a blind old man would be a Marine Admiral. Oda has expressed this sentiment over and over in this arc. The point is it is canon fact that no Marines are allowed in the colosseum.

Isshou has been shown with quite a lot of Marines (even before Oda stated he was the Admiral.) I expected the old man to be the Admiral and to be frank; so did most people. Further proof of your arrogance.

From what Oda has shown us so far his purpose in this arc is to try and win the Mera Mera no Mi. There is nothing supporting him not winning it and vise-versa. There is no way to definitely say either unless you're arrogantly trying to support a certain theory of yours.

This Arc was actually used to stage the fall of Kaidou and his crew by cutting the roots of his power.

Alright. So toss me two arc in which major characters of the arc were introduced after the major battles of the arc began and I'll concede this point.

The major battles haven't even begun in DR, so you can't even legitimately ask such a question. But okay then:
Ennies Lobby (Yamakiji and Onigumo etc.)
Alabasta (Hina at the very start of the matchups)
Thriller Bark (Kuma whilse Sanji and Absalom were having it out. Same for Ryuuma and Zoro.)

Like I said, Hiken, Entei, etc are white flames. I also like how you switched up and now said that the color of the fruit itself doesn't matter. Nice dodge.

No. They're dense Orange flames (edges are Orange), for them to be White flames there must be a White edge. Not a dodge, a refutation is a better term.

Just wear a helmet. I know proof-reading your work must be a trip. Not because of spelling or grammar, but because of sense.

Have a nice trip then! Because you certainly need to proof read (about 100 times over before it starts to make sense to someone like you)

 

[AlicexX]

@Rinnemaki: Edited my initial response. I'm going to be the better man and drop this. Who knows who's right. All I can say is that we'll see by the end of the arc. Just know that you lost all credibility the moment that you decided to attack the poster instead of the argument. lol That's how big boys debate.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Weather Coby or Sabo eats it its all just possibilities nothing quite proven yet, a d any number of circumstances may occur leading to either of the two or someone or someone completely unexpected eating it(its Oda and with expect the unexpected).
Pliz may we return to analysing the stuff relavant to the topic at hand and cease these puerile u know whats......

Considering that the factory is somewhere under the coliseum I think when Sugar loses consciousness a state of tumoil and chaos will grasp dressrosa and the humans who were turned into toys will probably join in the Riku army and pple lyk Chinjao will b much enraged and will probably go on a rampage but if they are still in the holding area bunker I'm sure if Elizebeo and Chinjao coodinated an attack they cld break thru(still hard to grasp but Chinjo got his mirikyu drill head now so maybe just maybe). The pple in the coliseum will have some reaction to getting memmories of their loved one and all these factors may lead to the tornament not ending as planned and maybe if the public is too wantonly the marines cld possibly storm the coliseum.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I see no need to finish it.

I can't be bothered to post everything here. If you want check his thread that covers his theory in it's entirety. There you will see me tall him that it's a good theory and then state the holes within it in a civil manner. It's one thing for someone to say that they feel that their theory is a good one,ut to say that it has no flaws? That's just arrogant. Especially when it's a theory that does have flaws.

Oddly enough, I think you positively repped me a couple of days ago. I wonder why?

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I agree.
Lets end this argument.
And I positived repped you because im a nice guy

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

@Rinnemaki: Edited my initial response. I'm going to be the better man and drop this. Who knows who's right. All I can say is that we'll see by the end of the arc. Just know that you lost all credibility the moment that you decided to attack the poster instead of the argument. lol That's how big boys debate.

Okay cool. Glad you left. I never attacked you? A mere description is completely different. I'm simply defending what I worked for and all you do is try and step all over it (unsuccessfully). Good to see you go and I hope to never see you until I can gladly say: "I told you so!".