[Theory] Coalescing past thoughts and a prediction of power

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Hmm... the recollection of data is from the highest quality, and the conclusions you have do have indeed a deep level of insight.

All what you said as theory (not the data collection, since that's pure fact) is really possible. But what really makes me feel worried is the probability of Sasuke awakening "Yomi" (Time Manipulation).

The technique is quite OP, but more important, it goes against a highly primordial principle stated in the manga... it was stated by Lee in his first fight with Sasuke.

Do you remember that he said that even if Sasuke was able to see his moves, his body wouldn't be able to react since Sasuke's body wasn't trained to keep that speed? There relies the problem. When a Taijutsu user forces his body to travel great distances in a burst their body muscles would suffer damage due the pressure implied in traveling in that fast rate.

The same applies in Yomi, since being able to slowdown time would imply (based on the theory of relativity) that every non-affected object/person traveling in the affected volume would suffer the effects of pressure (for example, if Sasuke uses Yomi inside a battle and he uses shunshin inside the Yomi field, his muscles would be destroyed in the process since the technique affects time but not space, nor density. It would be like throwing a debris into the atmosphere, it would burn to crisp before reaching the sea or the earth.

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PS: I have to admit, the technique didn't just sound OP at first, but it sounded impossible, since the idea behind the Sharingan is limited to perception. The sharingan let its user to have a better perception of reality, and in the case of Tsukiyomi, it affects the perception of the target, creating the illusion of the time-stretching "only and only in the target", and in the user in order to have control over the genjutsu.

It gained a little sense when I thought about the Kamui technique, but even so I don't feel so convinced, since Kamui is not a Space-Time technique. It is related to inter-dimensional traveling, and that is related to another different dimension.

Obito is capable to "retrieve and hold" anything inside the kamui, and "put this out of the kamui" in a late time. That is not space-time manipulation, that is a inter-dimensional vortex, totally parallel to the reality. If we speak technically about teleportation, or a "wormhole vortex", that would be like Minato's technique that opens a gate and instantly brings the transported object into another place of reality. So about the Sharingan, there is not technically any technique capable to manipulate time... there are only techniques able to manipulate perception of time on the desired targets.

Anyways, as I have an open mind and I gave space for doubts, I still think this technique is plausible, BUT given the characteristics of this technique, I have to put some emphasis and declare that it should have the same characteristics as Kotoamatsukami... yes, the eye shouldn't be able to function after the use of such extreme technique during some time, or in the best of cases, the amount of chakra needed for this jutsu have to be ridiculously high.
Very insightful post my friend. I agree with you, that the basis for the Sharingan's abilities is added perception. But beyond the Tomoe'd Sharingan, the Sharingan transcends in to a whole different type of monster capable of different capabilities. I understand the OPness (Not even a word....) of "Yomi" but when your rival is paralleled to the strongest to ever live (Rikudou), hax is needed to alleviate it.

Think of it like Sasuke's version of an overpowered Izanagi that only he can utilize.
 
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If Naruto obtains the Rinnegan, us Naruto fans should change our avatars to Rinnegan BSM Nardo, put in our titles "HATERS GONNA HATE", and change our statuses to "I'm starting to sense these trolls."

Jk

Anyways if you look back on Ch. 571, one peculiar instance was Naruto putting his hand out in almost the exact stance as Nagato/Deva Path when he repelled the rampaging Bijuus. It may be considered foreshadowing of him using Shinra Tensei. Sasuke's next ability is pretty interesting; considering his statement "deleting the past", it may very well be foreshadowing of him using a ST related Dojutsu. Just some food for thought. =D

This theory of yours is more likely to become reality. It's really well thoughtful shit you got there nigga.

Armathxy, just because RS's real name/SDB's theory was debunked doesn't actually guarantee this one will be debunked. At least disagree respectfully instead of having to put unnecessary insults towards the guy.
 

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Good compilation Transcendence, Albeit, for Naruto to awaken the Rikudo's Doūjutsu would require the Bijū chakra within him to rival that of the fruit, being the least as it's composition [A portion of the Shinjū's power; better worded as a portion of the Shinjū's composition] was specific; sufficient to supply Kaguya Doūjutsu and a body able to harness chakra as well as Natural energy----the remaining option for Naruto is being Host of the Jūbi. The power accumulated from the Bijū has thus far had what effect on Naruto's power...? Deeming it reserved potential would be distant given the extents Naruto has been pushed to in recent battles: It is a subtle point which negates the thought.

 
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Please change your name from Trandescence to Condescence, would suit you better.

Now that that's out of the way, you wrote a long thread but there's only 1 phrase that matters in all of this, which is the following:



In all the threads you make, I can't help but see a few clear similarities between you and the now dumb looking "Sir Derp Obito":

1. Both of you use the same techniques for making your theories sound as plausible as possible:
• Long as hell threads,
• Embelish with hollow words such as "empirical evidence", "fact" and "truth"
• Use different vocabulary to confuse people
2. You both only do this to try and claim reputation on some forums
3. You both consistently bump your threads with two word "thank you"s and you ignore heavy arguments that severely cripple your theory,
4. You're both actually full of shit.

The only difference is that in your case you're yet to be ridiculed, but it'll come.
Do you realize you're kinda being an smartass with your attitude, right? I doubt you care, and yet...

It doesn't matter how many words you write about your theory. Again, I told this constantly to SDO and he didn't listen. There's something you are ignoring called COMMON SENSE.

Naruto = Chakra = being a perfect Jinchuuriki
Sasuke = mind and eye powers = Rinnegan

Do the maths kid.

Naruto will never get the Rinnegan. He's got no use for it or utility for it. It's not what defines him. He's not going to share the same looks as the arch-enemy. It's as stupid as Sasuke becoming the Kyuubi's jinchuuriki. Unless you can answer that, then build a bridge and get over it.

[Armathyx: 1, Condescence: 0]
...your post lack sense. Did you stop and think where did the Sage get the Rinnegan from? He was born with it because he had the Juubi's Chakra

Oh, let me quote you about that...

Naruto = Chakra = being a perfect Jinchuuriki
Naruto = Bijuu Chakra = Rinnegan

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And... Sasuke yes? Are you expecting him awakening the Rinnegan? Didn't Madara needed Senju DNA for this purpose?

The only thing that's near to Senju DNA would be Yang Energy (since it is the main feature of the Younger Son's Bloodline), and guess what... that matches the Naruto's part of the Kyuubi. So if Sasuke awakens the Rinnegan...

a) He would need Senju DNA and be almost dead or...
b) He would need extreme quantity of Yang Energy, enough to balance his Yin Energy as Elder Son's descendent. In the case of him having the Yang Kyuubi (Naruto's buffing), it would be temporal.

...so, next time, try to be more insightful with your statements... being an smartass is a sign of ignorance nowadays. Furthermore, that thing doesn't work against Proof Guys like me, and Trascendence.
 

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As always transcendence strikes again. I love all your theories! Big fan here :cool:

Anyways that time manipulation seems Hax! and i hope naruto does get the rinnegan, he would look so cool with it, i hope he can turn it off like an uchiha can turn his sharingan off anytime he/she wants. I don't want to see naruto using the rinnnegan all the time U_U also if he does obtain the rinnegan he could master all elements(water/fire and so on) also yin- yang D:! fuijutsu! I'm outta here D:! Good thread as always, My rep and thanks! :cool:
 

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I can conclude, given that all chakra stems from the Juubi's essence (the God Tree's Fruit), that Rikudou gained the Rinnegan from the Juubi's influence regardless.



Irrelevant.
Well Doh, why make such an obvious conclusion, that is correct for anything in the manga? What you and I still don't know, is how he got the rinnengan in the first place, which is important.



With the current pace of the manga? Absolutely not. We still have some ways to go, and have unanswered questions.
Yes we do indeed have a few "battlefronts" that are left unaswered. As I said, unless they postpone or stop the flower from blooming, it will take a few chapters. Besides the fan communities are about to get annoyed with this war. The fighting scenes stopped being interesting for most, and the irrelevant plot talk is getting on peoples nerves. Most people wants to see an end to this soon. And it could easily end within 5 chapters, if Kishi wants to. Naruto obtaining some temporary state with ridukou mode wouldn't take more than a few chapters for him to beat Obito. Of course it wont end with Obitos death, rather than him losing and still be alive, so that we can have a number of chapters with talking and the aftermath. Then we still have the God tree, which needs to be dealt with. So it's not like the whole scene will be over soon, it's just that Obito has to lose soon enough (and so would Madara, I guess, though I am unaware if he can just jump in and control the flower in the tree).



Rinnegan, amplified by the Rikudou cloak (given from the Bijuu's), 100% Kurama, AND Sage Mode which is multiplying Bijuu Modo's power? Yes... He will able able to defeat Obito given he has the requisites to damage him and the power to nearly equal him in destructive capability.
Well you cannot know if he gets the same type of cloak as Obito. Nothing suggests it, as Obito did a lot of things to get it. If Naruto could simply get it from a portion of the bijuus chakra without the juubi shell, etc., it would truly be plot devastating. Of course there are other options, such as his genes being the correct, or whatever, but these are pure hyphotetically. So no way do I see any evidence of Naruto obtaining power stronger than Obito. Naruto can only beat him with feelings, just like he did with Nagato and several other - stronger - opponents.

As for the rinnengan, that is another story. I don't think Naruto will get that either. Tbh, there is no evidence, that you need rinnengan to get the ridukou cloak. The ridukou cloak is something that comes with the power of the juubi. It's possible that rinnengan follows from the Juubi, but we don't know that. Of course we have Obito, who didn't awaken Rinnengan from getting the cloak, but even this case is quite special, as Obito already had 1 rinnengan.

Lastly you can't really know, if Naruto could use all those powers at once :D I mean wouldn't Kuramas cloak vanish, if Naruto awakes the Ridukou cloak, since that partly is due to Kuramas chakra as well? We can't know, but IMO it's likely. Also I don't really see, how he can incorporate senjutsu with it, since that seems to be the only thing, it cannot manipulate.


Doubtful. That's far worse than what I have proposed. That is the very definition of a "plot" win, for the main characters. More so than the Naruto v Kakuzu fight.
I agree, but as I wouldn't neglect the possibility. Of course Naruto needs to use the chakra from the tailed beasts, but don't forget - even when Obito is defeated, the Juubi is still there. He might as well need them for sealing it, or whatever. You can just assume they will be used to take down Obito, that might not even be the point of that chakra. We cannot know yet. If what they gave him was just for making brute power, that would actually be go against Narutos role in the story.



So now you're being hypocritical and concluding it? No. And (IMO) it is the same as how Naruto transferred his chakra to the Shinobi and when he wills it, they will be able to utilize the cloaks. Whenever Naruto wills the need to use the Bijuu's chakra, he can.
Uhm, but what he did with the shinobi alliance is waaaaay different. He didn't just give them chakra. He made a link with them, so he could transmit chakra to them in order to bring back the cloak. Surely you could say, that the bijuus did the same with Naruto, but those bijuus are gone now, so it's really not so much of an option, unless we assume, they will be sealed into their exact same states. But nobody has either knowledge or sealing techniques to do so in the near future.


Even though it was clearly stated that Sasuke has the potential to surpass Madara? Come on man... And Madara's proficiency with the Rinnegan is suspect, and he has access to only Base Mokuton techniques.

Amongst all this, I still appreciate your feedback and criticism.
Haha, I know right, but this is the Madara, that didn't have either rinnengan or mokuton. Besides note the "potential to surpass"... As I said, we can always think 20-30 years into the future, but that might not be a future, we will ever see. So why even bother doing it? And even with that potential, it does not really make sense to just put him over Hashirama.
 
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And... Sasuke yes? Are you expecting him awakening the Rinnegan? Didn't Madara needed Senju DNA for this purpose?

The only thing that's near to Senju DNA would be Yang Energy (since it is the main feature of the Younger Son's Bloodline), and guess what... that matches the Naruto's part of the Kyuubi. So if Sasuke awakens the Rinnegan...

a) He would need Senju DNA and be almost dead or...
b) He would need extreme quantity of Yang Energy, enough to balance his Yin Energy as Elder Son's descendent. In the case of him having the Yang Kyuubi (Naruto's buffing), it would be temporal.
Orochimaru, Zetsu spores. Hashirama is a direct descendant of the Senju ancesror, his genetic material is saturated with Yōton energy as its life giving properties is what enables mokuton to function. The idea is entirely plausible.
 
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If Naruto obtains the Rinnegan, us Naruto fans should change our avatars to Rinnegan BSM Nardo, put in our titles "HATERS GONNA HATE", and change our statuses to "I'm starting to sense these trolls."

Jk

Anyways if you look back on Ch. 571, one peculiar instance was Naruto putting his hand out in almost the exact stance as Nagato/Deva Path when he repelled the rampaging Bijuus. It may be considered foreshadowing of him using Shinra Tensei. Sasuke's next ability is pretty interesting; considering his statement "deleting the past", it may very well be foreshadowing of him using a ST related Dojutsu. Just some food for thought. =D

This theory of yours is more likely to become reality. It's really well thoughtful shit you got there nigga.

Armathxy, just because RS's real name/SDB's theory was debunked doesn't actually guarantee this one will be debunked. At least disagree respectfully instead of having to put unnecessary insults towards the guy.
Thanks man. And yea, lol. If it does come true, that's what I'll do as well.
Good compilation Transcendence, Albeit, for Naruto to awaken the Rikudo's Doūjutsu would require the Bijū chakra within him to rival that of the fruit, being the least as it's composition [A portion of the Shinjū's power; better worded as a portion of the Shinjū's composition] was specific; sufficient to supply Kaguya Doūjutsu and a body able to harness chakra as well as Natural energy----the remaining option for Naruto is being Host of the Jūbi. The power accumulated from the Bijū has thus far had what effect on Naruto's power...? Deeming it reserved potential would be distant given the extents Naruto has been pushed to in recent battles: It is a subtle point which negates the thought.

Hmm... I see. The thing is, it is an unknown variable as to how much of the Bijuu's influence (their chakra) is needed as a requisite for awakening Rikudou's Dojutsu. It could just be having the composition on a small scale (what I propose), or it could be your proposition, in which the person would need influence on the God Fruit's scale (which is essentially the Juubi). Regardless, thank you for your thoughts on the matter Waltz.
Do you realize you're kinda being an smartass with your attitude, right? I doubt you care, and yet...



...your post lack sense. Did you stop and think where did the Sage get the Rinnegan from? He was born with it because he had the Juubi's Chakra

Oh, let me quote you about that...



Naruto = Bijuu Chakra = Rinnegan

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And... Sasuke yes? Are you expecting him awakening the Rinnegan? Didn't Madara needed Senju DNA for this purpose?

The only thing that's near to Senju DNA would be Yang Energy (since it is the main feature of the Younger Son's Bloodline), and guess what... that matches the Naruto's part of the Kyuubi. So if Sasuke awakens the Rinnegan...

a) He would need Senju DNA and be almost dead or...
b) He would need extreme quantity of Yang Energy, enough to balance his Yin Energy as Elder Son's descendent. In the case of him having the Yang Kyuubi (Naruto's buffing), it would be temporal.

...so, next time, try to be more insightful with your statements... being an smartass is a sign of ignorance nowadays. Furthermore, that thing doesn't work against Proof Guys like me, and Trascendence.
Hirudora strikes again! Thanks man.
As always transcendence strikes again. I love all your theories! Big fan here :cool:

Anyways that time manipulation seems Hax! and i hope naruto does get the rinnegan, he would look so cool with it, i hope he can turn it off like an uchiha can turn his sharingan off anytime he/she wants. I don't want to see naruto using the rinnnegan all the time U_U also if he does obtain the rinnegan he could master all elements(water/fire and so on) also yin- yang D:! fuijutsu! I'm outta here D:! Good thread as always, My rep and thanks! :cool:
Thanks man! And I thought about the whole turning it off complex, and I believe it would all depend on if the Dojutsu would be linked to his final mode. Just like how Naruto wills people to have the Kyuubi cloak, he could will his Rikudou cloak and use the Rinnegan while he uses it.

Off topic: I wonder who down voted the thread...
 
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If Naruto obtains the Rinnegan, us Naruto fans should change our avatars to Rinnegan BSM Nardo, put in our titles "HATERS GONNA HATE", and change our statuses to "I'm starting to sense these trolls."

Jk

Anyways if you look back on Ch. 571, one peculiar instance was Naruto putting his hand out in almost the exact stance as Nagato/Deva Path when he repelled the rampaging Bijuus. It may be considered foreshadowing of him using Shinra Tensei. Sasuke's next ability is pretty interesting; considering his statement "deleting the past", it may very well be foreshadowing of him using a ST related Dojutsu. Just some food for thought. =D

This theory of yours is more likely to become reality. It's really well thoughtful shit you got there nigga.

Armathxy, just because RS's real name/SDB's theory was debunked doesn't actually guarantee this one will be debunked. At least disagree respectfully instead of having to put unnecessary insults towards the guy.
Good compilation Transcendence, Albeit, for Naruto to awaken the Rikudo's Doūjutsu would require the Bijū chakra within him to rival that of the fruit, being the least as it's composition [A portion of the Shinjū's power; better worded as a portion of the Shinjū's composition] was specific; sufficient to supply Kaguya Doūjutsu and a body able to harness chakra as well as Natural energy----the remaining option for Naruto is being Host of the Jūbi. The power accumulated from the Bijū has thus far had what effect on Naruto's power...? Deeming it reserved potential would be distant given the extents Naruto has been pushed to in recent battles: It is a subtle point which negates the thought.

Do you realize you're kinda being an smartass with your attitude, right? I doubt you care, and yet...



...your post lack sense. Did you stop and think where did the Sage get the Rinnegan from? He was born with it because he had the Juubi's Chakra

Oh, let me quote you about that...



Naruto = Bijuu Chakra = Rinnegan

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And... Sasuke yes? Are you expecting him awakening the Rinnegan? Didn't Madara needed Senju DNA for this purpose?

The only thing that's near to Senju DNA would be Yang Energy (since it is the main feature of the Younger Son's Bloodline), and guess what... that matches the Naruto's part of the Kyuubi. So if Sasuke awakens the Rinnegan...

a) He would need Senju DNA and be almost dead or...
b) He would need extreme quantity of Yang Energy, enough to balance his Yin Energy as Elder Son's descendent. In the case of him having the Yang Kyuubi (Naruto's buffing), it would be temporal.

...so, next time, try to be more insightful with your statements... being an smartass is a sign of ignorance nowadays. Furthermore, that thing doesn't work against Proof Guys like me, and Trascendence.

So now you're God and your thoughts on the matter are conclusive? Get out of here. Bring scans at least to prove it. The enemies eyes? HE'S PARALLELED TO THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. Guess what? Rikudou had the Rinnegan... And Rikudou sure as hell isn't an enemy.

The Rinnegan devolves from the Sharingan (evolution) because the diluted version (Elder Sons Dojutsu) evolved over time into the present Sharingan Dojutsu. The Rinnegan isn't the natural evolution of the Sharingan because it needs an external factor to be awoken (Senju DNA). If it was natural, then it would be the same as awakening the Tomoe's or the Mangekyou (NO EXTERNAL FACTOR).
 
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Thanks man! And I thought about the whole turning it off complex, and I believe it would all depend on if the Dojutsu would be linked to his final mode. Just like how Naruto wills people to have the Kyuubi cloak, he could will his Rikudou cloak and use the Rinnegan while he uses it.

Off topic: I wonder who down voted the thread...
@Bold, i agree with everything you said; however, we got to see rikudou talks to naruto sort of speak to him like when he spoke to his dad when kurama was taking over naruto's body, could do the same thing whenever he gets the other half of kurama you know. That also would tell us more about what happened between the juubi and the sage of the six paths also a little bit more about his mother and who could be his father, if he was a good guy or not and stuff like that. And his final mode will look totally boss, i can see the future :cool:

@Underline, Haters man haters, don't mind them, they wanna be like you :yay:
 

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So now you're God and your thoughts on the matter are conclusive? Get out of here. Bring scans at least to prove it. The enemies eyes? HE'S PARALLELED TO THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. Guess what? Rikudou had the Rinnegan... And Rikudou sure as hell isn't an enemy.

The Rinnegan devolves from the Sharingan (evolution) because the diluted version (Elder Sons Dojutsu) evolved over time into the present Sharingan Dojutsu. The Rinnegan isn't the natural evolution of the Sharingan because it needs an external factor to be awoken (Senju DNA). If it was natural, then it would be the same as awakening the Tomoe's or the Mangekyou (NO EXTERNAL FACTOR).

And this is a hypothesis. I never said it would come true, but you deeming it a non-fact is absolutely pathetic given our past animosities. Please, don't post on this thread ever again, and learn the meaning of CON DESCENDENT, before using it in any context.
What's the proof of elder sons eyes being a diluted version of the Rinnegan? What's your scan then? And sharingan... an evolution? Again, where are the manga pages for this?

...mr Godly Proof Guy? Come on, be consequent to your own words before doing criticism to others...
 

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What's the proof of elder sons eyes being a diluted version of the Rinnegan? What's your scan then? And sharingan... an evolution? Again, where are the manga pages for this?

...mr Godly Proof Guy? Come on, be consequent to your own words before doing criticism to others...
Common sense. The Rinnegan came first. The Sharingan came after over EVOLUTION, and is in turn the evolution of the line of Dojutsu. It has nothing to do with power, just chronological order in which the Dojutsu came about.
 

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Naruto is always compared to Hashirama -> no Rinnegan
Sasuke is always compared to Madara -> Rinnegan

Naruto is much more likely to become the Juubi's Jinchuuriki than gain the Rinnegan.
 

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Common sense. The Rinnegan came first. The Sharingan came after over EVOLUTION, and is in turn the evolution of the line of Dojutsu. It has nothing to do with power, just chronological order in which the Dojutsu came about.
And so, we have a winner. This is the correct answer for my questioning.

, as you can see, there are logical conclusions that can be directly derivated from storyline. Maybe you need Trascendence to put the... entire manga and you read it all again so you can understand a lot of Trascendence's theory is based in logical conclusions, rather than pure speculation. Maybe you need to back off for a while before answering.
 
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Naruto is always compared to Hashirama -> no Rinnegan
Sasuke is always compared to Madara -> Rinnegan

Naruto is much more likely to become the Juubi's Jinchuuriki than gain the Rinnegan.
And so you want a stomp in Naruto's favor? No. This was the best way I could even them out while keeping the Rikudou parallel intact.

And so, we have a winner. This is the correct answer for my questioning.

, as you can see, there are logical conclusions that can be directly derivated from storyline. Maybe you need Trascendence to put the... entire manga and you read it all again so you can understand a lot of Trascendence's theory is based in logical conclusions, rather than pure speculation. Maybe you need to back off for a while before answering.
Yes sir. Thank you for your input once more.
 

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Excellent thread overall, though I still have major doubts about Naruto getting the Rinnegan.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but you should be aware that in the volume release of chapter 630 when the Juubi stares at Naruto, the one tails isn't present around the other Bijuu anymore.
 
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Excellent thread overall, though I still have major doubts about Naruto getting the Rinnegan.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but you should be aware that in the volume release of chapter 630, when the Juubi stares at Naruto, the one tails isn't present around the other Bijuu anymore.
In fact, that photo meets a certain pattern my friend... All the Bijuus in that photo, were defeated by Naruto at least once.

This is a crucial factor for the storyline in my opinion.
 

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Condescence, you may have a mod friend deleting my posts because they destroy you, but my points still stand, and you're still 3-0 to me. But don't worry, I'm not going to 4-0 you here, I'm going to speak to a more reasonable person.

Hirudora, I don't know why you are supporting this guy. You defended reason when you spoke against Sir Derp Obito's theories, yet here you support this guy when he says Naruto will get Rinnegan? Like, doesn't the idea alone sound absolutely preposterous to you?

It's not a sum up of the entire manga. The sum up of the entire manga is that a Uchiha's final power up is the Rinnegan, as he then becomes just like the Elder Son. How can you have missed out on such an important fact?





And really, once again, a point that you are completely ignoring, how can you justify Naruto needing the Rinnegan to begin with? Is he going to use any of the six paths at all? Can't you see that it does not define who he is and it has no reason for replacing his current eyes? Like, seriously, what place does it have in his arsenal? Maybe he's going to use Asura Path when he can already pull additional arms out of his Kyuubi mode? Or use the Human Path to kill Obito, and fail horribly? Oh wait, perhaps he's going to use Chibaku Tensei... and murder the entire shinobi alliance along just to temporarily capture Obito? Please do provide an explanation for this, because I'm not going to get one from Condescence. I already asked him this several times, yet he just ignores.

I mean, not even aesthetically does it suit the plot. Kishimoto designed Naruto to have blue eyes. He'll always have blue eyes when he's in his normal stance. The Rinnegan cannot be reverted, or at least we've never seen anyone do so. It's just like his orange uniform. No matter how much he sweats and bleeds into it, he'll always just dress the same outfit all the time. Do you imagine now, after 650 chapters, Kishimoto changing the main character's appearance?

And really, not even plot wise does it make any sense, it's just wishful thinking from Condescence because he's a Nagato fan. I already covered this point but a moderator was kind enough to delete my work on a whim, so I'm not going to bother answering it again.
 
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