I thought this thread was supposed to be about the five Hokage, but clearly it was a disguised title, this is actually about a Hiruzen fanboy who hates the fact that Minato surpassed him by miles long ago.
Hiruzen's title as the god of shinobi doesn't mean shit really, Pein was hailed as a true god and was hailed as undefeatable by the whole of Ame and Konan, and even the Akatsuki members thought he was undefeatable, including Tobi, Zetsu, and Kisame and they all couldn't believe that he had been beaten, although he was actually beaten by talk no jutsu in the end. So really, Hiruzen's title means shit now that there is another god who was actually hailed by many S class shinobi.
Heck even Fukusaku (Pa) said that Pein was too strong and undefeatable without knowledge of his powers.
Now we go to Minato, A, an enemy village Kage said that he believed Minato could never be surpassed. Kakashi, a smart and elite jounin, said that Naruto was the only one who could surpass the Fourth, and Jiraiya said that everyone pailed in comparison to the fourth. Not to mention that the fourth is the ONLY one that has EVER had a FLEE ON SITE ORDER on him. Naruto also hailed Minato as the greatest Hokage (if Iruka's words should count then so will Naruto's, besides Naruto had a far greater bond with the third at the time but still hailed the fourth as the greatest.) Yamato didn't even believe it was possible to surpass the fourth when Kakashi said that Naruto was the only one that could do it. Anko also said that she wished the Fourth was still alive to take care of Orochimaru when Hiruzen said that there was no one in the village capable of taking out Oro.
My point here, believe it or not is not to prove Minato> Hiruzen or Hiruzen<Minato using manga people's words , my point here is that the words of the people in the manga are unreliable because Kishi tried to make them like real people, and real people, just like in this thread and others, will say things that are biased, not well thought out, or influenced by their circumstances, that is why there have been so many contradictory and false staements made by people in the manga.
Now if the Raikage and Tobi, who was able to make himself and sasuke intangible before the Raikage could hit him at fool speed, were not fast enough for Minato, then Hiruzen certainly isn't.
The argument that Hiruzen must have a way to counter FTG out of his so called one thousand jutsu is also invalid, it isn't even speculation, it sounds more like wishful and hopeful thinking really, or worse, rabid fanboyism as there is absolutely no substance to that claim, Kakashi has over one thousand jutsu, does he now also magically have a counter for FTG?
Another thing is this thing about people saying that Minato is just FTG and rasengan and there is no way that FTG and Rasengan > one thousand jutsu, which is nonsense, Minato isn't just FTG and rsengan, transportation barrier, which pawned Kyubi's TBB with ease > any one thousand jutsu that Hiruzen has, because Hiruzen certainly doesn't have something more powerful then that.
Contract seal> enma summoning technique.
Uzumaki seals and Barriers > One thousand Jutsu, and don't even start with that 'we haven't seen any of those seals from Minato bull', if you do say that, then be a man and also say that you haven't seen those so called one thousand jutsu that Hiruzen supposedly has, the law can't only work for one person, it hads to be applied to both. We know from Kushina that Minato knows many seals and is a master of space time and barriers, if you claim you haven't seen them and hence they don't count, remember that you haven't seen the so called one thousand jutsu/mastery of all konoha jutsu nonsense.
Plus we also know that Minato had elemental ninjutsu, Kakashi said that a person became recognised as a jounin in konoha when said person mastered two nature affinties and also said that Minato had planned to add an affinity to the rasengan, two statements that prove that Minato had elemental ninjutsu, he didn't use it simply because he didn't need to when he could kill you in a literal flash instead of going through a long chain of hand seals and using jutsu that almost never hit their opponents anyway from what we have seen of elemental ninjutsu in the manga. But once again if you refute his elemental ninjutsu because you haven't seen it then you will have to refute Hiruzen's mastery of all Konoha jutsu coz you haven't seen it.
If we take the skills that Hiruzen has shown and what Minato has shown, Minato>>>>Hiruzen.
If we take the so called mastery of over one thousand jutsu into consideration and we take Minato's MANY uzumaki seals and barriers/space time techs that Kushina said he has, and we know he has, and his elemental ninjutsu that he obviously has, and summoning of ma and pa that he OBVIOUDLY has as a toad summoner, then once again, MInato>>Prime Hiruzen.
1) Hashiram/Minato
2)Minato/Hashirama
3)Tobirama
4)Hiruzen
5)Tsunade
Gave Hashirama first because he had nine bijuu under his control in his prime and his own amazing power on top of that, put him on par with Minato if the contract seal takes away his control of bijuu the same way it did to Tobi and because of transportation barrier and ridiculous illusiveness of FTG.
Tobirama third because of being hailed as a master strategist, after watching Kisame, then I know that Tobirama's water techs must have been OP if he could create lakes out of thin air. Edo tensei also an amazing trump card and if he was really a space time master like Tobi and Minato, then need I say more, and the raijin no ken must have complemented his water techs well. If I knew more about his space time tech I might have even placed him alongside his brother and Minato, but sadly we don't but his edo wouldn't work against Hashirama's nine bijuu and wouldn't work against Minato's contract seal, so I put him third.
Hiruzen is fourth because he aint shown any special ability really that would give someone and S class trump card, he seems to just use ordinary techniques well or just learn other people's work off of the forbidden scroll of seals. But I think he is way better then Tsunade, who was outclassed by pre time skip Kabuto even though he was holding back, pathetic really.
