Clearing up the confusion on who the strongest Hokage is......

[edgarmagician]

Now we have folks here questioning was Kishi himself has said and established. LOL talk about delusional.

 

[Sage of the Six Packs]

Hashirama was strong enough to curtail the power of the Tailed beasts and give each village their powers. Hiruzen struggled to survive against the Nine Tails episode 249-250 in the anime. Enough said.
+Even at his PRIME, I doubt Hiruzen was stronger cuz Tsunade and Orochimaru both managed to get a bell off him. Whether he was holding back or not, that;s not very impressive.
Tobirama < Minato
Mayb if Kishi showed us more of Tobi's techniques, the verdict might be different

 

[-Vegeta-]

In this case Kabuto decided to take over control. Do you believe that Kabuto is also controlling all the other Edo's who were fighting in the other battlefields? NO, he can't. In the 3 Kage fight fight Oro was fighting as well, so I doubt that he was controlling what jutsus the 1st and 2nd were using.

Being Nerfed is your opinion, it doesn't take away the fact that Hiruzen beat them both and Oro.

I never tried to take away the fact that he beat them, but he beat 2 kages who didn't even try their best(manga fact) and didn't use their most powerful jutsu(Tobirama's s/t jutsu and Hashirama's secret scroll and flower world jutsu and possibly other powerful mokuton jutsu).

This is how I see it. You can disagree because everyones entitled to their own opinion.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Hashirama is the strongest Hokage period. all that talk about hiruzen in his prime still couldnt test hashirama. the techniques edo madara is doing with his wood. hashirama most likely cuz it was his own jutsu would double that . are you serious orochimaru used hashirama completely wrong. actually kabuto wasted alot of good summons they dont know hwo to control the edo as good as they can control themselves. even if he lets them have personality he still controls there body and movements

 

[Ryuu..]

*sigh* Viewtiful pretty much ended the discussion:

The words from the creator of the series=truth in regards to the series. He has constantly written both in the series and in his own writings that Hiruzen is THE strongest Hokage for over a decade now.

 

[-Vegeta-]

if it was obvious that he was the strongest i would have accepted, and you wouldnt have wasted your time making a thread if it was that apparent, regardless of what was being said. It's not unbelievable that creates someone put their foot into their mouth, and make mistakes, especially if it supports the events of the storyline. The 3rd may be the strongest, but from what we've seen and new updated hype, he's far from it.

What you have done is simply supported a plot statement, that was mentioned durung the time when only one Hokage was relevent and who was made out to be the fairy tale grandfather.

What I'm doing is looking at everything that has been demonstrated and considering the conditions of each other at that time.

I don't know why you're wasting your time man. It seems like people refuse to believe that Kishi may have changed his mind on who he viewed as the strongest hokage and decided to retcon Hiruzen being the strongest hokage.

 

[Ryuu..]

I don't know why you're wasting your time man. It seems like people refuse to believe that Kishi may have changed his mind on who he viewed as the strongest hokage and decided to retcon Hiruzen being the strongest hokage.

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Now you're saying you think maybe Kishi has changed his mind? Are you not accepting what the writer has said to be truth? Why are you in such denial? It was you who pointed out the Manga > anything I say and 2 people have said Hiruzen is the strongest hokage.

It just seems you vehemently want to reject the idea of Hiruzen being the strongest hokage at all costs.........................

 

[edgarmagician]

I never tried to take away the fact that he beat them, but he beat 2 kages who didn't even try their best(manga fact) and didn't use their most powerful jutsu(Tobirama's s/t jutsu and Hashirama's secret scroll and flower world jutsu and possibly other powerful mokuton jutsu).

This is how I see it. You can disagree because everyones entitled to their own opinion.

It is your opinion and I can respect that. Also, we haven't seen Sarutobi's strongest techniques either.

I will always wonder what was that technique that Sarutobi was going to use against the 9 tails.

 

[Minator93]

If you guys are so much set on Magaka's words then have a look at this

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Unrivaled Strength,Aiming for his Level.

 

[-Vegeta-]

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Now you're saying you think maybe Kishi has changed his mind? Are you not accepting what the writer has said to be truth? Why are you in such denial? It was you who pointed out the Manga > anything I say and 2 people have said Hiruzen is the strongest hokage.

It just seems you vehemently want to reject the idea of Hiruzen being the strongest hokage at all costs.........................

Not really. I can use hype from several characters that contradict Hiruzen being the strongest hokage. Jiraiya said Minato was an unparalleled shinobi meaning not even Hiruzen would be his equal, A said Minato was unsurpassable meaning again not even Hiruzen would be above him, Kabuto just stated Hashirama's power was a fairy tale just like the so6p and that would put him above him.

Fact is several characters have hype that place them above Hiruzen. I have nothing against Hiruzen but Kishi very well could've changed his mind on who he views as the strongest hokage and that's very evident by all the hype he's given Minato and Hashirama in part 2. Has he mentioned Hiruzen at all in part 2? Not really.

If you guys are so much set on Magaka's words then have a look at this

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Another quote that would put Minato above Hiruzen.

 

[Ryuu..]

If you guys are so much set on Magaka's words then have a look at this

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Keyword here: Everyone now sets off. Thus ruling out all shinobi who came before him. Anyway, that's not Kishi's official words, its just a description of the title page kind of thing :|

 

[The Work]

Dude all Minato have is speed....Yall acting like he has the whole damn package ....Hashirima...stronger than Minato...Hiruzen > Hashirima....I guess i agree

 

[Ryuu..]

Not really. I can use hype from several characters that contradict Hiruzen being the strongest hokage. Jiraiya said Minato was an unparalleled shinobi meaning not even Hiruzen would be his equal, A said Minato was unsurpassable meaning again not even Hiruzen would be above him, Kabuto just stated Hashirama's power was a fairy tale just like the so6p and that would put him above him.

Fact is several characters have hype that place them above Hiruzen. I have nothing against Hiruzen but Kishi very well could've changed his mind on who he views as the strongest hokage and that's very evident by all the hype he's given Minato and Hashirama in part 2. Has he mentioned Hiruzen at all in part 2? Not really.



Another quote that would put Minato above Hiruzen.

But Kishi's official words > anything characters say

 

[blazekev90]

I don't know why you're wasting your time man. It seems like people refuse to believe that Kishi may have changed his mind on who he viewed as the strongest hokage and decided to retcon Hiruzen being the strongest hokage.

it's actually sad, idk how ppl could watch someone for so long and not notice that somethings are just obvious, and wouldnt need to be re-stated. I guess they'll continue thinking this even if Naruto becomes Hokage and a new databook does not deem him as the strongest Hokage lol

 

[Viewtiful]

Not really. I can use hype from several characters that contradict Hiruzen being the strongest hokage. Jiraiya said Minato was an unparalleled shinobi meaning not even Hiruzen would be his equal, A said Minato was unsurpassable meaning again not even Hiruzen would be above him, Kabuto just stated Hashirama's power was a fairy tale just like the so6p and that would put him above him.

IIRC, all that Jiraiya said was that Minato had the potential to surpass all other ninja in history, not that he did so completely. A said he didn't think anyone could ever surpass him, but that could also imply that Minato was on Hiruzen's level.

The whole Kabuto statement is throwing people off more than it should have. Hiruzen was called a "God" in his youth, which trumps a "fairy tale"/"myth", yet everyone seems to ignore that.

Fact is several characters have hype that place them above Hiruzen. I have nothing against Hiruzen but Kishi very well could've changed his mind on who he views as the strongest hokage and that's very evident by all the hype he's given Minato and Hashirama in part 2. Has he mentioned Hiruzen at all in part 2? Not really.

No. Being called the "God of shinobi", the exact nickname that the So6P had places Hiruzen above everyone if we're going on hype. Stated directly by Kishimoto, Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage.

 

[blazekev90]

But Kishi's official words > anything characters say

lmfao wft?!? did he just say.....I can't lol

 

[-Vegeta-]

But Kishi's official words > anything characters say

Yea and that statement came from a quote that had nothing to do with hype. It seems like you're ignoring the point because you have no counter.

 

[Ryuu..]

lmfao wft?!? did he just say.....I can't lol

Yea and that statement came from a quote that had nothing to do with hype. It seems like you're ignoring the point because you have no counter.

It seems like you two think Kishi is wrong


C'mon guys...........

 

[Viewtiful]

People. Hashirama was insanely strong and his strength was mythical. Kishimoto has simply been expanding on that strength. Why in the world some of you are thinking that because it is being expanded on that it overwrites stated facts is beyond me.
Hirzuen was referred to as a "God", while Hashirama a "fairy tale". I think ti's quite obvious which trumps which if you are going to go purely based on hype like some are.

 

[-Vegeta-]

IIRC, all that Jiraiya said was that Minato had the potential to surpass all other ninja in history, not that he did so completely. A said he didn't think anyone could ever surpass him, but that could also imply that Minato was on Hiruzen's level.

The whole Kabuto statement is throwing people off more than it should have. Hiruzen was called a "God" in his youth, which trumps a "fairy tale"/"myth", yet everyone seems to ignore that.



No. Being called the "God of shinobi", the exact nickname that the So6P had places Hiruzen above everyone if we're going on hype. Stated directly by Kishimoto, Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage.

People. Hashirama was insanely strong and his strength was mythical. Kishimoto has simply been expanding on that strength. why in the world some of you are thinking that because it is being expanded in, that overwrites stated facts is beyond me.

You're entitled to your own opinion but my stance on the matter doesn't change. Hashirama's power was directly compared with the so6p so at least that puts them equal if not Hashirama being above him. And as I already said A thought Minato was unsurpassable.

Kishi could've possibly changed his mind on who he views as the strongest hokage, but it seems some people are too narrow minded to believe that.