Clearing misceptions in the new chapter

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Okay, I am no fanboy but I just want to try to clear some of the mistakes unless Kishimoto does it somewhere in the future.

Firstly, Madara's endurance is probably due to senjutsu. When Naruto obtained senjutsu, he became more durable and more powerful to the point he was able to toss a rhino and shatter weapons with his hand. Besides, Fukasaku told Naruto that his skin was thicker or stronger-something like that, and this was the reason why when he fell from a height, he was unscathed.

As for Madara, he suffered minimal damage because he has both senjutsu and senju dna which is lifeforce in itself. Besides, he is a talented uchiha with years on the battlefield. This should add to his physical prowess.

I am not sure about susanoo though. Madara used normal susanoo and not perfect susanoo. I assume that he can pull out susanoo with no eyes but not perfect susanoo. Its probably because of his mastery with long usage of the technique(proven by the fact he obtained PS).

Example: Experienced ninjas require no handseals to perform small techniques(Sasuke does require no hand seals to perform chidori in part 2 or chidori nagashi. Sometimes he uses handseals thought but he can still do without it). As such, Madara requires no eyes to perform his weakest susanoo but he cannot do perfect susanoo without eyes.

Madara's arm is still not properly attached. His eyes were just implanted but havent completely healed.


Well, This is just some possible explanation but it could be that kishimoto is defying logic.

 

[Vandenreich]

I like the part when the Sternritter one shotted Rose.

 

[Vandenreich]

Oh my bad, wrong thread.

 

[Legitimate]

I am not sure about susanoo though. Madara used normal susanoo and not perfect susanoo. I assume that he can pull out susanoo with no eyes but not perfect susanoo. Its probably because of his mastery with long usage of the technique(proven by the fact he obtained PS).

Example: Experienced ninjas require no handseals to perform small techniques(Sasuke does require no hand seals to perform chidori in part 2 or chidori nagashi). As such, Madara requires no eyes to perform his weakest susanoo but he cannot do perfect susanoo without eyes.

Madara's arm is still not properly attached. His eyes were just implanted but havent completely healed.


Well, This is just some possible explanation but it could be that kishimoto is defying logic.

Susanoo is Kekkei genkai.

Look what happened to Sasuke's Susanoo as his vision is fading:

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While Madara's Eye Sockets are empty.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

you can't throw away the established statements/facts about the requirements of obtaining the Susanoo (Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu) and the events that happened to two Susanoo users going blind (no perfect Susanoo in here), to justify what happened in this crappy chapter.

this is a mess that can't be fixed, and you can't take away the Mangakyo Sharingan and keep the Susanoo U_U.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Susanoo is Kekkei genkai.

Look what happened to Sasuke's Susanoo as his vision is fading:

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While Madara's Eye Sockets are empty.

you can't throw away the established statements/facts about the requirements of obtaining the Susanoo (Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu) and the events that happened to two Susanoo users going blind (no perfect Susanoo in here), to justify what happened in this crappy chapter.

this is a mess that can't be fixed, and you can't take away the Mangakyo Sharingan and keep the Susanoo U_U.

Madara obtained EMS. Besides, He still could use susanoo when he had rinnegan and no mangekyou. Rinnegan has never been shown to do mangekyou techniques. Perhaps he can pass without his eyes.

I know it may be a flaw but I want to debate on it first

 

[Legitimate]

Madara obtained EMS. Besides, He still could use susanoo when he had rinnegan. Rinnegan has never been shown to do mangekyou techniques.

I know it may be a flaw but I want to debate on it first

Madara's Eye Sockets are empty.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Madara's Eye Sockets are empty.

It's only an example to show that he doesn't really depend on his eyes. If he switched to rinnegan and used mangekyou abilities, this means his eyes are of minimal importance. But that doesn't mean he can use all ocular techniques. He can use them to some degree but not at perfection. He cannot pull out a perfect susanoo.

 

[Zato]

I like the part when the Sternritter one shotted Rose.

Yeah that was pretty shocking but I loved it.

 

[Legitimate]

It's only an example to show that he doesn't really depend on his eyes. If he switched to rinnegan and used mangekyou abilities, this means his eyes are of minimal importance. But that doesn't mean he can use all ocular techniques. He can use them to some degree but not at perfection. He cannot pull out a perfect susanoo.

Read again and use logic.

Look what happened to Sasuke's Susanoo as his vision is fading:

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While Madara's Eye Sockets are empty.

 

[Blunt]

Sasuke needed to recover after the transplant, I don't see how you just stick an eyeball in and it automatically would work. Obito had to do the operation on Sasuke. I mean, it wasn't a bad chapter but that just doesn't make sense.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Read again and use logic.

Look what happened to Sasuke's Susanoo as his vision is fading:

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While Madara's Eye Sockets are empty.

Once you have ems, it's different. Did you ever notice sasuke's ems eyes do not bleed sometimes when he is using low level enton but bleeds when he is using powerful one. This could mean that once you have EMS, your body is different. Not just the eyes.

At this time, Sasuke was using MS.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Sasuke needed to recover after the transplant, I don't see how you just stick an eyeball in and it automatically would work. Obito had to do the operation on Sasuke. I mean, it wasn't a bad chapter but that just doesn't make sense.

I agree. There were lots of explanations to be done and there are still some. Wonder if kishimoto is just rushing all this

 

[Legitimate]

Once you have ems, it's different. Did you ever notice sasuke's ems eyes do not bleed sometimes when he is using low level enton but bleeds when he is using powerful one. This could mean that once you have EMS, your body is different. Not just the eyes.

At this time, Sasuke was using MS.

If he doesn't need his eyes, why activate EMS? Stupid and dumb logic. It's just a waste of chakra to activate EMs if he didn't need his eyes.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

If he doesn't need his eyes, why activate EMS? Stupid and dumb logic. It's just a waste of chakra to activate EMs if he didn't need his eyes.

Madara masters susanoo more than Sasuke and has used it countless times. Adding to the fact that some techniques do not need too much eye power, his mastery can take it to this level maybe....lol.

 

[TrollingSage]

I may be able to overlook the susano shenanigan but the eyeball thing is where I draw the line
Kishi and logic have clearly had a disagreement.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

I may be able to overlook the susano shenanigan but the eyeball thing is where I draw the line
Kishi and logic have clearly had a disagreement.

I agree with you. Hopefully, madara might have just implanted it and the eye hasn't even healed. If Madara uses rinnegan in next chapter when his eyes haven't been healed by a technique or whatever, then it's definitely plot hole.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Madara obtained EMS. Besides, He still could use susanoo when he had rinnegan and no mangekyou. Rinnegan has never been shown to do mangekyou techniques. Perhaps he can pass without his eyes.

I know it may be a flaw but I want to debate on it first

we are both arguing something that really happened in the Manga.

the difference is, you're trying to add up something that contradicts the already established facts/requirements for acquiring Susanoo and we already had more than one case of Susanoo users failing to maintain it because of going blind, which means if the special Sharingan that has the special requirements is gone then you have no Susanoo.

besides i would have considered the fact that he had EMS and it's relation with Susanoo only IF he used PS not a normal Susanoo (MS tech), having EMS doesn't give him a ticket to use Sharingan tech while being blind.

you said that he used Susanoo while activating the Rinnegan but, he had both at the same set of eyes, Madara now has EMPTY eye sockets and somehow kishi gave him Susanoo ......................... that's a mess.