[Clearing confusions]True order of events connected with Kaguya, Hagoromo, Hamura

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I saw a lot of doubts/confusions about Hagoromo, Hamura, Kaguya, Juubi. The order of these events as well, so here I will try to clear any these confusions, so please bare with me.

Here the order of unveiling events about them :

1) Kaguya eats forbidden fruit and gains Holy power
2) Kaguya give birth/create Hagoromo/Hamura (possibly by accident or maybe she was pregnant before eating forbidden fruit)
3) Kaguya cares about Hagoromo and Hamura rising them, somehow she becomes normal mother
4) Hagoromo and Hamura grown up from childhood spreading chakra other, at least Hagoromo was
5) Kaguya stops caring as Hamura and Hagoromo are not children and she found out that HER chakra was spreaded
6) Kaguya cast limited IT on people before, trying to regain chakra but it wasn't enough
7) Kaguya loses her mind or get so mad that somehow absorb God Tree changing in Juubi
8) Juubi attack everyone trying to regain spreader by Kaguya's sons chakra. Finally Hagoromo and Hamura try to stop her.
9) Hagormo and Hamura beat Juubi then places their yin-yang seal sealing Juubi in Hagoromo
10) Hamura sacrifices himself stopping IT(assumption). Hagoromo recreate the world after their battle against Juubi
11) Hagoromo lives as Juubi Jinchurki keep teaching Ninshu to people while thinking Kaguya died/disappeared.
12) Ashura and Indra as born and Hagoromo cares about them(possible Hagoromo had wife before becoming Juubi jin)
13) At death bed Hagoromo unseal Juubi seperating it's chakra from body. From the chakra he creates tailed beasts giving them form while sending empty Juubi's husk in space.
14) Hagoromo chooses Ashura as successor then dies from old age and exeggerating yourself too much.
15) Hagoromo dies loosing human body becoming chakra spirit while Ashura and Indra conflict begin.

Assumptions based on manga facts:
- Kaguya was pregnant before eating forbidden fruit
- Hagoromo impregnates normal woman before fighting Juubi
- Hagoromo and Hamura used same seal on Juubi but they sealed it in Hagoromo instead. when kaguya turned in mass of chakra Bijuu were already shown as separated while before Hagoromo did it It was Just Juubi so Juubi was sealed in Hagoromo
- Hamura sacrificed his life stopping IT/ or get back to his family being forgotten by Black Zetsu
- Hagoromo find out about his lover/wife giving birth so Ashura and Indra are born

Thanks for reading !
Feel free to as me anything I will try my best

 

[Sasori]

10/10 would read again .

 

[Zol]

The problem is that BZ said Hagoromo and Hamura sealed her/Juubi through her becoming the core of a Chibaku Tensei (as happened again when Naruto/Sasuke sealed her). That seems to contradict them sealing her into Hagoromo.

Maybe her chakraless body, the Gedo Mazou, was sealed in the moon and they sealed just the chakra in Hagoromo?

 

[Antichrist]

Just one guy can turn your events into a mess

Which is

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Spiral Zetsu

 

[Zol]

Just one guy can turn your events into a mess

Which is

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Spiral Zetsu

How? For all we know, he is just another victim of Mugen Tsukuyomi.

 

[KCMNaruto]

The problem is that BZ said Hagoromo and Hamura sealed her/Juubi through her becoming the core of a Chibaku Tensei (as happened again when Naruto/Sasuke sealed her). That seems to contradict them sealing her into Hagoromo.

Maybe her chakraless body, the Gedo Mazou, was sealed in the moon and they sealed just the chakra in Hagoromo?

Yeah It could be...

However let's take a look at this scan:

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^^ Black Zetsu states specifically only about THE JUUBI BEING TURNED INTO CORE OF CHIBAKU TENSEI and it's become Moon.

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^^ Here Black Zetsu also explains as Kaguya was part of the Juubi.

Remember also that Black Zetsu was reffering To Gedo mazou as Juubi/ten tails body.. so we can not be sure what he meant.

I believe the flashback in the lastest chapter shows how Hagoromo and Hamura placed seal on Juubi as Kaguya watches it from inside. They sealed it in Hagoromo and Juubi wasn't split back then so Whole Juubi was sealed into Hagoromo(9 beats + Rabbit(Kaguya)).

What black Zetsu reffer to is Gedo mazou being sealed into moon while Hagoromo created tailed beasts using Ten tails chakra.

 

[Antichrist]

How? For all we know, he is just another victim of Mugen Tsukuyomi.

Because

For all we know , he is not just a normal victim of Mugen Tsukuyomi .

 

[KCMNaruto]

Thanks everyone for your opinion, if someone want to contribute then please feel free to share your opinion

 

[Seventh Sama]

I thought hagoromo spread chakra after he became a Juubi Jin .-.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I thought hagoromo spread chakra after he became a Juubi Jin .-.

Yeah he did it also after becoming Juubi Jin, but there is reasonable to think he tried somehow to spread maybe even Kaguya chakra without her knowledge to people , that why Kaguya got mad and wanted chakra back but she was unable to blame her own sons. She accepted her sons having chakra along with her but Noone else. However until Hagoromo and Hamura stopped her she stopped seeing them as loving sons and wanted all chakra their sons as well.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Yeah he did it also after becoming Juubi Jin, but there is reasonable to think he tried somehow to spread maybe even Kaguya chakra without her knowledge to people , that why Kaguya got mad and wanted chakra back but she was unable to blame her own sons. She accepted her sons having chakra along with her but Noone else. However until Hagoromo and Hamura stopped her she stopped seeing them as loving sons and wanted all chakra their sons as well.

I guess that kinda makes sense, Since hagoromo did say that kaguya used MT on people but kept them alive so she can use their "power". I'm guessing "their power" is chakra? If not then how did kaguya use any power if the people back then were chakraless?
Unless kaguya's shinju roots gives people chakra, Which is highly unlikely there Ill take your explanation.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I guess that kinda makes sense, Since hagoromo did say that kaguya used MT on people but kept them alive so she can use their "power". I'm guessing "their power" is chakra? If not then how did kaguya use any power if the people back then were chakraless?
Unless kaguya's shinju roots gives people chakra, Which is highly unlikely there Ill take your explanation.

I believe the only reason she used IT on them was because Hagoromo and maybe Hamura too spread their chakra teaching Ninshu and trying to connect souls via chakra to stop evil feelings in people just like they saw their mother did bUT USING FORCE. Kaguya found out people got chakra then she casted IT then absorbed God Tree turning into Juubi as it got on rampage getting chakra back, killing people in process who were under IT. However she never supposed two her own sons try to stop her and seal her it it what happened. I wonder only if IT was stopped before Hagoromo and Hamura fought Juubi, so Juubi searched for them or IT was stopped after battle of Hagoromo and Hamura against Juubi so they searched to stop Juubi

 

[Seventh Sama]

I believe the only reason she used IT on them was because Hagoromo and maybe Hamura too spread their chakra teaching Ninshu and trying to connect souls via chakra to stop evil feelings in people just like they saw their mother did bUT USING FORCE. Kaguya found out people got chakra then she casted IT then absorbed God Tree turning into Juubi as it got on rampage getting chakra back, killing people in process who were under IT. However she never supposed two her own sons try to stop her and seal her it it what happened. I wonder only if IT was stopped before Hagoromo and Hamura fought Juubi, so Juubi searched for them or IT was stopped after battle of Hagoromo and Hamura against Juubi so they searched to stop Juubi

I just realized that would contradict BZ's statement since kaguya only got mad at her child for being able to wield chakra not mad at people for having chakra. anyways i just thought of a possibility that even if the previous MT victims didn't have chakra, They still had Lifeforce. So kaguya could've used lifeforce as a source of power at that time.

I think that hagoromo & hamura fought kaguya/Juubi during MT, Since i too think that hamura sacrificed himself to stop MT.

 

[Vicmann]

Great read. I too believe that this happened.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Hagoromo didn't split the juubi on his deathbed. He split the juubi, and that killed him.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Hagoromo didn't split the juubi on his deathbed. He split the juubi, and that killed him.

maybe, depeds on interpretation