clear up thread.

[Vandenre1ch]

I agree, I think TBB and RasenShuriken alone could take out CT, I believe Itachi only said use your strongest move because he felt like his might have not been enough. I'm not too sure how strong his Yasaka Magatama is but I believe they would have gotten the job done, he just wanted to be sure so he took that extra step.

Madara's Yasaka Magatama couldn't fully break through Gaara Sand+Onoki Golem. Does that help out a little bit?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Hypocritical uchihards these days.....
All your saying is genjutsu this and genjutsu that. Can you explain yourself for once? Minato has excellent chakra control and a tactical genius. He can quickly break out of Itachi's genjutsu and don't say Itachi will blitz him before that. Minato has excellent reaction time and FTG which is instant.
Just waiting on the "Tsukyomi Soloes" rant.

Orochimaru too had excellent chakra control, raikage has one too, both fallen into regular 3t genjutsu, even kabuto was respecting it. Kakashi was the only one needing tsukuyomi to know his place.
Dont BS around with chakra control.

Madara's Yasaka Magatama couldn't fully break through Gaara Sand+Onoki Golem. Does that help out a little bit?

Madara used singular magatamas which almost made it, itachi uses 3 at once.

JUst reminds you That
Dragon Jutsu That touches and takes soul

This is his best move, i agree. However nagato is stationary then, can be attacked by ama, arrows even PS slash, destroying gedo should do a job as well.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Since we're going all out :

Katsuyu is not the strongest summon .
Sakura is not even close to be on pair with Sauske or Nauruto .
Mei > Tsunade .
Konan > Tsunade .
Oro is the strongest Sannin.
Naruto > Sauske , right now .

I agree with all of this.

 

[Prestonyoko]

Hypocritical uchihards these days.....

All your saying is genjutsu this and genjutsu that. Can you explain yourself for once? Minato has excellent chakra control and a tactical genius. He can quickly break out of Itachi's genjutsu and don't say Itachi will blitz him before that. Minato has excellent reaction time and FTG which is instant.

Just waiting on the "Tsukyomi Soloes" rant.

Lmao, how stupid do you sound right now?

Minato has NEVER been shown to escape Genjutsu

Itachi has trapped EVERYONE he has fought in a Genjutsu.

Ay, a KAGE level shinobi, Yagura, a KAGE level shinobi, Hiruzen, a KAGE level Shinobi, had all FALLEN to GENJUTSU. That "Kage have perfect chakra control & are immune to Genjutu BS" won't work.

Itachi has been hailed a Genuis as well xd


Its more like you saying FTG this & FTG that, sthu you obv lost this debate.

:bye:

 

[Draphsin]

Some things i want to clear up because there is a large number of stupidity in the base.

Juubito > anyone. (Sage and his sons are excluded)

Naruto > sasuke. Simple

Current Sage mode Madara with rinnegan > hashirama

SM hashirama > all forms of madara except current madara

Minato > alive itachi

EMS sasuke > Nagato

Hiruzen is the weakest kage tying with tsunade

Senju > uchiha

Shinsuusenju Still can't be countered

These are the ones on top of my head.

let me know if i missed any obvious ones.

Bolds are false though..

 

[Limbo]

How bout no?
Current Madara-sama>Juubito
Agree on Nardo>sauce
Edo Madara and Current Madara> all forms of fodderama
Itachi>all forms of minato
Sauce<Nagato
Hiruzen>all kages to ever exist
Uchiha>senju
Rinbo Hengoku>shinsenjuu
/thread

 

[reizon]

ems sasuke>>nagato.!!

this made you look really dumb.!!

other that this, i can live with all the others.!!

 

[Kαmi]

Madara's Yasaka Magatama couldn't fully break through Gaara Sand+Onoki Golem. Does that help out a little bit?

Well the sand and the golem would be a much stronger defense than the orb don't you think? Even still, Madara's Susano'o attacks are probably greater than Itachi's Susano'o attacks (no spirit weapons included). That's partly why I'm unsure. Attacking the orb early on, I would think Yasaka Magatama would have been enough. But Itachi seemed to imply it wasn't. So I really don't know man

 

[Prestonyoko]

Who else has something to say about Minatard > Itachi, nobody yet has STILL found a way on how Minato defeats Itachi.

OPEN YOUR EYES

Itachi >>>>>>> Minato

 

[-immortal-]

How bout no?
Current Madara-sama>Juubito
Agree on Nardo>sauce
Edo Madara and Current Madara> all forms of fodderama
Itachi>all forms of minato
Sauce<Nagato
Hiruzen>all kages to ever exist
Uchiha>senju
Rinbo Hengoku>shinsenjuu
/thread

sasuke > nagato lul

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Orochimaru too had excellent chakra control, raikage has one too, both fallen into regular 3t genjutsu, even kabuto was respecting it. Kakashi was the only one needing tsukuyomi to know his place.
Dont BS around with chakra control.

Maybe I was too lineant. What I meant to say was that Minato has perfect chakra control according to the manga and all those guys fell into genjutsu because they looked an Uchiha's EYES. Eye contact must be avoided and Minato is a tactical genius and wont look into Itachi eyes. Eye contact has to be forced.

Madara used singular magatamas which almost made it, itachi uses 3 at once.

So your saying Itachi's 3YM can blow up a large mass of earth known as CB while Madara's stronger 5+ Magatamas couldn't break through a small shield of earth and sand?

 

[Wolfus]

Though I dislike both itachi and sasuke, I'll have to say this:
Itachi> minato(without kyuubi)
Sasuke> nagato

Minato doesn't have enough power to break susanoo with yata, and he doesn't have the defense to tank itachi's atacks. Sure, he can escape amaterasu by using FTG, but all he can do is escape.
If itachi is smart enough, he can try to see a pattern in minato's movement, and using a clone, he can get the hit and finish minato.

As for sasuke: Though his PS is not as powerful as madara's, it is still very powerful, and it's power is arround 50% kurama, most likely. Nagato has no counter for the shockwave of the slashes, or the speed to avoid them.
The bigger problem will be the gedo mazo. However, the statue has shown no feats to destroy sasuke's PS, and that soul-rip move, sasuke can either dodge or block it with his susanoo. Many slashes will also be able to remove it from the battle.
The other problem would be CT. But the early sphere can be destroyed by continous slashes of PS.
Remember that sasuke is very skilled in taijutsu and kenjutsu, which used correctly, could be way to battle nagato.

 

[AlphaScythian]

So your saying Itachi's 3YM can blow up a large mass of earth known as CB while Madara's stronger 5+ Magatamas couldn't break through a small shield of earth and sand?

All i said that 3ym do more damage then 1. Madaras YMs werent stronger they used same level of susanoo. At initial stage CT isnt a large mass of earth you pretend to be.

 

[King Of Pop]

its a fact . Due to kyubi clock sasuke was able to summon and sustain p.s or what ever that shit was.

Do u know what a fact is? Bring a page where it stated that the cloak was responsible for sasuke bringing forth ps? If you had read the manga well you wuld know that He brought it out without any stupid cloak. What you labelled as fact is your BS

OT Also EMS Sasuke > Itachi, but Itachi > alive minato

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Lmao, how stupid do you sound right now?

Minato has NEVER been shown to escape Genjutsu

Itachi has trapped EVERYONE he has fought in a Genjutsu.

Ay, a KAGE level shinobi, Yagura, a KAGE level shinobi, Hiruzen, a KAGE level Shinobi, had all FALLEN to GENJUTSU. That "Kage have perfect chakra control & are immune to Genjutu BS" won't work.

Itachi has been hailed a Genuis as well xd


Its more like you saying FTG this & FTG that, sthu you obv lost this debate.

:bye:

-I never said Kages are immune to genjutsu
-Itachi's dangerous genjutsu only works via eye-contact
-Minato can break of any genjutsu quickly if its not a sharigan type
-Why are you insulting so many people? you mad?
-Everyone you named fell to a SHARIGAN genjutsu.
-Orochimaru didnt know better
-Eye-Contact was FORCED for Ay
-Kabuto fell to a forbidden absolute genjustu
-All of Itachi's attacks are too slow for Minato
-Is "Itachi wins via Genjutsu" all you got?

Well the sand and the golem would be a much stronger defense than the orb don't you think? Even still, Madara's Susano'o attacks are probably greater than Itachi's Susano'o attacks (no spirit weapons included). That's partly why I'm unsure. Attacking the orb early on, I would think Yasaka Magatama would have been enough. But Itachi seemed to imply it wasn't. So I really don't know man

I just don't think Itachi has power to destroy it since Magatama doesn't explode on impact(We've seen it used 3 times and it didn't explode). It simply collides with whatever it hits. Against Kabuto, Yasaka just smashed into the wall and Madara's was stopped clean. CB will have quite a bit of debree shielding it. I think Itachi knew HE ALONE couldn't stop CB.

 

[Minator93]

For those complaining about Minato >> Itachi

Imma post my quote

No one can feel or sense the FTG marking or Minato's chakra[when he utilizes it for FTG] because of what we've seen U_U

Alive Minato is above Alive Itachi with Med Diff
KCM Edo Minato as one member said "Murder-Stomps" Edo Itachi

People who say how can Minato seal him need to slap themselves U_U

Also if anyone's gonna argue then be prepared. Imma drop how Alive Minato up until 560 beats the Final Itachi, getting past the Susanoo is included as well! With Current FTG haxx and non-KCM feats he goes even above U_U

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Minato wins this,he has all the answers to Itachi's attacks and can come out as the victor if the two of them were to face each other in ideal conditions.

Read the following

Minato vs Sharingan Itachi :

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Minato can beat Sharingan Itachi.

Minato has more speed,raw strength,chakra, powerful summons, seals.

Further he did beat Sharingan Tobi [MS Obito].

Minato vs Amaterasu :

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A Few thing from wiki :

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A using his Lightning Release Armour enhanced Body Flicker Technique avoided a short-range Amaterasu launched at him by Sasuke in an instant.

The only thing that the flames have failed to burn into or through is Gaara's chakra-infused sand. However, the flames burn fairly slowly, sometimes allowing anyone struck by Amaterasu an opportunity to remove whatever clothing or body parts have been caught ablaze. Nagato was able to deflect the flames from his body using Shinra Tensei. Use of the technique also puts a great deal of strain on the user, usually causing their eyes to bleed.

Minato dodged A's FULL speed the picture is in the Susanoo section below.
We've seen that A who wasn't even using his full speed dodged Sasuke's Amaterasu [Which according to Shee was better than Itachi's] at very close range. So Minato can do the same with more ease.

So even if Minato gets hit by Amaterasu he being the fastest of them all and thanks to s/t can save himself by teleporting himself back to his safe house. He did this when Tobi had bombed new-born Naruto.

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Plus Itachi can't use Amaterasu very often it affects him badly because he lacks the Eternal

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One more thing Jiraya sealed Amaterasu. So its safe to assume that Minato being the sealing master he is can do the same with more ease.

Minato vs Tsukuyomi :

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Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed. Its a short Ranged Genjutsu and to my knowledge the root knew about it and It hasn't killed a single soul.

Guy was confident to go up against Itachi w/out Eye contact a Jounin os his calibre can fight w/pot eye contact. Further its common knowledge that when fighting a Sharingan user avoid eye contact and that can be done.

For Itachi to trap Minato in tsukuyomi Minato need to look directly into hie eyes and that to at a cllose range which Minato will never do.

In fact Itachi can't afford to keep Minato at a close range because Minato is bad close range match up.

I mean look at all his fights all he does is to get close to the opponent, All those fodders, Tobi even A the raikage...all those pictures are posted below.

Minato vs Susanoo :

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Minato can get past Itachi's complete Susanoo -

Here are some photos that shows that Minato can teleport in a radius of few meters around the FTG Kunai

Look at the distance

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Appearing directly above Tobi

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Marked Tobi's Back but attacked from the front

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Teleporting himself to the Kunai

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This is the width of Itachi's Complete Susanoo

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From the above data its pretty clear than minato can get past the susanoo via FTG Kunai i.e. Teleporting Inside of it.

Further once Minato's done that Itachi's end is fixed because his body is under enormous amount of pain He won't be able to defend himself.

There are other ways as well such as marking the ground or stones etc.

Minato can attack the susanoo itself :

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Here we can see that Danzo used his Summon against Sasuke's Offensive, long Ranged Complete Susanoo

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And it reduced the Susanoo to the incomplete state, the only reason it failed becasue Fire worked against the wind.

In Minato and Itachi's case Minato can use this on Itachi's Defensive Susanoo

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Don't forget Gamabunata has water style that has advantage against Fire style.

Also this is the same summon that went up against Strong Rinnegan summons held its own against a tailed beast Shukaku and restrained a complete Kurama

Plus Minato can use this as well

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The three most powerful toads :

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Also before saying BS like Itachi can control them via genjutsu Consider Itachi's state and the Chakra being drained from his body [used for maintaining MS and Susanoo]. He can't do shit against them. He is not Nagato!

In fact now that I think about it Itachi cant put up a descent fight if he has to go through all these summmons.

This could also be the thing why Jiraya was so confident when we was up against Itachi and Kisame

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I mean yeah Itachi never intended to fight but I have 1 question, Has Jiraya ever underestimated his opponent or boasted that He would kill someone who's power would be greater than his ?

Don't you remember what he did before going up against Pain?, He summoned Gerotora because Pain was the only opponent Jiraya wasn't sure about.

One more thing before posting the pic that show Itachi blocking the Rinnegan view with shuriken, The Rinnegan summons don't think for themself they just do what the Rinnegan user wishes that's why they just charge at the opponent w/out thinking or w/out any strategy.

Minato avoiding Direct eye-contacnt against Tobi :

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I honestly didn't spend the time to read all of that, because I already agree with you.

I will however like to mention another possible strategy.

Minato has the space time barrier, allowing him to transport any projectile wherever he wants. This is frankly a secret OP jutsu. Just think. He could have Gama shoot a water cannonball and then warp it INTO Itachi's Susanoo. That should be entirely within the realm of possibility. Similarly, Minato could also warp one of his kunai into Susanoo, allowing him to teleport into it.

I just wanted to add another possible strategy to Minato's arsenal.

Edit: Also a possible argument to those of you saying that he would look into Itachi's eyes because he did against Tobi, a possible explanation is that Minato, knowing that Tobi was already using a genjutsu to control the fox, would be unable to use it on Minato at the same time. So Minato, understanding that he was not threatened by genjutsu, freely looked into Tobi's eyes.

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Kishimoto has already answered in his fanbook that anyone with toad contract can summon Ma and Pa. If Minato does that

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[Bronze]

Some things i want to clear up because there is a large number of stupidity in the base.

Juubito > anyone. (Sage and his sons and Madara are excluded)

Naruto > sasuke. Simple

Current Sage mode Madara with rinnegan/ Edo Madara> hashirama

SM hashirama > all forms of madara except current madara and Edo Madara

BM/KCM Minato > alive itachi

EMS sasuke > Nagato

Hiruzen is the weakest kage tying with tsunade

Senju < uchiha

Shinsuusenju can be countered by Meteor, massive TBB, Chibaku Tensie, Rinbo and many more.

Yes i am retarded and always have flawz in my head and threads. Madara Rules will always correct them for me because he is intelligent and like a daddy to me.

There, i fixed the flawz you made.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

You forgot:


PLOT > Anyone and everyone.

 

[Flawž]

Flawz is owning once again

I'll add one thing, Rinnegan Tobi with Gunbai and Gedo Mazo >> Current Madara

Aha yes sir

And agreed. Current madara is over ratted. U_U

There, i fixed the flawz you made.

Fanfiction is not allowed here.

 

[Pirate King]

Nagato rapes sasuke