Clear up: Kaguya power & The Fruit's future!

[Vega]

CREDITS TO iNotorious for VIZ SCAN Hello. In this thread I want to address some misconceptions I have seen regarding Kaguya ALWAYS being superior to Hagoromo.

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Hagoromo here says that Mother was stronger than any other. But the thing is that his mother was most likely not ALWAYS stronger than him. In fact, Kaguya was most likely only stronger than him AFTER eating the Shinju Fruit. Let's recall: Obito stated that once the Hagoromo became the Juubi's Jinchuriki, he was beyond a "human".

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More than that, when Obito became the Juubi's Jin. he was said to be on the tier of Hagoromo (or practically the same as stated by Madara).

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So it is pretty self-explanatory that Juubi Jin=God level. Now let's recall at Kaguya.

• Madara stated that Kaguya ate the fruit so she could win the wars of her time:

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• Next Hagormo mentions again that with the power she gained from the fruit she was able to subdue the battles. (Bottom left)

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Meaning that prior to eating the Fruit, Kaguya was not able to stop the wars and therefore weaker than a Jinchuuriki Hagoromo. So this means that the consuming the Fruit will make you stronger than a Juubi Jinchuuriki. Now here is what I think may be possible:

• Madara wants to eat the tree's fruit
• Even though as a Juubi's Jinchuuriki, he knows that should Naruto and Sasuke return to fight he will probably lose.

Meaning, if the Shinju blooms, the fruit will probably be at top considering it was only 15 minutes away from blooming.

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Whoever has knowledge on this matter will aim to consume it. As of now the only ones who probably have intel on this is Madara and Rikudo Sennin. Rikudo stated he wishes to "entrust" something to Naruto. Perhaps the Rikudo will tell Naruto to either:

• Eat the fruit before Madara can thus winning this war
• Or to stop Madara from eating the fruit so history does not repeat itself and the sins will be atoned for. ( I am leaning towards this one at the moment)

I personally believe it makes more sense if Rikudo tells Naruto to NOT eat the fruit. Why? He stated that him and his brother fought the Juubi in part of repenting for his mother's sins. I doubt that he would suggest Naruto to do so, but I will leave it as a possibility.

General Summary:

• Kaguya was stronger than Hagoromo only after eating the fruit
• The Shinju Fruit grants strength greater than the Juubi's Jinchuuriki
• Hagormo may have to tell Naruto what to do about this Fruit
• Naruto will either Stop the Fruit from being consumed
• Or eat it himself (I lean towards the previous option)

Thank you, Vega. Kishi definitely had influences from Dragon Ball Z: Fruit of the Tree of Might Turles Eats fruit from basically a god tree granting him tremendous power.

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[Joker]

Sure, why not?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Sakura will eat the god tree's fruit

OT: What you've said is reasonable

 

[Benjamin King]

I disagree with Kaguya being strongest or stronger than even Jinchuuriki. If she was really that powerful, she would have faced the Juubi instead of her own sons. Furthermore, Ninjutsu was not invented during her time, and all she can utilize is chakra nothing more. We have no idea what sort of powers the fruit grants, and she very well didn't possess Rinnegan.

Hagoromo might have just said his mother was ''strongest'' as sign of respect to his mother. Not to mention, Hagoromo has no idea of modern day Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu. There is no way she is the strongest or even stronger than Juubi.

 

[-Drāke-]

Sakura will eat the god tree's fruit

OT: What you've said is reasonable

No Hinata, Hanabi, Udon, or Kiba will eat the fruit
Soure: me

 

[Hàdes1]

I disagree with Kaguya being strongest or stronger than even Jinchuuriki. If she was really that powerful, she would have faced the Juubi instead of her own sons. Furthermore, Ninjutsu was not invented during her time, and all she can utilize is chakra nothing more. We have no idea what sort of powers the fruit grants, and she very well didn't possess Rinnegan.

Hagoromo might have just said his mother was ''strongest'' as sign of respect to his mother. Not to mention, Hagoromo has no idea of modern day Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu. There is no way she is the strongest or even stronger than Juubi.

She ate the source of all powers

of course she is the strongest

 

[Benjamin King]

She ate the source of all powers

of course she is the strongest

The fruit doesn't have source of all powers. I don't know where you got that fallacy from. She doesn't possess Rinnegan. Ninjutsu was invented after her era.

 

[Umari Senju]

The question I have is. Did Kaguya give birth to her son's then eat the fruit or did she eat the fruit, qualled the fighting then gave birth to her sons?

Because if she ate the fruit then her sons where born, then she would have always been stonger than her sons and your theory would be somewhat inacturate leaving many other questions.

However, she gave birth to her sons then ate the fruit, than yes, your threory has merit.

 

[Sot viing hun]

A fruit with a power that great that apparently surpasses that of a Juubi jinchuuriki is going to appear out of nowhere in a matter of minutes after the Shinju just transformed into its final form?

Seems crazy to me but w/e, we've got crazier stuff by now.

 

[Draphsin]

To your first point, if kaguya chose not to eat the fruit then hagoromo wouldn't be powerful either, so in a way hagoromo was only powerful after the fruit as well.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Kaguya ate the fruit before giving birth to the Sage bro., hence why they actually HAVE chakra to begin with

 

[Umari Senju]

Kaguya ate the fruit before giving birth to the Sage bro., hence why they actually HAVE chakra to begin with

That's what I thought. I wasn't sure I missed something. So wouldn't she have been more powerful than them, at least up until the point the Rikudo became the Juubi Jin at least. Though she probably was already dead by then since The rikudo and his brother were probably in their 30's or 40s by the time they faced the Juubi (just speculation on my part)

 

[FemmeFatale]

Sakura is the fruit lol, she blooms on the battle Feild,

 

[-Drāke-]

Sakura is the fruit lol, she blooms on the battle Feild,

*Get's on one knee*
Femme-chan, will you marry me? flirty:

 

[SIX PATHZ]

i think kaguya eat the fruit before giving the birth to sage.madara mention that already in that panel. sage also had a power of that fruit.thats why he is powerful in bigining.

 

[Vega]

Kaguya ate the fruit before giving birth to the Sage bro., hence why they actually HAVE chakra to begin with

We don't need to look at it like that, my point is that Kaguya was only stronger than the Rikudo because of the Fruit's powers which leads me to believe that the Shinju's fruit grants the consumer power greater than that received from the Juubi's jinchuuriki.

 

[TehMastermind]

Can't see a completely new person to be the villian, I see it to be orichimaru

 

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Jealous of my love for Femme it seems

 

[Ultimateone]

I disagree with Kaguya being strongest or stronger than even Jinchuuriki. If she was really that powerful, she would have faced the Juubi instead of her own sons. Furthermore, Ninjutsu was not invented during her time, and all she can utilize is chakra nothing more. We have no idea what sort of powers the fruit grants, and she very well didn't possess Rinnegan.

Hagoromo might have just said his mother was ''strongest'' as sign of respect to his mother. Not to mention, Hagoromo has no idea of modern day Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu. There is no way she is the strongest or even stronger than Juubi.

people have to get over this whole argument about ninjutsu not being invented or whatever. what all of you are failing to realize is that she possessed the purest form of chakra straight from the fruit. she also knew how to use her chakra as a weapong, which is basically what ninjutsu is molding chakra into a weapon. but judging from a panel that we saw of her waving her arms and lightning striking, she had control over nature itself. unlike ninjutsu users of the modern naruto timeline she commands the earth itself thats to having the power of a god. there is nothing anybody could do to her with modern ninjutsu that she couldn't do a thousand times over. even with people having scorch, mokuton, magnet or whatever other style they have developed over the years. also hogoromo does have an idea of modern day jutsu. did you miss the part when he says he has been traveling through time learning, so that he could see what was to come of ninshuu?

well you have to realize that she was always more powerful than the sage. she ate the fruit before having him and his brother. remember they were only born with chakra because she had already ate the chakra fruit. so she was more powerful than anybody. but you are right in assuming, based on the info we have that she was stronger than a juubi jin.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

The fruit doesn't have source of all powers. I don't know where you got that fallacy from. She doesn't possess Rinnegan. Ninjutsu was invented after her era.

Your right she doesn't have a Rinnegan. She has a Rinnegan/Sharingan and Byakugan to boot.