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The same boat I'm talking about then, Shanks came to shore on that boat, did he not?
[Discussion] Clash of the Badass "right hand men"
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Shanks came to shore with boat for a reason, on that panel it was a ship not boat. The OVA clear it anyway, it was a ship.
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She has authority when it comes to navigation. If Nami tells Luffy they need to change direction, and he says, what Nami says goes. He grants her authority until the navigational needs are fulfilled. It's not permanent authority, but it's authority nonetheless. As I said before, if something needs to be done regarding navigation, and she looks at Zoro and says "Raise the anchor", is he gonna wait for Luffy to echo the order because she's has no authority, or is he gonna go do it?
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He would follow Nami's orders since they would most likely work under the assumption that Luffy would let the navigator inform the crew on what the best route is, but if Luffy says no, the crew will do what she says.
No it's not authority, it's just doing your job. A worker has no authority in a factory when he tells his superior that they should to change a machine when it's not working. A company driver has no authority when he tells his superior that they should go left in order to avoid a traffic jam. No, it's called doing your job and it's up to the superior to decide. However if the superior in question disagree for one reason or another, he isn't doing shit. Same goes for Nami
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The difference is the worker would be requesting, nami is barking out imperatives
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au·thor·i·ty
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the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience.
The job comes with authority. She can give orders, such as telling others to raise the sails, lift the anchor. She can make decisions, such as where they have to turn next, and the best course of action for the navigation needed.
A company worker has authority when he tells his superior something needs fixing, the superior agrees, and then the worker tells others what to bring him and do in order to fix it. Luffy decides "Yes, you're right, let's change direction." Nami then makes the decisions of what to do to change direction, where to go, what course to set, and the others obey her instructions.
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( '_') ('_' ) (._. ) ( ._.) Oh sorry, I'm just looking for where I said this isn't true or how this disproves my post.
Vice-captain = A person who deputizes for a captain and serves in his or her place during his or her absence or indisposition
Vice-captain = A person who takes charge whenever the captain chikens out from his duties
Originally Usopp wanted to be the one
But, himself admitted later that he was joking(and no one was taking it seriously)
Infact, Usopp would have never come back in the crew if both Luffy or Zoro didn't agree(notice that when Luffy feigns not to hear something, Chopper look back to Zoro to wait for his decision)
Usopp is the one who reports to Zoro what happened to Luffy:
Zoro on the other side is the one who use the information to support Luffy and the crew
Zoro doesn't care when Luffy acts like an idiot in the crew, he let the dynamic within the crew happen like a real family, but when something happens that endangers the crew, its hierarchy, its future, he is the one who takes charge, he is the one who reminds Luffy of his duties, supports him and take his place if need be
Zoro didn't request anything here, no he ordered not to allow Usopp to come back and Luffy listened. He ordered here because Luffy was chiken out of his duties and decided to take charge
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People often minimize the importance of this scene, but this scene was to portray Zoro as the vice-captain, the one who will take the captain's burden. It was a symbolic moment where Zoro replaced Luffy and Oda would have never portrayed anyone else other than Zoro to do the job because Zoro was considering himself as the vice-captain, as the only one who should have done it at that moment, hence he kicked Sanji out of the way
That's why he is the vice-captain, that's why he is regarded as one in the manga, that's why Oda portrays him as one. It doesn't come from nowhere.
That's why Zoro's decision in the crew is often portrayed as the most important, that's why whenever Luffy is absent, the group becomes Zoro's
And regardless if people are going to accept this or not, regardless if he one day gets the official title or not, it won't change this
Vice-captain = A person who takes charge whenever the captain chikens out from his duties
Originally Usopp wanted to be the one
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But, himself admitted later that he was joking(and no one was taking it seriously)
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Infact, Usopp would have never come back in the crew if both Luffy or Zoro didn't agree(notice that when Luffy feigns not to hear something, Chopper look back to Zoro to wait for his decision)
Usopp is the one who reports to Zoro what happened to Luffy:
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Zoro on the other side is the one who use the information to support Luffy and the crew
Zoro doesn't care when Luffy acts like an idiot in the crew, he let the dynamic within the crew happen like a real family, but when something happens that endangers the crew, its hierarchy, its future, he is the one who takes charge, he is the one who reminds Luffy of his duties, supports him and take his place if need be
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Zoro didn't request anything here, no he ordered not to allow Usopp to come back and Luffy listened. He ordered here because Luffy was chiken out of his duties and decided to take charge
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People often minimize the importance of this scene, but this scene was to portray Zoro as the vice-captain, the one who will take the captain's burden. It was a symbolic moment where Zoro replaced Luffy and Oda would have never portrayed anyone else other than Zoro to do the job because Zoro was considering himself as the vice-captain, as the only one who should have done it at that moment, hence he kicked Sanji out of the way
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That's why he is the vice-captain, that's why he is regarded as one in the manga, that's why Oda portrays him as one. It doesn't come from nowhere.
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That's why Zoro's decision in the crew is often portrayed as the most important, that's why whenever Luffy is absent, the group becomes Zoro's
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And regardless if people are going to accept this or not, regardless if he one day gets the official title or not, it won't change this
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God damn Terry! XD
She takes charge , as far as telling them where to go.. But when luffy doesn't like it, that charge goes nowhere. If the captain of the ship hardly gives orders, why expect the first mate to do? lol.
Just as you can't seperate "Similar to a vice-captain" for one person, while no other statement being made for any of the other crew members. "similar to a vice-captain" (dependent on when it was said) can simply serve as a vague statement that will allow Oda to changge things if he wished, just smart media talk. "Similar to a vice-captain".. that alone puts him at a higher authority than anyone but luffy.
Bad example.
Can you show me where he said "he isn't a vice-captain"?? I don't know where the interview is.. but refer back to the top. Luffy also a combatant, thats his primary role on the ship. First mate is not Nami.. rofl. Nami does her job which is to navigate. Who is the one person in the entire bloody crew, that luffy went to look for and tried to recruit without a no? Zoro. His importance as far as the strawhats go is far above anyone else's (besides luffy).
She takes charge , as far as telling them where to go.. But when luffy doesn't like it, that charge goes nowhere. If the captain of the ship hardly gives orders, why expect the first mate to do? lol.
But 1 issue, in the Strawhats Zoro is the closest to Luffy. Its been shown over and over , to deny it at this point.
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What a load, It's all irrelevant. Sacrificing yourself doesn't make you a first mate. If some stranger who never met you thinks you're the first mate, that doesn't make you the first mate. One lecture in part 1 of One Piece doesn't make you the first mate.
This can be done for every strawhat.
Sanji lectured Luffy multiple times, he sacrificed himself on the Arc Maxim for Nami and Usopp (Yeah he did it before it was cool), He hands out orders even to groups outside of the strawhats. So according to your list he qualifies as well. But it still doesn't make Sanji the first mate.
Also it's completely redundant to have a second in charge within a group of 9 people.
[video=youtube;JY10sZvZv9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY10sZvZv9I[/video]
Zoro just had to copy it..
this.
are ppl on this base this retarded, when a guy has been consistently referred to as the vice captain and first mate oda is implying the case to be true.
on top of that they disregard the databook which adds to that notion. some ppl here debate the most stupid stuff lol
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Of course it doesn't. Because Zoro has been directly referred to as the first mate.
Notice the emphasis on the situations is very different. In Zoro's sacrifice , it was about directly the captain, and sanji was there also. There was no "Zoro just had to copy it" , copy what exactly? He did an entirely different thing, what he said was entirely different also. What the entire situation was about was also entirely different. When the captain is down, its the job of the first mate to look after the crew yea? And thats what he did.
Having authority after luffy, is different from using it. Luffy is the captain, don't matter if he lets the crew be ran like a family. At the end of the day, if he decides nami is wrong , there is nothing nami can do about it (maybe leave). Zoro even stated he usually doesn't care about Luffy's goofing around.
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Yes, yes, let's ignore that Bartolomeo clearly said "He's hailed as the vice-captain(by me)" and that Urouge has no credibility.
Or it portrays that Zoro simply cared enough about the crew and Luffy to die for him, something all of them are willing to do. It doesn't make Zoro special in terms of role at all.
Zoro making failed negotiations with Neptune is comparable to Sanji leading G5. Both men took charge and swayed an opposing force to cooperate with and aid them.
Yup lets ignore the fact that it was Oda who made his characters say those statements and also forgot the fact that no character other than Zoro in crew was considered to be VC by anyone. If he doesn't have any intention of looking at him as VC then why even bother himself by making his characters state something like it? Why didn't any character said same shit about Sanji? Why not Usopp Or Nami?
The thing is that Oda choose Zoro out of all people in crew to replace Luffy which means that he thinks of his as someone who's next to only Luffy in the crew. Luffy always puts his life on the line to save crew not only because he cares enough to give up his life ,It's also because it's Luffy's responsibility to save crew from enemy. Zoro was the one to play that role when Luffy was out of game which implies that crews responsibility stands on Zoro's shoulders when Luffy's not present implying that his position is next to Luffy.
Nami takes charge just like Zoro so it ain't a big deal.
Sanji did something similar to Zoro so it's not a VC thing.
Usopp did this similar to Zoro, Brook did that similar to Zoro so Zoro ain't any different.
You can use as many excuses as you can but one thing that failed to do is that naming a character in the crew who has all those qualities in one person. Surely each character carries one quality of Zoro but what makes him special is that he has all of them in one person which is why he's more of a VC than any other crew member.
If you're talking about holding enemy back so that his crew members can be saved then Zoro already did it at Arlong park.
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If Oda wanted so clearly for everyone to know Zoro was the vice captain don't u think he would have already established it
750 chapters and still no direct line that said Zoro and Vice Captain.. mmmm I think he is trying to tell us something!
Fanboy logic tho
750 chapter One Piece no official etiphet of Zoro being the VC
Fans : Zoro is the VC
750 chapters and still no direct line that said Zoro and Vice Captain.. mmmm I think he is trying to tell us something!
Fanboy logic tho
750 chapter One Piece no official etiphet of Zoro being the VC
Fans : Zoro is the VC
First one to join Shanks wasn't Yasopp. Shanks and crew went on a ship then Shanks took a small boat and went to meet Yasopp on his own.
Are you telling me Bartho and others didn't directly called him VC?
So for you Oda never traied to say anything while making Zoro always fight someone who's strength is next to Luffy's opponent?
He never tried to say anything when he made Zoro take Luffy's role and save crew when Luffy was not around?
He wasn't trying to say anything when he made his characters referred to him as VC?
He wasn't trying to say anything when he gave him second highest bounty?
He wasn't trying to say anything when he made him a supernova along with his captain?
It's not that Oda is telling something, It's just that he portrayed Luffy to be someone who doesn't force his men to follow someone else. Luffy with other crew members can't say that he's my VC and you must follow his orders as even Luffy himself doesn't do such a thing. Oda simply doesn't portray him as such.
Calling people fanboys and acting cool is no good in an argument . It'll just make you look like a joke. No one is blindly saying Zoro is the VC without providing an argument so I don't even get the point of using the word fanboy here. Zoro is without a question undisputed VC of SH crew.
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It's character development. At the beginning of the manga, Zoro wasn't even a concrete member of the crew(despite being part of it), but more like an ally. He'd have never be willing to give up his life for Luffy like he did in thriller bark because he was considering his goal above Luffy and the crew, but only decided to follow him because he had no other choice to still live and fulfil his dreams.
The moment he decided to sacrifice his dream, ambition for Luffy however was the symbolic moment where Oda wanted to show Zoro overcame his own ambitions to be willing to follow and support Luffy as his vice-captain in the crew.
Something you may forget is that strawhats are a new pirate crew who barely stood 1year together(when you count the timeskip), made of 9people or so, with new guys coming one after the other to complete it time after time, not making the actual role of vice-captain necessary. However, Oda is developing Zoro to be one.
The development is still in motion and that's why he is starting to incorporate few characters within his manga to say that so that readers gets accustomed to it and not being surprised when or if it'd actually be made official. Though of course, i suppose people would still want to deny everything even when facing the truth