Clarification : Preta Path Can Absorb Mokuton.

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Clarification : Preta Path Can Absorb Solid Things (Fixed)

Clarification : Preta Path Can Absorb Solid Things, Fixed.

EDIT . My main point was about solid things even though Mokuton was the principal solid I had in mind. Mokuton has been proved wrong (though Madara still absorbed the Shinju) but This theory still stands for any solid thing , Like rock , diamond lava oil etc. Thanks for reading.


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There is a huge misconception about Preta path and the assumption it can't absorb solid things , like Lava release or Hashirama's Mokuton . However , this is false .
I'm on my phone so I'll try to make it as short and simple as possible , please read it completely with an open mind .


I) Jutsus And Chakra .


First of all , Susano'o is the materialisation of the MS user Chakra . The Susano'o Humanoid is created and made of pure chakra and uses chakra to be activated and kept , everything relies on the user chakra .


My point is , ALL jutsus are the MATERIALISATION of the chakra the User spent to use the technique . Which simply means ,

A rasengan by Naruto (which is pure chakra ) is the result of the chakra spent by Naruto ; the jutsu created by the materialisation of Naruto's chakra which has came from Naruto body ; therefore it's based of chakra and can be absorbed by Preta Path.

Which simply means all jutsus are made and used with chakra . Chidori, Katon , Susano'o etc .


Now , Lets move forward the Preta path and the chakra sealing jutsu definition .

II) Preta Path

"The Preta Path (餓鬼道, Gakidō) grants the user the ability to absorb chakra in any form using the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal.
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This ability was primarily defensive in nature as it is capable of absorbing ninjutsu-based techniques, thereby nullifying its effect. This technique can also take the form of a barrier around the user's entire body, allowing them to absorb attacks from all directions. In addition to this, the Preta Path is able to absorb chakra from an individual through physical contact."

"Fūjutsu Kyūin(封術吸印):
A highly advanced sealing technique granted by the Preta Path, that is capable of absorbing any chakra, regardless of any shape or nature transformation, and dispersing it within one's body by spinning the chakra within one's body in the opposite direction. As a result, this technique can absorb any ninjutsu based technique, rendering it ineffective on the user. Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."

Gakido and Fūjutsu Kyūin nullify the nature of the jutsu and absorb it , and as stated, regardless of ANY SHAPE OR NATURE TRANSFORMATION. They can both absorb any ninjutsu BASED technique .


This simply means something like Susano'o , which is an avatar but solid due to the Chakra condensation is totally absorbable . Lava release is a solid jutsu and the result of the chakra that has been spent and therefore as stated above, is absorbed due to the fact that it's chakra based , and the nature of the technique is totally nullified .

Now, let's take a look at an example of the uses of Preta path in a fight and Jinton and his definition.

III) JINTON

"Dust Release (塵遁, Jinton; Viz "Particle Style") is an advanced nature kekkei tōta, an advanced version of kekkei genkai, which is created through simultaneous use of the earth, wind, and fire natures. The techniques of this nature initially form as a small three-dimensional object (e.g. a cube, a cone, etc.) composed of chakra that forms between the user's hands. When the technique is released, the form expands and surrounds the target. This nature allows the user to manipulate molecules, giving them the ability to disintegrate anything on a molecular level within the boundaries of the three-dimensional form."

Jinton is a kekkei tōta and the combination of Three different nature transformation , which gives the user the power to uses MOLECULES in the jutsu which are solid things , not abstract things of NV like Rasengan which is litterally a chakra ball , we are talking about some damn Molecules here .

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Jinton has been absorbed and this is the ultimate proof Preta path can absorb and nullify things regardless of the nature of the jutsus .


IV) The usage In a fight & Conclusion .

It's a matter of opinion , we have seen the Preta path and Fūjutsu Kyūin in action , it seems like they both can take a couple seconds to absorb , which is kind of long in a real fight . I'm sure a jutsu from Mei's lava release can be absorbed without any problem , or a Tree/Root incoming to attack the user can be dealt neg diff too . Now the usage of this technique against for example, Deep Forest Emergence is obviously not the best counter to it but anyway the user is FULLY surrounded by the jutsu , means he'll absorb it regardless if the attack come from one spot or multiples spots at the same time. He'll still he open to any non-chakra based attacks during that time and that's not a good counter to a large scale jutsu but thats not the point .

I get that you can obviously think that there is a difference between a rasengan and a lava release as I also did but with the study I did I hope you can see my point . I'm open for any positive criticism and debate .

 
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Also don't forget when Pain absorbed Jiraiya's oil technique, he literally just absorbed oil.

Edit: Reading some other posts I realized this.
Mokuton is slightly different than most techniques, it uses chakra to grow life, so technically it's just making life rather than a substance, so can it be absorbed?
 
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Mokuton doesn't create wood with chakra the same way Suiton creates water, Mokuton creates life which creates wood, meaning by absorbing the chakra, you are just hampering the tree's growth and are still getting hit in the face by a tree.
 

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I disagree.
 

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Re: Clarification : Preta Path Can Absorb Mokuton .

Hashirama shat on preta path

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That's not Preta Path, that's Outer Path that's being used with those rods.

Edit: Also think of the Byakugan with this picture.
Neji used it to hit Naruto in his pressure points, stopping him from molding any chakra.
Madara pretty much did the same thing, but without the Byakugan. He just stabbed him in his pressure points and used it to suck out his chakra.

Hashirama himself stated it, even though he is no longer being absorbed he remains unable to mold anymore chakra.

But I doubt Nagato could do the same thing Madara did to Hashirama.
 
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Re: Clarification : Preta Path Can Absorb Mokuton .

That's not Preta Path, that's Outer Path that's being used with those rods.

Pretty sure he was talking about Preta Path here. Madara didn't use the rods until he was revived, he only pinned them in Hashirama to block his chakra points to weaken him for later. The usage of the rods is the Outer Path's powers
 

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Begs the question: could Madara's revived body (since it was both originally a chakra source from the edo ability) then later became revived by another chakra ability... Also be absorbed...
 

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Hashirama shat on preta path

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Hashirama stated when Amatarasu failed Against Madara that Madara had retrieved his past powers . However Hashi never fought, saw and heard of Madara's rinnegan when he was still alive so he was talking about an absorbing power Madara had still unknown to us , in my opinion. Plus it was Madara plan to let Obito be dealt with Naruto , right?

Also don't forget when Pain absorbed Jiraiya's oil technique, he literally just absorbed oil.

Edit: Reading some other posts I realized this.
Mokuton is slightly different than most techniques, it uses chakra to grow life, so technically it's just making life rather than a substance, so can it be absorbed?

Nice to know , I completely forgot this .
Mokuton is a chakra based ninjutsu as all jutsus, therefore it could be absorbed .
 

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Hashirama stated when Amatarasu failed Against Madara that Madara had retrieved his past powers . However Hashi never fought, saw and heard of Madara's rinnegan when he was still alive so he was talking about an absorbing power Madara had still unknown to us , in my opinion. Plus it was Madara plan to let Obito be dealt with Naruto , right?



Nice to know , I completely forgot this .
Mokuton is a chakra based ninjutsu as all jutsus, therefore it could be absorbed .
The trees themselves are not chakra though, theire growth is just increased drastically via chakra. So in a way, that would mean Preta is absorbing something that was not ninjutsu itself.

OT: Actually Jinton isnt USING molecules, it is just a KKT that disassembles on a molecular level
 

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But it's not. That's what you don't understand.

Do you understand what does chakra based means ? If a jutsu is called chakra based, It simply means the chakra of the user has been consumed in order to create the technique , as all NINjutsus . Are you implying using Mokuton does not require any chakra consumption from the user ?

The trees themselves are not chakra though, theire growth is just increased drastically via chakra. So in a way, that would mean Preta is absorbing something that was not ninjutsu itself.

I clearly know that mate but you guys seems to not understand what does "Chakra based" means...
 
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Do you understand what does chakra based means ? If a jutsu is called chakra based, It simply means the chakra of the user has been consumed in order to create the technique , as all NINjutsus . Are you implying using Mokuton does not require any chakra consumption from the user ?



I clearly know that mate but you guys seems to not understand what does "Chakra based" means...
Just becase it's chakra based doesnt mean its made of chakra.
For example, Tsunade's regeneration. If she loses an arm, and uses her regeneration to make a new arm, can preta path absorb her new arm because it was made with chakra? Or can preta path abosrb Kakashi's new eye that Naruto made for him because it was created with chakra?
 

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Just becase it's chakra based doesnt mean its made of chakra.
For example, Tsunade's regeneration. If she loses an arm, and uses her regeneration to make a new arm, can preta path absorb her new arm because it was made with chakra? Or can preta path abosrb Kakashi's new eye that Naruto made for him because it was created with chakra?

I don't mean chakra is still in the wood or anything , even though it might but I really dont know about it , I mean the thing is created off Chakra which means he's chakra based . Therefore it could be absorbed , plus why would the definition of the path clearly state it can absorb anything chakra based and nullify any nature transformation and shape ?

For the arms and eyes regeneration , That's a nice point u got there . Unfortunately , this is kind of extreme and I don't know the answer.
I'd like to know your opinion about the oil Preta path absorbed against jiraiya and Jinton absorption though .
 

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I don't mean chakra is still in the wood or anything , even though it might but I really dont know about it , I mean the thing is created off Chakra which means he's chakra based . Therefore it could be absorbed , plus why would the definition of the path clearly state it can absorb anything chakra based and nullify any nature transformation and shape ?

For the arms and eyes regeneration , That's a nice point u got there . Unfortunately , this is kind of extreme and I don't know the answer.
I'd like to know your opinion about the oil Preta path absorbed against jiraiya and Jinton absorption though .
Oil and jinton are still chakra. They disappear when the source of chakra disappears. Kisame's water jutsu for instance, disappeared when Kisame died. I presume the oil is the same. Mokuton however is different. Hashirama creates real living breathing trees that keep on living even after he's dead.
 

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Begs the question: could Madara's revived body (since it was both originally a chakra source from the edo ability) then later became revived by another chakra ability... Also be absorbed...

I didn't see your answer , I guess I don't know lol . I'd like to hear your opinion about Jiraiya's oil and Jinton absorption too though.
 

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Oil and jinton are still chakra. They disappear when the source of chakra disappears. Kisame's water jutsu for instance, disappeared when Kisame died. I presume the oil is the same. Mokuton however is different. Hashirama creates real living breathing trees that keep on living even after he's dead.

Aight I get the mokuton point , he might not be able to absorb that . But my main point was about absorbing solid things anyway . Mokuton isn't the only thing I had in mind but the principal one. What about the chakra based solid thing part and things other than non living beings? As all you mentioned (arms etc) are living beings & things which are potentially not absorbable but I talked about solid things too .
 
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Aight I get the mokuton point , he might not be able to absorb that . But my main point was about absorbing solid things anyway . Mokuton isn't the only thing I had in mind but the principal one. What about the chakra based solid thing part and things other than non living beings? As all you mentioned (arms etc) are living beings & things which are potentially not absorbable but I talked about solid things too .
It should be able to absorb solid objects if they made entirely of chakra, like susano, earth jutsus etc.
 

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I have mix feelings with this topic, because Madara did absorb Shinju.

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