[Theory] Clans, Dojutsus and Yin-Yang [Full theory]

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I gave a look on all involved theories. I quite enjoyed them, including this one that summarizes quite well everything. Quite nice wrapping, it is even logical.

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Honestly, I normally like your theories, but this one.. not so much.

1) It was just really long man, it felt like 4 theories shoved into 1. Dont get me wrong I dont have a problem with somewhat long theories, as long as the basic idea is there. But in this one you covered 4 or 5 completely unrelated topics in 1 thread. Why no break them into 4-5 different threads. It was just too much to swallow for me.

2) There were basically only 2 theories here "Part about Byakugan" and "Part about Sakura" the rest were... raw ideas, not really developted enough to be made into a legitimate theory thread, but interesting nonetheless, and id like to know where you follow them if you do decide to build on them a bit.

2A) As far as the "Byakugan coming from the Sharingan Idea". It was a good read but nothing too convincing.

2B) The Sakura part was a little more convincing but again extremely lenghty, almost to a fault. There are several parts that I look at and think "Well he could have taken that tidbit out"

"Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura are seating with their scan symbols, according to revelation of their clans in manga, (from first to last…)
Sasuke-Uchiha clan, revealed first in earlier chapters,
Naruto-Uzumaki clan, revealed afterwards,
now the only one left is Sakura Haruno with 'that mysterious' last symbol...Now what is that symbol??
For those who haven't read Chatte's theory, that symbol is called as 'bindu chakra' symbol...Before proceeding lets have look at few important traits about this Bindu chakra,
"

This could have been dramatically shortened. But far be it for me to stiffle your creativity. Dont get me wrong it was a great observation, this was the most impressive part of theory, sadly to say it was downhill from here.

3) Perhaps I am being overly critical, I guess your prior threads just set the bar really high and when this one didnt meet their standards I was just disappointed.

*One more thing, the font in the thread is really small, which is cool if you like it like that, but for me i had to squint and get close to the computer screen to read it, which is made worst by the fact of how long it is, which only makes a person want to stop reading sooner. So in a sense he small font defeats the purpose of the thread, which is to be read.*
 

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Honestly, I normally like your theories, but this one.. not so much.

1) It was just really long man, it felt like 4 theories shoved into 1. Dont get me wrong I dont have a problem with somewhat long theories, as long as the basic idea is there. But in this one you covered 4 or 5 completely unrelated topics in 1 thread. Why no break them into 4-5 different threads. It was just too much to swallow for me.

2) There were basically only 2 theories here "Part about Byakugan" and "Part about Sakura" the rest were... raw ideas, not really developted enough to be made into a legitimate theory thread, but interesting nonetheless, and id like to know where you follow them if you do decide to build on them a bit.

2A) As far as the "Byakugan coming from the Sharingan Idea". It was a good read but nothing too convincing.

2B) The Sakura part was a little more convincing but again extremely lenghty, almost to a fault. There are several parts that I look at and think "Well he could have taken that tidbit out"

"Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura are seating with their scan symbols, according to revelation of their clans in manga, (from first to last…)
Sasuke-Uchiha clan, revealed first in earlier chapters,
Naruto-Uzumaki clan, revealed afterwards,
now the only one left is Sakura Haruno with 'that mysterious' last symbol...Now what is that symbol??
For those who haven't read Chatte's theory, that symbol is called as 'bindu chakra' symbol...Before proceeding lets have look at few important traits about this Bindu chakra,
"

This could have been dramatically shortened. But far be it for me to stiffle your creativity. Dont get me wrong it was a great observation, this was the most impressive part of theory, sadly to say it was downhill from here.

3) Perhaps I am being overly critical, I guess your prior threads just set the bar really high and when this one didnt meet their standards I was just disappointed.

*One more thing, the font in the thread is really small, which is cool if you like it like that, but for me i had to squint and get close to the computer screen to read it, which is made worst by the fact of how long it is, which only makes a person want to stop reading sooner. So in a sense he small font defeats the purpose of the thread, which is to be read.*
Thanks for your sincere opinion, sir..I think I should divide this this theory into smaller parts and again modify these thoughts a little, I think I should develop the Sakura and Byakugan theories separately, try to make them a little bit shorter and 'to the thought', ya I will surely modify them and make few improvements you and other guys suggested...:)
Nice theory.dattebayo!=D
Thanks Naruko...=D=D
Good Theory, though Kakashi said that the Uchiha's origins lies with the Hyuugas, not the other way around, but I guess that was retconned, as with many thing in part 1.
Thank you, Sir..And talking about Kakashi's statement I had to prove my point down there, stating that what Kakashi said wasn't entirely true...
Good read bro love the theory
Thanks...=D=D
I gave a look on all involved theories. I quite enjoyed them, including this one that summarizes quite well everything. Quite nice wrapping, it is even logical.
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Thanks, it was actually full theory, will develop few parts of it later...:)
 
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Nice theory Bro :).


But i believe Yin-Yang concept/energy exists in every living organism, Yin refers to spirit energy and Yang refers to Physical energy. They cant be separated. They are interdependent IMO. Take an example if Kurama and naruto, Kurama is a mass of Yin-Yang chakra, this chakra has no end unlike humans, Naruto is from Uzumaki clan, a clan whose life force and chakra reserves are on par with senju's. Kushina said Uzumaki's are more suited than any other clan to host Kurama, what i'm saying is eventhough kurama was divided into half, it's yin part was contributed by naruto's chakra, because naruto is an uzumaki and he possess very high quantity of chakra reserves(not to mention he's the reincarnation of sage) and he has the capacity to give chakra to kyuubi and survive. Which means kurama was consuming chakra of naruto to fill in it's yin portion. so yin-yang thought or element exists in every shinobi. You also explained it in good detail but in slightly different way.

And secondly I quite disagree with the rinnegan part, because sage didnt awaken it rather he was with it i.e.Juubi's chakra infused, so he was born with rinnegan or even better eye like juubi's eye itself which is a combination rinnegan and sharingan, thats why sharingan can still maintain it's existence even after the user awakens rinnegan as seen in case of madara, they are two different eyes after all. Sage possessed Yin-Yang chakra of juubi itself, and lastly it's clear that juubi didnt awaken it, because juubi= Chakra= everything. Rinnegan is simply chakra based eye there is nothing to discuss about it.


All in all it was a very good theory. I enjoyed reading it =D.
 
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Nice theory Bro :).


But i believe Yin-Yang concept/energy exists in every living organism, Yin refers to spirit energy and Yang refers to Physical energy. They cant be separated. They are interdependent IMO. Take an example if Kurama and naruto, Kurama is a mass of Yin-Yang chakra, this chakra has no end unlike humans, Naruto is from Uzumaki clan, a clan whose life force and chakra reserves are on par with senju's. Kushina said Uzumaki's are more suited than any other clan to host Kurama, what i'm saying is eventhough kurama was divided into half, it's yin part was contributed by naruto's chakra, because naruto is an uzumaki and he possess very high quantity of chakra reserves(not to mention he's the reincarnation of sage) and he has the capacity to give chakra to kyuubi and survive. Which means kurama was consuming chakra of naruto to fill in it's yin portion. so yin-yang thought or element exists in every shinobi. You also explained it in good detail but in slightly different way.

And secondly I quite disagree with the rinnegan part, because sage didnt awaken it rather he was with it i.e.Juubi's chakra infused, so he was born with rinnegan or even better eye like juubi's eye itself which is a combination rinnegan and sharingan, thats why sharingan can still maintain it's existence even after the user awakens rinnegan as seen in case of madara, they are two different eyes after all. Sage possessed Yin-Yang chakra of juubi itself, and lastly it's clear that juubi didnt awaken it, because juubi= Chakra= everything. Rinnegan is simply chakra based eye there is nothing to discuss about it.


All in all it was a very good theory. I enjoyed reading it =D.
First of all thanks for appreciation and now on the few points that you pointed out.
1. Yup, each and everything has Yin and Yang aspect.Me, myself made that statement in OP, where I said that what aspect is dominant 'depends upon criterion of observation'. I use abilities of shinobis as criterion of observation, and accordingly tried to explain link that it has with clans and doujutsus and their interconnections.
2. The statements that you made about tailed beast are actually theorized by one of the fellow NB members and are quiet plausible ones, and I fully agree with the theory that Kurama has to live on Yin chakra of Naruto since he lacked that Yin portion.
3. Talking about Rinnegan, we have to take few things into consideration here.We know that Kaguya ate fruit of god tree, whose powers(chakra) were passed down to Sage, but point to note here is, she just ate 'fruit', she didn't took away the entire chakra of Juubi, but portion of it. So Sage was born with slight amount of chakra, and using that chakra and many other techs he defeated Juubi. Point to note here is we don't know whether sage had Rinnegan before defeating Juubi, as nowhere said in the manga that sage had rinnegan. Does that meant sage awakened Rinnegan just after becoming Juubi jinchuriki?? No, because Obito didn't awaken Rinnegan despite of becoming Juubi jin.
4. And on switching point, yes one can go back to Sharingan after awakening Rinnegan, it is similar to EMS user going back to Sharingan or Naruto going back to KCM from BM, I don't see how that makes them different here.
Although, I am really happy that you loved the theory, and thanks for few good points here..:)
 

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I actually loved this,
You suggesting that she have both yin and yang chakra affinity's was actually smart, because if you look back to the earlier chapters where she is explaining chakra control she says that you must balance your yin and yang energy (spiritual and physical energy), and she seemed to do this with relative ease, so that could explain her perfect chakra control.
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But when Iruka said that heaven and earth thing, it threw me off a little.


Sakura was referred to as heaven she was smart and was able to do anything, but she lacked the power.
But then I realized that she was never really taught anything, until the Tsunade arc thingy. Where she started to gain her yang affinty. She already master her yin affinty in the chunning exams, with her intelligence, gen jutsu resistance, and her strong will (inner sakura breaking Ino's jutsu). Then Tsunade taught her somethings and she improved, but she still needed more chakra, chakra control was useful but wasn't enough, and that is where the yin seal helped her.

Another similarity between her and the Senju are their names, Hashirama's branch name meanings pertain to wood and water, Toka names is that of a flowers, a peach blossom, to be exact and cherry blossom and peach blossom are related and are often confused with one another.
Wrong , Sakura doesn't posses any Yin or Yang affinity nor will she be from a sub senju clan. She will remain as a side character no matter how you put it .

Somethings are not meant to be changed ...if you have any questions do ask me .
 

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Wrong , Sakura doesn't posses any Yin or Yang affinity nor will she be from a sub senju clan. She will remain as a side character no matter how you put it .

Somethings are not meant to be changed ...if you have any questions do ask me .
Actually she does since she uses them both...
 

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Wait i am making a theory of my own . I'll briefly explain the full concept of Yin and Yang.
No need to make another theory, it was already explained back when Naruto trained for his wind nature...

Let's get back to this

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Naruto: "and how about medical ninjutsu and genjutsu ?"

Both Shikamaru's Kagemane and medical ninjutsu use the yin or the spirit control .
And Choji's Baika no jutsu or Sakura's strength use the yang or body/physical control .

Therefore, we can see from here that she is a wielder of both manipulations.
 

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alright... yesterday i told my friend that i have never read a book... now i could definitely tell my friend that i've read something as long as the bible! holy shit man you've been working!!

it's an amazing theory! i gave u a like (can't rep..... repped u too much lately haha)
 

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alright... yesterday i told my friend that i have never read a book... now i could definitely tell my friend that i've read something as long as the bible! holy shit man you've been working!!

it's an amazing theory! i gave u a like (can't rep..... repped u too much lately haha)
It's OK, I am fine as long as you liked it...:bouncy:
 
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