I was under the assertion during that time that a mature EMS Sasuke would = Madara's in destruction capability and durability. And we both have concluded (well you convince me in one thread, or Im getting my timeline mixed up) that Sasuke's PS naturally had superior mobility to begin with.
So I took all 3 factors into consideration when I made that claim. And if I got the time lines mixed up then sure, why not put my quote to the hall of fame.
Im sure everyone is guilty of making claims that sound absurd, such as you.
Lol, still a ridiculous claim no matter how strong you thought his Susanoo was in comparison to Madara's. Whether it was equal or weaker. EMS Sasuke=EMS Madara when it comes to Susanoo doesn't change how nonsensical it is to assert that Sasuke will beat Hashirama when Madara failed. Twice.
Yeah, but when I do, it's never as absurd as these claims, which are pretty much spitting on the Manga and telling Kishimoto that he's wrong when it comes to EMS Madara w/o Kurama vs. Hashirama.
I dont see why not with mere shockwaves considering the weapon itself has the power to continuously cut through a whole path of wood.
It can cut through Hotei Hands. Hotei Hands=/=Shinsuusenju. Base Mokuton=/=Sage Mode Mokuton.
PS Buijuudama and CK never collided,
That's clearly false.
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Then there's the resulting explosion which engulfed both SS and PS.
BD overwhelmed the portions it was aimed at and continued with its path.
If it overwhelmed everything it touched, then it would've flown right past the statue instead of blowing up.
And CK outnumbered BD attacks so it was able to exchange hits back too.
That literally doesn't change anything.
Because theres no evidence otherwise to say its more durable. All I see is that Mokuton gets bigger and heavier in SM. So it makes sense, due to its mass, that it can be phyically strong. But in no different the wood's durability being tempered.
-Was in the explosion of
12 Bijuu Dama and Chojo Kebutsu and came out with it's arms gone
but it's main body intact.
-Says there is no evidence it's more durable than a branch.
Lol.
Then there's the fact that it getting bigger means it gets thicker, meaning it's more durable by default. SA fodder were cutting up the Shinju's tiny ass branches, but when Gai used his strongest attack and hit the trunk of it, he only made a
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hole. It took YRS, something far stronger than any other attack used on the tree to cut the trunk in one go. If I used your logic, it getting bigger wouldn't matter, meaning Gai should've pierced through the tree completely.
What's more durable? A branch, or the trunk of the tree? What you are saying is equivalent to me saying I can cut through the tree because I can cut a small branch.
Lol, are you kidding me? Is this a joke?
And base on a Juubi Jin's Mokuton feats, I see no reasons to believe that Hashirama>Juubi Jin only because of an ABC Logic that SM Mokuton must be more durable then Base form.
No Juubi Jin has ever used Mokuton except Madara. Case in point.
Again I was under the assertion during that time. If Kurama+PS mobility>=SS then it safe to assume someone withe superior mobility can gain safer distance.
Except PS Kurama has not displayed better mobility feats than SS, then there's the fact that "mobility" doesn't just refer to them moving from point A to point B. It takes into account striking speed and range as well, two things I've already noted.
I addressed my reason first post, if it doesn't follow and disagreement here then my reasoning back then should have a hall a fame.
Dont fool yourself. It wasn't in inch and 2) Hashirama intention wasn't to break his own tech put place his weapon away to do hand signs. So its completly reasonable to say an intention attack, such as basic weapons, would pierce Mokuton. And an enchance attack (like element infused) would officially cut it, much like Shinju tree branches.
1. Except it was. I suggest we pick up a ruler sometime and study it.
2. Hashirama's intention is irrelevant. When you can actually prove that what you say can cut it, can actually cut it, you don't have a concise argument. I've already told you to stop using this terrible logic. An intentional attack being stronger than Hashirama just putting his weapon down doesn't prove that the intentional attack is strong enough to pierce, nor does it prove that elemental enhanced weapons can cut through either. You tried this same logic before. Stop it. Lol. It makes no sense.
All of these are evidence that Mokuton durability isn't all that. Hobi on the other-hand is fused with Fuinjutsu base.
Mokuton durability has been addressed above. Then there's the fact that the databook hypes Mokujin to be extremely durable. While I'm not going to attempt to quantify it's defensive ability, that alone shits on this ridiculous, long lasting argument of yours that all Mokuton are equal in durability, and that no Mokuton is durable to begin with.
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I had this discussion with Blacklord to translated the DB page. This is where we were arguing it Hobi truly tanked a TBB. I gave my reasons why it took less of the blast the shielding underground, while your claim sees to stated it took it head on. Turns out the evidence of the translation support your claim them mine (with a twist of databook reasoning though):
Naturally, because anyone who looks at that panel would be able to tell you that it was a direct hit. The implications are so strong that you'd have to be actively searching for the tiniest bit of evidence that'd prove those implications wrong.
Closing it back up wouldnt work? Not that I think it would suffice either way
Who knows? Either it wouldn't have worked or he simply had no time and wanted to go on the offensive at the same time. Countering with an offensive move to bind PS's sword along with Hotei to try and bind the body works perfectly, or would've, had Madara not cut through the Hotei hands with his second blade.
This is too good. Lol
