Chuunin exam Sasuke vs Kimmimaro

[genii96]

^^^ everything u said was utter BS joki. Its already clear u luv sasuke,lee didnt outspeed him,his movements were unorthodox,kimi still dealt with him didnt he?,kimimaro also had a cuesed seal much stronger than sasuke's and chunin sasuke cudnt beat the sound four who kimi sol' with ease. Sasuke isnt anywhere near kimimaro and bone spear>chidori, and kimimaro wud beat 1 tailed naruto and cs2 sasuke together,wats sasuke gonna do abt bone spear?,dude dont talk anyhow,kimi easily.

 

[EYES OF ITACHI]

only garra in my opinion could take kimmimaro at that time

 

[Joki]

^^^ everything u said was utter BS joki. Its already clear u luv sasuke,lee didnt outspeed him,his movements were unorthodox,kimi still dealt with him didnt he?,kimimaro also had a cuesed seal much stronger than sasuke's and chunin sasuke cudnt beat the sound four who kimi sol' with ease. Sasuke isnt anywhere near kimimaro and bone spear>chidori, and kimimaro wud beat 1 tailed naruto and cs2 sasuke together,wats sasuke gonna do abt bone spear?,dude dont talk anyhow,kimi easily.

He dealt with him for 2 reasons. One because he had bones tank the initial kick, thus rendering the first gate useless. And two, because Lee had just recovered from intense surgery that only have 50%(?) chance for even surviving let alone ever becoming a shinobi again.

Actually, if you'll check your facts, IIRC, the Heaven seal was the strongest, or the earth seals counterpart. Kimimaro's isn't stronger. Nor do I exactly 'love' Sasuke, I could say the same for anyone who thinks Kimimaro stands any chance at all.

When did Kimimaro ever solo the sound 4? Sasuke was on Lee's speed level, with 3-tomoe he outsped KN0 Naruto and was already on Lee's level with 2 tomoe. Kimimaro will never be able to touch him with pre-cog.

Any proof that Kimimaro's bones"> chidori"? Of course not, chidori has pierced things Kimi's bones have failed to pierce.

Sasuke and Naruto together, let alone 1 on 1? This is by far the most ridiculously absurd statement in your post, he has absoluely no answer to the chakra cloak(which was unpredictable by sharingan, Kimimaro's weakness was Drunken Lee who works the same), he has no way to hurt let alone kill KN1 Naruto who regenerated instantly from an impaled lung.

He's simply not tanking KN1 Rasengan or CS2 Chidori by far, and KN0's roar instantly vaporized a giant katon and blitzed 2-tomoe Sasuke with ease. Fighting each one in the first place is one thing, fighting both at the same time is something completely different.

Although, I have to commend you after dozens of arguments about how overrated Kimimaro is, you've raised basically the only fair point, about Sasuke vs the Sound 4 compared to Kimimaro.

Although, it was an extremely short skirmish, Sasuke only had 2-tomoe, CS1 and IIRC was still recovering, the only fair point to hype Kimimaro thus far so I gotta give credit.

I recall absolutely nothing about Kimimaro being able to 'solo all 4" though, I find that to be pretty baseless and ridiculous considering each of the 4 sound a decent chance by themselves(except Jirobo lol).

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Ok I'm just feeling like I didn't really say this hard enough

Kimimaro in base > 2Tomoe Cs1 Sasuke

 

[Icelerate]

Ok I'm just feeling like I didn't really say this hard enough

Kimimaro in base > 2Tomoe Cs1 Sasuke

Agree but I think current 3 tomoe Sasuke could beat CS2 Kimmimaro.

Only Joki is the one who is underrating Kimmimaro here. His speed was greater than that of Sasuke's at that point. Same with Kimmimaro's reaction skills. His bones are so strong that if Sasuke does land a lucky chidori, Kimmimaro wouldn't be fazed because he tanked Gaara's sand, Naruto and Lee's punches.

If he does take serious damage, he can heal it slightly by going into CS1 and then CS2. Sasuke can only use chidori three times a day during that point so his chakra reserves were very low compared to Kimmimaro who used a lot of jutsus while fighting an army of Naruto clones, toying with Lee and fighting all out against Gaara.

What advantage does Sasuke really have over Kimmimaro at this point? Don't just say chidori because it is much more likely for Kimmimaro to stab Sasuke with his bone sword then for Sasuke to chidori his heart.

 

[kakashi owns all]

Kimi low diff.
Sasuke can only use like what 4 chidori ? lol
Kimimaro is one of the strongest in part 1 so much that, even in shippuden part 2 he's power scale is still not bad compare to the current powerhouses ( of course not talking about the main characters & kage but to others )

nope 2

 

[megallica]

kimmimaro destroys sasuke low difficulty. put hebi sasuke instead then we have some battle.

 

[Icelerate]

kimmimaro destroys sasuke low difficulty. put hebi sasuke instead then we have some battle.

I agree but if you do that then it will be Hebi Sasuke destroying Kimmimaro with low difficulty.

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Agree but I think current 3 tomoe Sasuke could beat CS2 Kimmimaro.

Only Joki is the one who is underrating Kimmimaro here. His speed was greater than that of Sasuke's at that point. Same with Kimmimaro's reaction skills. His bones are so strong that if Sasuke does land a lucky chidori, Kimmimaro wouldn't be fazed because he tanked Gaara's sand, Naruto and Lee's punches.

If he does take serious damage, he can heal it slightly by going into CS1 and then CS2. Sasuke can only use chidori three times a day during that point so his chakra reserves were very low compared to Kimmimaro who used a lot of jutsus while fighting an army of Naruto clones, toying with Lee and fighting all out against Gaara.

What advantage does Sasuke really have over Kimmimaro at this point? Don't just say chidori because it is much more likely for Kimmimaro to stab Sasuke with his bone sword then for Sasuke to chidori his heart.

Exactly, Sasuke at this point is clearly outmatched at close range and has little to no defense gainst Kimi's long range techs either. IMO Kimi could take him about as easily as he took drunken Lee, reveals his KKG, but mostly to make a point in the difference in ability.

 

[Joki]

Agree but I think current 3 tomoe Sasuke could beat CS2 Kimmimaro.

Only Joki is the one who is underrating Kimmimaro here. His speed was greater than that of Sasuke's at that point. Same with Kimmimaro's reaction skills. His bones are so strong that if Sasuke does land a lucky chidori, Kimmimaro wouldn't be fazed because he tanked Gaara's sand, Naruto and Lee's punches.

If he does take serious damage, he can heal it slightly by going into CS1 and then CS2. Sasuke can only use chidori three times a day during that point so his chakra reserves were very low compared to Kimmimaro who used a lot of jutsus while fighting an army of Naruto clones, toying with Lee and fighting all out against Gaara.

What advantage does Sasuke really have over Kimmimaro at this point? Don't just say chidori because it is much more likely for Kimmimaro to stab Sasuke with his bone sword then for Sasuke to chidori his heart.

No, just because hte popular opinion thinks Kimimaro is God Level doesn't mean I'm underrating him. It's actually practically confirmed fact that he is outsped and inferior in most of these categories, if anything it is actually the exact opposite, and I am the only one with a good grasp on Kimimaro's actual power level when everyone else is severely overrating him. "Kimimaro>Hebi Sasuke", "Kimimaro>SM Naruto", "Kimimaro>KN1 Naruto and CS2 Sasuke at the same time", "Kimimaro>Juugo", "Kimimaro>Zabuza and Haku"?

Seriously now? I'm underrating him by claiming through logical evidence Sasuke w/ 3 tomoe has been proven to be faster, Lee was not allowed to use gates, Naruto had not gone past KN0 and had no intention to fight him seriously, and both the 2 were also proven to be faster. I am quite confident it is just denial from team Kimimaro, or just the outright ignoring my posts.

Speed greater than Sasuke's? I think we should take a little walk down the path of shame. Please don't scroll past them, pay attention to the content, if you actually pay attention to them and would openly admit you are proven wrong when you are there's about a 90% chance you will admit that Kimimaro would lose, unless you're a fanboy of course and would never admit such a thing.

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First scan, keep in mind, this is 2-tomoe base Sasuke. Weightless Lee speed? Ok, that's perfect.

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So as it's all known, Kimi "keeping up" with base Lee, note the second he entered even the first gate Kimimaro was outsped entirely. Their taijutsu skirmishes were fairly evenly matched, Kimimaro never landed a hit on Lee(bar the time he was drunk and reckless), likewise Base Lee Who Had Just Recovered From Surgery And Was Not Allowed To Use Gates(just so the conditions are clear) also never managed to hit Kimimaro in that time without being drunk. Also, take note here the following scans:

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Remember that it was said the reason Lee landed a hit because it was 'unpredictable' and not a 'linear' straightforward anticipate-able attack. Remember that for later.

To conclude the above: We have it established, that Kimimaro is equal to or around Weightless(possibly weightED) Lee's speed at that time. Lee also effectively reacted to Seedling Fern dance and noticed it pop out, it's by no means instant. ANYWAY point is, we have gotten Kimimaro's speed established. This was his general acceptance of speed so not much to be said there.

Skipping ahead to the VotE fight:

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I could post the rest of the panels, but anyway same idea. CS1 Sasuke outspeeds Base Naruto easily. Naruto can't touch him. Still 2-tomoe.

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Meanwhile, Naruto takes a chidori through the lung..

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...and KN0 Naruto proceeds to regenerate from it instantly.

From those scans we can conclude that Kimimaro has no real way to hurt Naruto, or keep up with Sasuke, but don't worry in case you're still somehow filled with doubt that definitely does not end there. Proceeding!

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Oh...and if it wasn't clear by now, this is Naruto actually trying.

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Yeah, remember the 2 tomoe base Sasuke who>=weightless Lee, who was easily beating the crap out of Naruto and Naru couldn't land one hit? Not so easy now, is it? And did you also note roaring away a katon: goukakyu?

So from that, the manga has already practically confirmed as a fact(which you can get the proof from by reading all of the above), that the scales are something like this: "Lee~=Kimimaro~=2 tomoe base Sasuke>>>Base Naruto<<<<2 tomoe base Sasuke<<<<<KN0 Naruto. I could have formatted that a bit better, but yeah it's not that hard to get the picture.

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, that's not even the end of it but I would easily give it to Sasuke as of yet(Naruto is a no-brainer).

It's not like I posted the past panels of chidori ripping through concrete with ease and creating giant craters in boulders... but hey, they're there. Kimi took what, a kick from base Lee and said it hurt?

KN0 Naruto is literally top of the top as of yet, blitzing 2 tomoe Sasuke who was as fast as weightless Lee, who's around Kimimaro's speed. Now meanwhile KN0 Naruto is beating the crap out of Sasuke who performed all those feats with ease, while taking a chidori through the lung and regening instantly, again like I said. Naruto is easily above Kimimaro's level as of yet for obvious reasons that this paragraph summarized, Sasuke is, well he's a good match so far. There's plenty more, so allow us to proceed.

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After an emotional conversation..the 3rd tomoe is activated. Shit gets real at this point. This is DBZ level shit up in here. Lean back son, enjoy the stompage.

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Would you look at that? 3-tomoe Sasuke, easily and effortlessly dodges KN0 Naruto. The one who was blitzing and beating the shit out of him just a minute before...you know, the 2 tomoe Sasuke who was roughly equal to Lee/Kimi in speed? Yeah. I'd like to take this second to point out that during the chunin exam arc and SRA arc Lee was in the hospital, Sasuke actually was free to do whatever he wanted *cough, train, cough* during that time. If anything, Sasuke was even fasterr at that point, I might as well give you "2 tomoe Sasuke is slightly inferior" even when manga says otherwise, 'cause you're gonna need it because it ain't over.

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BOOM! Simple, effortless. The guy who's far superior to Kimimaro in speed is being walked all around by Sasuke. Add Chidori to that? That's kind of the point of "Chidori's weakness" and requiring the eye to see counters. I'd say it's confirmed fact Kimimaro stands literally no chance now as he's far too slow. But alas, I will give you that one as well. Please settle down, man, the Path of Shame continues onward!

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This is just complete and utter stompage! Are you sure you want to continue down the path of shame? This mainly completes the Sasuke Portion. It's ok, you can quit if you want. Are you sure?
>Yes
>No

Bloop! Answer detected. Machine does not care if you want to continue or not. Proceeding!

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Sasuke has Naruto pinned, so he completely shat on KN0 Naruto. Who was just Top Tier Level a couple minutes ago. Hahaha, you remember that don't you?

Nope, like I said. DBZ level shit. Continuing.

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The KN1 has risen. Prepare for harder stompage.

(Well, in all fairness, it was confirmed awhile ago that KN0 Naruto craps on Kimi...and 3-tomoe Sasuke outsped him and was superior in ever category, that speaks for itself. I said I'd give you it since there's much more of a reason why Kimimaro can't compare though, so why not make it overkill.)

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Note how Naruto got much faster, and Sasuke isn't effortlessly crapping on him any more. Naruto appeared behind him, Sasuke saw through it of course, he's actually up for a challenge? Unheard of!

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Oh yeah, KN1 chakra. GG.

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Remember that little bit about drunken Lee being unpredictable? Not even 3 tomoe sharingan can predict chakra that moves of its own accord. If that doesn't say complete stompage, stacked WITH the fact that this Naruto is keeping up with the Top Tiered Sasuke who shat on everyone else thus far? I seriously feel the need to emphasize this point very strongly as it will be ignored, this is truly near manga fact their speed levels are on another level. I want to post the ranking chart every time, it's simply common sense from reading the pages. Anyway, yeah. 2 Tomoe Sasuke: Good match for Kimi, probably wins. KN0 Naruto: Beats Kimi pretty easily.

...so, 3-tomoe Sasuke? Kimimaro hasn't a chance in the world. Oh, what's that? I forgot about KN1?

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Oh yeah.. that monster is a whole other story.

Meanwhile, Naruto proceeded to give Sasuke a thorough beatdown. Those scans are more overkill than required though, no point any more.

Reflecting time on recent pages. Yeah, so basically this guy doesn't even need to do anything now, he sat there and just took the giant goukakyu head on, his chakra literally protected his body, and a TAILLESS INFERIOR FORM regenerated from a chidorid lung near instantly. You or anyone at all expect Kimimaro to be able to do anything to Naruto?

NOW do you see why I laugh so hard at those ridiculous claims? He's completely outclassed in speed, power, endurance, literally every category, Kimimaro can't even hope to compare. His showings, completely pale in comparison. As I said previously this is literal manga fact.

In fact, I have not even brought CS2 in the mix, it's not even required in any sense whatsoever. People think he can take BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME?

I am not sure what I left out of this, but there's still plenty of material I left out and didn't post, way more evidence to convict Kimimaro of 'not being as strong as everyone says'. To conclude, unless you are a fanboy or ridiculously, absurdly prideful or similar, it is highly doubtful anyone would ever deny that Kimimaro is stronger than Unrestricted Lee, Part 1 Naruto and Sasuke after reading my post. All three of them are completely on another level than him.

For insurance, I'm not boasting highly of my 'skill' by claiming "if you read my post you'll instantly change sides", far from it actually. What I did was post the scans from the manga simply, which is why I think the claims that Kimimaro is so strong is ridiculously absurd and that he is ridiculously overrated.

Now, please take a look at some of the threads I mentioned in the beginning before the "Path of Shame" as I arbitrarily named it, and see if your views on them changed at all. I don't expect any one to read this especially Kimimaro fans, hell if they say anything, but even if you don't respond ITT I'll personally know you won't think Kimimaro is so damn strong any more. To quote the beginning.

It's actually practically confirmed fact that he is outsped and inferior in most of these categories, if anything it is actually the exact opposite, and I am the only one with a good grasp on Kimimaro's actual power level when everyone else is severely overrating him. "Kimimaro>Hebi Sasuke", "Kimimaro>SM Naruto", "Kimimaro>KN1 Naruto and CS2 Sasuke at the same time", "Kimimaro>Juugo", "Kimimaro>Zabuza and Haku"?

tl;dr, guys i have cansur can i have free reps

 

[Bogard]

@Joki: Oh my^^ Just tell me that you used copy paste, right?

 

[Joki]

@Joki: Oh my^^ Just tell me that you used copy paste, right?

If you mean copied my post before posting it in case something happened, then yeah.

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[genii96]

@ joki,there are some things i have to say to change ur mind.....firstly,kimimaro solo'd the entire sound four at the same time to force them to recognize him as their leader and temporarily change the name to sound five.......secondly,kimimaro has a speed of 4.5,which is the same as current sasuke meaning he is even faster than hebi sasuke,so there is no way that SRA sasuke is faster......thirdly,kimimaro completely mastered his cursed mark prior to his fight with gaara and such is better at it than sasuke and just like chakra control has stronger attacks,also the cursed mark of heaven and the cursed mark of earth are equally the most powerful among all cursed marks,sasuke cud do chidori only twice at that time,his chakra level was low while kimimaro had a 4.5 in stamina and a 5 in taijutsu which also surpasses current sasuke in that field, he was much stronger than sasuke at that time and was rivaled only by gaara who pushed him to his max ( although without the use of shukaku)when he was really sick,i mean he fought kn0 naruto,lee,then an all out battle with gaara and just kept going.all in all he is abit above hebi sasuke(if not sick) but weaker than taka sasuke and above.

 

[Joki]

@ joki,there are some things i have to say to change ur mind.....firstly,kimimaro solo'd the entire sound four at the same time to force them to recognize him as their leader and temporarily change the name to sound five.......

When did that happen? regardless, they have absolutely no way to put Naruto down for good, let alone touch 3-tomoe Sasuke, either of them could solo.

secondly,kimimaro has a speed of 4.5,which is the same as current sasuke meaning he is even faster than hebi sasuke,so there is no way that SRA sasuke is faster

Yes, ignore all of the logical on-screen evidence that the manga proved because of 1 number with absolutely no support

......thirdly,kimimaro completely mastered his cursed mark prior to his fight with gaara and such is better at it than sasuke and just like chakra control has stronger attacks,also the cursed mark of heaven and the cursed mark of earth are equally the most powerful among all cursed marks,

This is irrelevant, he's still too slow and kept up with weightless Lee whom Sasuke and Naruto crap on. Anything he thinks he can pull in this form will be effortlessly tanked and avoided while he wastes all his chakra in the form that the sound 4 and Sasuke could stay in for a few minutes before becoming completely immobile because of the power drain.

sasuke cud do chidori only twice at that time,his chakra level was low

He did it 3 times in that fight, and full power 3 tomoe from the start? 3 Tomoe Sasuke>>KN1 Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KN0 Naruto>>>>>>>>>2 Tomoe Sasuke=Weightless Lee. This was PROVEN MANGA FACT, I already posted the scans. Kimimaro was weightless Lee level, first gate outclassed him.Sasuke, low chakra level? As ridiculous as that is as he was specifically said to have a high chakra level, it's plenty to defeat Kimimaro as he has literally no way to touch Sasuke or Naruto let alone kill them or hurt them.

while kimimaro had a 4.5 in stamina and a 5 in taijutsu which also surpasses current sasuke in that field, he was much stronger than sasuke at that time and was rivaled only by gaara who pushed him to his max

I probably should have mentioned Gaara in my other post(not like it would have mattered). His attacks were all pressure based as in from the first sand coffin, Kimimaro used bones to tank it. Seriously, don't give me that crap that Kimimaro was specifically created to fight vs Gaara, you could take any character from the manga in their base mode and if they had to try and take the sand they'd be killed end of story it's irrelevant and entirely ABC Logic. Aside from the fact that Gaara can just float up beyond reach which he had never done in the fight vs Kimimaro when it was within his power, KN1 Naruto or Sasuke beat the crap out of him as well.

( although without the use of shukaku)when he was really sick,i mean he fought kn0 naruto,lee,then an all out battle with gaara and just kept going.all in all he is abit above hebi sasuke(if not sick) but weaker than taka sasuke and above.

Correction. KN0 Naruto who was much weaker and just after the chunin exams and didn't know rasengan. Shukaku, also whom you admitted yourself Kimimaro stands no chance in the face of...and you know the whole part about punching Gaara once and Shukaku was GG'd.

@ The Bold, seriously, what is this. This is completely ridiculously absurd, I'm horribly baffled that anyone can even attempt to tell me that I'm UNDERrating Kimimaro here. Do you really want to get into a debate about part 2 Hebi Sasuke vs Kimimaro? Because I'm up for that any day, 2 tomoe chunin exams Sasuke beats Kimimaro, don't even start with this guy.

That right there pretty much proved you ignored the near entirety of my post and didn't read any of it. Either that, you mindlessly scrolled through and skimmed and ignored, or you're a fanboy or refuse to admit you're wrong or that Kimimaro would win under any circumstances. Literally everything in your post was already answered by mine.

Why deny it, I can't believe people can physically deny this, it's proven manga fact that these characters are on a completely different level

 

[genii96]

When did that happen? regardless, they have absolutely no way to put Naruto down for good, let alone touch 3-tomoe Sasuke, either of them could solo.Yes, ignore all of the logical on-screen evidence that the manga proved because of 1 number with absolutely no supportThis is irrelevant, he's still too slow and kept up with weightless Lee whom Sasuke and Naruto crap on. Anything he thinks he can pull in this form will be effortlessly tanked and avoided while he wastes all his chakra in the form that the sound 4 and Sasuke could stay in for a few minutes before becoming completely immobile because of the power drain. He did it 3 times in that fight, and full power 3 tomoe from the start? 3 Tomoe Sasuke>>KN1 Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KN0 Naruto>>>>>>>>>2 Tomoe Sasuke=Weightless Lee. This was PROVEN MANGA FACT, I already posted the scans. Kimimaro was weightless Lee level, first gate outclassed him.Sasuke, low chakra level? As ridiculous as that is as he was specifically said to have a high chakra level, it's plenty to defeat Kimimaro as he has literally no way to touch Sasuke or Naruto let alone kill them or hurt them. I probably should have mentioned Gaara in my other post(not like it would have mattered). His attacks were all pressure based as in from the first sand coffin, Kimimaro used bones to tank it. Seriously, don't give me that crap that Kimimaro was specifically created to fight vs Gaara, you could take any character from the manga in their base mode and if they had to try and take the sand they'd be killed end of story it's irrelevant and entirely ABC Logic. Aside from the fact that Gaara can just float up beyond reach which he had never done in the fight vs Kimimaro when it was within his power, KN1 Naruto or Sasuke beat the crap out of him as well.
Correction. KN0 Naruto who was much weaker and just after the chunin exams and didn't know rasengan. Shukaku, also whom you admitted yourself Kimimaro stands no chance in the face of...and you know the whole part about punching Gaara once and Shukaku was GG'd.

@ The Bold, seriously, what is this. This is completely ridiculously absurd, I'm horribly baffled that anyone can even attempt to tell me that I'm UNDERrating Kimimaro here. Do you really want to get into a debate about part 2 Hebi Sasuke vs Kimimaro? Because I'm up for that any day, 2 tomoe chunin exams Sasuke beats Kimimaro, don't even start with this guy.

That right there pretty much proved you ignored the near entirety of my post and didn't read any of it. Either that, you mindlessly scrolled through and skimmed and ignored, or you're a fanboy or refuse to admit you're wrong or that Kimimaro would win under any circumstances. Literally everything in your post was already answered by mine.

Why deny it, I can't believe people can physically deny this, it's proven manga fact that these characters are on a completely different level

actually kimi did beat all four of them together ask anyone. Secondly what i meant by being above hebi sasuke was a mistake on my part,i meant the one that fought team 7 in the beggining parts of shippuden. Thirdly two tomoe sasuke lee speed cudnt handle kn0 naruto and base kimimaro was handling him with ease so kimimaro cud handle him just fine, and sasuke cud do 2 chidoris normally while using a third after he went cursed mark,kimimaro's bones cut through chakra infused blades with ease,he had more chakra than that sasuke and cud stay in his cursed mark far longer than that sasuke cud, and his stamina allowed him to beat kn0 naruto,drunken lee and fight gaara, kimimaro was also oro's strongest servant back then,even ahead of kabuto who was said to be on kakashi's level,kimimaro cs2 wud beat cs2 sasuke at that time,sasuke also has no answer for bone forest,he cant tank bone spear if it hits,sasuke was roughly equivilent to lee not as fast as him,cs1 kimi handled lee just fine whike seeing him as a stronger opponent than kn0 naruto,although lee just recovered. Kimimaro was wll ahead of sasuke by that time,and am not a fanboy of kimi,i dont even like him,am just saying the obvious truth. You are the only one who thinks sasuke can win.

 

[Icelerate]

So base Lee = base Kimmimaro = base Sasuke in speed. With the CS Kimmimaro is obviously faster but so is Sasuke. You say that 3 tomoe Sasuke is faster than 2 tomoe Sasuke but this is wrong because the only difference is that the tracking abilities of the sharingan are enhanced.

IMO after reading your post CS2 Kimmimaro = CS2 Sasuke in speed but Sasuke has a slight advantage because of his eyes. Anyway, if Sasuke is impaled by a bone sword, he will die. If Kimmimaro is impaled by a chidori, he will take some damage but will survive. Sasuke can only use chidori three times in a battle unlike Kimmimaro who can use all sorts of attacks before dying of his illness. It should be clear that Kimmimaro is the winner but you are the only one not admitting to this.

This is the same guy who kept up with Kyubbi cloak Naruto without tails and one gated Lee. Even if Sasuke somehow has the speed advantage which I doubt because Kimmimaro got a higher score in speed in the 2nd databook, Kimmimaro has an advantage over part 1 Sasuke in almost every category.

 

[Joki]

actually kimi did beat all four of them together ask anyone.

I don't want to ask anyone, I want manga proof because IIRC that didn't happen

Secondly what i meant by being above hebi sasuke was a mistake on my part,i meant the one that fought team 7 in the beggining parts of shippuden.

That Sasuke had trained for two more years and blitzed and crapped on new team 7...he fodderizes Kimmimaro with little to no difficulty.

Thirdly two tomoe sasuke lee speed cudnt handle kn0 naruto and base kimimaro was handling him with ease

Incorrect. Kimimaro handled Naruto with 1/1000th of his normal chakra count. Sasuke=Lee=Kimimaro, KN0 was beating the crap out of Sasuke and utterly blitzed him.

so kimimaro cud handle him just fine, and sasuke cud do 2 chidoris normally while using a third after he went cursed mark,kimimaro's bones cut through chakra infused blades with ease,he had more chakra than that sasuke and cud stay in his cursed mark far longer than that sasuke cud

Yeah, and chidori has cut through far stronger things than his bones ever have. Kimimaro has no way to keep up with Sasuke or hit him ,and one chidori is the end of him

, and his stamina allowed him to beat kn0 naruto,drunken lee and fight gaara

No, it allowed him to beat ONE WAVE OF 1/1000 chakra KN0 Naruto clones who wasn't trying. Lee was forced to stay in base, that's entirely irrelevant since Kimimaro was Lee's speed, and Sasuke and Naruto EoS crap on both their speed levels.

, kimimaro was also oro's strongest servant back then,even ahead of kabuto who was said to be on kakashi's level,

That is baseless and ridiculous, to someonbe who overrates Kimimaro as much as you I'd think it's not far to say that Kimimaro would beat Part 1 Kabuto. But that's ridiculous, and Sasuke wasn't around at EoS Time.

kimimaro cs2 wud beat cs2 sasuke at that time,sasuke also has no answer for bone forest,

Gaara and Lee saw it and reacted. With sharingan? Simple.

he cant tank bone spear if it hits

Key word if it hits, fortunately it will never ever ever hit because Sasuke completely outclasses Kimimaro in speed and power and every category. Meanwhile, when chidori hits, Kimimaro will be dead.

,sasuke was roughly equivilent to lee not as fast as him,cs1 kimi handled lee just fine

Yeah, roughly equivalent. When did Lee NOT have the upper hand in speed? Never. 2 Tomoe Sasuke from the CHUNIN EXAMS, AKA before SRA and before 3rd tomoe(which casually shits on the second tomoe, of course you wouldn't realize that since you ignored my post)

whike seeing him as a stronger opponent than kn0 naruto,although lee just recovered.

Yeah, KN0 naruto with 1 THOUSANDTH of his normal chakra count who didn't give a crap about Kimimaro and wanted to chase after Sasuke. Why do you people think all manga fights are black and white? That's ridiculously absurd. It's official, Hebi Sasuke>>>>Itachi, would you like me to get a dozen other fights in which one side would never ever have even stood a chance if everything wasn't stacked in their favor or one contender didn't have a ridiculous disadvantage?

Kimimaro was wll ahead of sasuke by that time,and am not a fanboy of kimi,i dont even like him,am just saying the obvious truth.

Obvious truth? You're clearly a fanboy or backing him up because you'd done so previously and refuse ot admit when proven wrong. I wouldn't say it's the "obvious truth" because manga panels, on screen fact proves you wrong. This is literal denial and neglect at this point. I post a pic of color green, you ignore it and act like it's blue.

You are the only one who thinks sasuke can win.

Then I'm the only one who's correct. Argumentum ad populum.

So base Lee = base Kimmimaro = base Sasuke in speed. With the CS Kimmimaro is obviously faster but so is Sasuke. You say that 3 tomoe Sasuke is faster than 2 tomoe Sasuke but this is wrong because the only difference is that the tracking abilities of the sharingan are enhanced.

If that were the case then why was KN0 Naruto who was beating the crap out of 2 tomoe with 0 difficulty suddenly outclassed in speed and being crapped on by Sasuke himself? "Tracking abilities"=/=speed? That's fine if you want to refer to it like that, but by that point it's semantics because Sasuke can react and fight against someone who's on an entirely different level than Kimimaro's speed.

IMO after reading your post CS2 Kimmimaro = CS2 Sasuke in speed but Sasuke has a slight advantage because of his eyes. Anyway, if Sasuke is impaled by a bone sword, he will die.

Like I said to the other guy, key word is IF. It will never happen, 3 tomoe lets Sasuke react to literally anything Kimimaro can throw at him. The speed level went far beyond Kimimaro's from basically the THIRD SCAN I posted in my other post, forget about the entire post. It's just horrible overkill. How anyone can think Kimimaro stands any chance whatsoever baffles me, the only logical conclusion is they're a fanboy, or already said Kimi wins so their minds are set on never admitting when proven wrong. Or, they ignored my post or can't comprehend the manga scans.

If Kimmimaro is impaled by a chidori, he will take some damage but will survive.

Where is the proof in this, he has never taken an attack as destructive as Chidori, it created huge craters in giant boulders, ripped apart concrete walls and easily tore through a giant steel water tank. Chidori's cut things far greater than Kimi's bones ever have on a regular basis.

Sasuke can only use chidori three times in a battle unlike Kimmimaro who can use all sorts of attacks before dying of his illness. It should be clear that Kimmimaro is the winner but you are the only one not admitting to this.

Kimimaro can use plenty of attacks, they are all fodder taijutsu which Sasuke is heavily superior in. 3rd tomoe lets him effectively react to literally everything Kimimaro can even hope to throw at him, and he will slip a chidori in there and GG Kimi. There is literally nothing he can do, Sasuke has pre-cog, he just uses chidori in conjunction and Kimimaro helplessly moves into it. His speed is far inferior, as is his tiajutsu, he has literally no way to touch Sasuke let alone CS1 or 2.

This is the same guy who kept up with Kyubbi cloak Naruto without tails and one gated Lee. Even if Sasuke somehow has the speed advantage which I doubt because Kimmimaro got a higher score in speed in the 2nd databook, Kimmimaro has an advantage over part 1 Sasuke in almost every category.

This is incorrect. He never kept up with 1st gated Lee, his bones tanked the initial kick for him. Lee outsped him with ease, and in base mode Kimimaro was roughly equal. He never kept up with KN0 Naruto either, that's also ridiculous, since Naruto had one thousand clones and was at one thousandth normal chakra count. I'm surprised people even use that against him as a valid evidence, but knowing NB I guess it shouldn't be a surprise.

Yeah, trying to use Kimimaro's 4.5 in the DB as an advantage while Lee has the same and Sasuke was already faster than weightless Lee in the beginning of the chunin exams...probably not the best idea if you're trying to back Kimimaro up.

 

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First scan, keep in mind, this is 2-tomoe base Sasuke. Weightless Lee speed? Ok, that's perfect.
Notice they said he is about weightless Lee's speed. Lee was still faster than him obviously but he had improved his speed to such an extent where the gap wasn't too big. the databook confirms that Lee was still a bit faster than Sasuke.

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So as it's all known, Kimi "keeping up" with base Lee, note the second he entered even the first gate Kimimaro was outsped entirely. Their taijutsu skirmishes were fairly evenly matched, Kimimaro never landed a hit on Lee(bar the time he was drunk and reckless), likewise Base Lee Who Had Just Recovered From Surgery And Was Not Allowed To Use Gates(just so the conditions are clear) also never managed to hit Kimimaro in that time without being drunk. Also, take note here the following scans:

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Remember that it was said the reason Lee landed a hit because it was 'unpredictable' and not a 'linear' straightforward anticipate-able attack. Remember that for later.

To conclude the above: We have it established, that Kimimaro is equal to or around Weightless(possibly weightED) Lee's speed at that time. Lee also effectively reacted to Seedling Fern dance and noticed it pop out, it's by no means instant. ANYWAY point is, we have gotten Kimimaro's speed established. This was his general acceptance of speed so not much to be said there.
No Kimimaro is much faster than weighted Lee and you didn't prove anything. He is slightly faster than weightless Lee based on the scans you posted who is slightly faster than Sasuke.
Skipping ahead to the VotE fight:

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I could post the rest of the panels, but anyway same idea. CS1 Sasuke outspeeds Base Naruto easily. Naruto can't touch him. Still 2-tomoe.
Lol Naruto was quite slow in base.

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Meanwhile, Naruto takes a chidori through the lung..

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...and KN0 Naruto proceeds to regenerate from it instantly.

From those scans we can conclude that Kimimaro has no real way to hurt Naruto, or keep up with Sasuke, but don't worry in case you're still somehow filled with doubt that definitely does not end there. Proceeding!
Well he can't regenerate indefinitely so Naruto will eventually get killed. He is no immortal.

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Oh...and if it wasn't clear by now, this is Naruto actually trying.

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Yeah, remember the 2 tomoe base Sasuke who>=weightless Lee, who was easily beating the crap out of Naruto and Naru couldn't land one hit? Not so easy now, is it? And did you also note roaring away a katon: goukakyu?
Nope weightless Lee>=2 tomoe base Sasuke
So from that, the manga has already practically confirmed as a fact(which you can get the proof from by reading all of the above), that the scales are something like this: "Lee~=Kimimaro~=2 tomoe base Sasuke>>>Base Naruto<<<<2 tomoe base Sasuke<<<<<KN0 Naruto. I could have formatted that a bit better, but yeah it's not that hard to get the picture.

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, that's not even the end of it but I would easily give it to Sasuke as of yet(Naruto is a no-brainer).

It's not like I posted the past panels of chidori ripping through concrete with ease and creating giant craters in boulders... but hey, they're there. Kimi took what, a kick from base Lee and said it hurt?
Kimimaro's bones are stronger than tempered steel. Boulders are weaker than tempered steel. Try again my friend.
KN0 Naruto is literally top of the top as of yet, blitzing 2 tomoe Sasuke who was as fast as weightless Lee, who's around Kimimaro's speed. Now meanwhile KN0 Naruto is beating the crap out of Sasuke who performed all those feats with ease, while taking a chidori through the lung and regening instantly, again like I said. Naruto is easily above Kimimaro's level as of yet for obvious reasons that this paragraph summarized, Sasuke is, well he's a good match so far. There's plenty more, so allow us to proceed.
You do realize that Kimimaro was blitzing KN0 Naruto.

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After an emotional conversation..the 3rd tomoe is activated. Shit gets real at this point. This is DBZ level shit up in here. Lean back son, enjoy the stompage.

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Would you look at that? 3-tomoe Sasuke, easily and effortlessly dodges KN0 Naruto. The one who was blitzing and beating the shit out of him just a minute before...you know, the 2 tomoe Sasuke who was roughly equal to Lee/Kimi in speed? Yeah. I'd like to take this second to point out that during the chunin exam arc and SRA arc Lee was in the hospital, Sasuke actually was free to do whatever he wanted *cough, train, cough* during that time. If anything, Sasuke was even fasterr at that point, I might as well give you "2 tomoe Sasuke is slightly inferior" even when manga says otherwise, 'cause you're gonna need it because it ain't over.

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BOOM! Simple, effortless. The guy who's far superior to Kimimaro in speed is being walked all around by Sasuke. Add Chidori to that? That's kind of the point of "Chidori's weakness" and requiring the eye to see counters. I'd say it's confirmed fact Kimimaro stands literally no chance now as he's far too slow. But alas, I will give you that one as well. Please settle down, man, the Path of Shame continues onward!
But he isn't since Kimimaro himself was blitzing KN0 Naruto's clones try again.

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This is just complete and utter stompage! Are you sure you want to continue down the path of shame? This mainly completes the Sasuke Portion. It's ok, you can quit if you want. Are you sure?
>Yes
>No

Bloop! Answer detected. Machine does not care if you want to continue or not. Proceeding!

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Sasuke has Naruto pinned, so he completely shat on KN0 Naruto. Who was just Top Tier Level a couple minutes ago. Hahaha, you remember that don't you?

Nope, like I said. DBZ level shit. Continuing.

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The KN1 has risen. Prepare for harder stompage.

(Well, in all fairness, it was confirmed awhile ago that KN0 Naruto craps on Kimi...and 3-tomoe Sasuke outsped him and was superior in ever category, that speaks for itself. I said I'd give you it since there's much more of a reason why Kimimaro can't compare though, so why not make it overkill.)
No it wasn't since Kimimaro was blitzing KN0 Naruto idiot.

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Note how Naruto got much faster, and Sasuke isn't effortlessly crapping on him any more. Naruto appeared behind him, Sasuke saw through it of course, he's actually up for a challenge? Unheard of!

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Oh yeah, KN1 chakra. GG.
Pure speculation since even if Kimimaro gets blitzed which I doubt, he can use bones to cover himself up. He was also blitzed by gated Lee or so you claim but nothing really happened. The same thing would happen here.

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Remember that little bit about drunken Lee being unpredictable? Not even 3 tomoe sharingan can predict chakra that moves of its own accord. If that doesn't say complete stompage, stacked WITH the fact that this Naruto is keeping up with the Top Tiered Sasuke who shat on everyone else thus far? I seriously feel the need to emphasize this point very strongly as it will be ignored, this is truly near manga fact their speed levels are on another level. I want to post the ranking chart every time, it's simply common sense from reading the pages. Anyway, yeah. 2 Tomoe Sasuke: Good match for Kimi, probably wins. KN0 Naruto: Beats Kimi pretty easily.
Lol if Kimimaro was crapping on KN0 Naruto than he doesn't beat him easily.
...so, 3-tomoe Sasuke? Kimimaro hasn't a chance in the world. Oh, what's that? I forgot about KN1?

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Oh yeah.. that monster is a whole other story.

Meanwhile, Naruto proceeded to give Sasuke a thorough beatdown. Those scans are more overkill than required though, no point any more.

Reflecting time on recent pages. Yeah, so basically this guy doesn't even need to do anything now, he sat there and just took the giant goukakyu head on, his chakra literally protected his body, and a TAILLESS INFERIOR FORM regenerated from a chidorid lung near instantly. You or anyone at all expect Kimimaro to be able to do anything to Naruto?
The chakra isn't infinite and Naruto would eventually die. Kimimaro's bones were strong enough to give Gaara's defence lots of trouble and you think the chakra will protect him. Nonsense.
NOW do you see why I laugh so hard at those ridiculous claims? He's completely outclassed in speed, power, endurance, literally every category, Kimimaro can't even hope to compare. His showings, completely pale in comparison. As I said previously this is literal manga fact.
Despite being sick and near death, he displayed all those things your talking about. Need I go on how Itachi's speed was considered low comparing it to healthy Itachi. Well with the same logic we can conclude that Kimimaro would have been much faster if he was fully healthy.
In fact, I have not even brought CS2 in the mix, it's not even required in any sense whatsoever. People think he can take BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME?
Lol Kimimaro also has CS2 and you never mentioned it and how it improves his stats as well. You just lost the debate.
I am not sure what I left out of this, but there's still plenty of material I left out and didn't post, way more evidence to convict Kimimaro of 'not being as strong as everyone says'. To conclude, unless you are a fanboy or ridiculously, absurdly prideful or similar, it is highly doubtful anyone would ever deny that Kimimaro is stronger than Unrestricted Lee, Part 1 Naruto and Sasuke after reading my post. All three of them are completely on another level than him.

For insurance, I'm not boasting highly of my 'skill' by claiming "if you read my post you'll instantly change sides", far from it actually. What I did was post the scans from the manga simply, which is why I think the claims that Kimimaro is so strong is ridiculously absurd and that he is ridiculously overrated.

Now, please take a look at some of the threads I mentioned in the beginning before the "Path of Shame" as I arbitrarily named it, and see if your views on them changed at all. I don't expect any one to read this especially Kimimaro fans, hell if they say anything, but even if you don't respond ITT I'll personally know you won't think Kimimaro is so damn strong any more. To quote the beginning.


tl;dr, guys i have cansur can i have free reps

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Kimimaro fodderizes Sasuke low diff, with out CS2.

 

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Asking for rep is not allowed. Are you asking for a neg rep? My replies are in bold.

Duude....wtf. You put the replies inside the quotes. Of that gigantic post. Which means I'll have to sift through everything and copy and paste your specific posts through th ewhole thing..Sigh I'll try to do what I can but I can't really do shit now it'll be extremely annoying copy/pasting that whole thing and finding out who said what and replying.

I really hate to be nit picky or a douche about it.. but this is going to be reallly annoying to respond to. Come on man.

Also, I lol'd at how you quoted the entire post, i mean the least you could have done was spoiler tagged man. I digress ok ok now to quoting.

Alright I finally quoted everything after literally like 30 minutes of non stop quoting, just please don't put your replies within the quotes next time...I think that can go without saying bro. Thankz.

To the replies! Cha~!

Notice they said he is about weightless Lee's speed. Lee was still faster than him obviously but he had improved his speed to such an extent where the gap wasn't too big. the databook confirms that Lee was still a bit faster than Sasuke.

Databook confirms, and as you agreed with me in another thread, quality and vast vast quantity supports the opposite.

No Kimimaro is much faster than weighted Lee and you didn't prove anything. He is slightly faster than weightless Lee based on the scans you posted who is slightly faster than Sasuke.

Yes, I would agree, since everything else in the majority completely outclasses all of those you mentioned, to quote my fellow brother it is like adding 1 to infinity, after a point there's extremely little relevance in the difference.

Well he can't regenerate indefinitely so Naruto will eventually get killed. He is no immortal.

Yeah, I posted that to prove if KN0, a far superior regenerating form to KN1 could regenerate that instantly, KN1 has far greater ability in every category, and in that case Kimimaro has literally zero ways to hurt Naruto. He's not trumping a giant hole through Naruto's lung, and that was an inferior form of regeneration to what he's fully capable of.

Kimimaro's bones are stronger than tempered steel. Boulders are weaker than tempered steel. Try again my friend.

Since when does chidori blasting through gigantic boulders with ease mean Kimimaro's steel-esque bones will just go away unharmed? Taking an attack unharmed and just walking off scot-free like you seem to think Kimimaro can do is a bnit different, besides Chidori tore through Gaara's sand and a giant steel water tower with ease.

Kimimaro's bones were strong enough to give Gaara's defence lots of trouble and you think the chakra will protect him. Nonsense.

Actually it's far form nonsense as you saw in the scans, he ltierally stood there as giant blast of intense flames enveloped him, and he regenerated chidori in the lung instantly with no damage. Rasengan woul destroy him as well.

Pure speculation since even if Kimimaro gets blitzed which I doubt, he can use bones to cover himself up. He was also blitzed by gated Lee or so you claim but nothing really happened. The same thing would happen here.

You're comparing a 1st Gate Lee kick to Chidori and Rasengan, attacks of incredible piercing power and strength? I don't know about you judging by what you said, but I think I can tell you what would win if Rasengan and Lee's kick clashed. Kimimaro stopped Lee's kick with his bones, he's not going unharmed from an attack that's cut things far stronger than his bones and destroyed boulders,walls and steel with ease.

You do realize that Kimimaro was blitzing KN0 Naruto.
But he isn't since Kimimaro himself was blitzing KN0 Naruto's clones try again.
No it wasn't since Kimimaro was blitzing KN0 Naruto idiot.

You also realize that Naruto's chakra was split into 1000ths right? Kimimaro fought 1,000 clones with their chakra split up into 1/1000s in a taijutsu match, so what? What you say he did is completely exaggerating and baseless. I really really hope you realize that.

This whole deal about "Kimimaro blitzed KN0 easily therefore your entire post is bullshit" invalidates basically everything you wrote. Your entire post is based around that and you even saying that in the first place proves you ignored the parts of my posts that were actually important and matters, you ignored the scans and whatnot that already proved all of this wrong.

Anyway, Kimimaro never blitzed KN0 who was actually trying or anything close to that, that is complete and utter fact. As for everything else regarding Kimimaro getting completely blitzed and destroyed, you seemed to ignore that much. I'll also have this be known: even if what you said was true and Kimimaro easily blitzes KN0 Naruto, that's fine because Sasuke craps on both of them.

Lol if Kimimaro was crapping on KN0 Naruto than he doesn't beat him easily.

Good thing he was far from crapping on KN0 Naruto and you highly exaggerate that.

The chakra isn't infinite and Naruto would eventually die.

2 way street, Kimimaro has far from infinite chakra.

Lol Kimimaro also has CS2 and you never mentioned it and how it improves his stats as well. You just lost the debate.

I didn't lose shit, I completely disregarded Sasuke's CS2 as well just for your sake. But, assuming you're actually going to pay attention to the scans I use, I challenge you to post 1 shred of CS2 evidence that puts Kimi near Sasuke's level at all. Come on.

Also, going by what you said above CS2 is extremely draining Kimimaro would die extremely quickly if he kept that up. But he will nevere be able to touch Sasuke or Naruto it's fine.

Despite being sick and near death, he displayed all those things your talking about. Need I go on how Itachi's speed was considered low comparing it to healthy Itachi. Well with the same logic we can conclude that Kimimaro would have been much faster if he was fully healthy.

I don't remember anything ever being said about Itachi's speed to be honest, and that would be 100% speculation even if that was the case.

The rep thing was a joke, btw. BUT WAIT, this is my chance. Alright, legitimately neg me right now. I haven't had a neg in a long time, if you haven't noticed I'm not the most well liked person on the base. So I'm getting pretty scared/paranoid or some shit. Ok thanks for the neg gogogo