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Doesn't matter who is what....there is a bigger opponent out there and luffy isn't fighting him.....
[Discussion] Chrollo vs Pitou
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What's stopping Chrollo from stealing her nen ability? Pitou has both medical & offensive abilities which can be helpful for Chrollo during the fight. Zeno found him so much of a threat that he was willing to risk his life to kill him, he never did that with Pitou. Pitou also seems like the weakest out of the royal guard trio. I can understand Chrollo losing to Youpi but I doubt the leader of the phantom troupe will lose to someone like Pitou. I'm sure Chrollo has stolen badass nen abilities before that we never seen before so it's early to judge.
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What's stooping him from stealing her abilities? Maybe because he can't steal it right away, and his ability to steal nen isn't stooping him from betting blitzed. Zeno said Chrollo was a risk to his life but not Pitou, maybe because Zeno never actually fought a legit fight against Pitou unlike Chrollo. Pitou is actually the strongest of the RG trio, and I think it was said she had the greatest nen out of then aswell. You severely underestimate Pitou, she was stronger than Netero at one point, and Chrollo has never been stronger than Netero. So once again I'll ask, what's stopping Chrollo from getting blitzed?
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Nobody is fighting him that's the point. If he was fighting the crew he'd fight Luffy. It's not even a guess that's just the way Oda makes his battles.
malice is hatred and since Illumi actually loves his brother and Hisoka is in it for the thrill of the fight not hatred, then of course Pitou, a killing machine's, malice will be stronger. Does he say Pitou's nen level or anything like that or just malice because malice does not equate power levels.
Adult Gon is not what's needed here. Just because Gon killed Pitou as Adult Gon doesn't mean that's what is required to kill Pitou. Gon clearly went overkill due to his emotions from Kite's death. What you need to ask is does he have speeds comparable to Kite. The answer is yes, because Kite, despite all his hype, has very little feats. Chrollo was fast enough to survive against Zeno/Silva who are both faster and stronger than Kite.
Pitou isn't the strongest of the RG, Youpi is. The Chimera Ant have always been born stronger than the ant that hatched before. Why would this suddenly stop at the RG? Look at their nen abilities. Pitou-Dr.Blythe Terrescorphia(sp? name?), the puppet ability. One is used to heal the other uses a corpse to fight for her or turn her dead body into one last attack. Do those sound like the abilities of fighter? She has raw strength absolutely but Youpi's abilities are clearly more adept for fighting, body manipulation and energy explosions. Show me where it says Pitou was the strongest of the RG and had the strongest Nen. As for what's keepin him from getting blitzed, how about teleportation.
People seem to forget the skills Chrollo showed us, how does Pitou stop Indoor Fish if she gets led into a situation like Meruem did? How does she get out of Fun Fun Cloth if she get's caught trying to "blitz" someone who could keep up with two assassins from the top assassin family and arguably the 2 strongest in the family currently? How about the fact that Chrollo wasn't fighting serious in that fight he was trying to get their abilities. Or the fact that Chrollo still has a book of abilities to use and Pitou is dead with just 3, Chrollo by default goes into this battle with a wider array of tools and an advantage.
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Law fought with Fuji too, but neither of them are Strawhats, so what exactly is your point? It still doesn't change the fact that whoever the Strawhats fight Luffy fights the strongest opponent. You're sticking on this like it's some valid counter point, Luffy fights the strongest opponent facing the Strawhats. Just because someone stronger happens to be in the city doesn't mean he's going to fight them when he already has someone to fight. When the Strawhats fight the Marines again he'll face Fuji unless more admirals come with him which is likely then Zoro will face Fuji and Luffy will fight one of the other Admirals.
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Again luffy isn't facing the strongest opponent....fujitora was supposed to fight strawhats
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Nope the Strawhats were always supposed to fight the Doflamingo Pirtaes, notice how everyone who's fighting is fighting a Flamingo executive, not any marines or VA's. The revs are fighting the Marines, you can sit here and say no over and over again like a child if you feel like it but it won't change what's happened in the manga. Plus just because Fuji is an Admiral we can't just chalk him up as stronger, the only real attack he's shown us, meteor dropping, has already been handled by Doflamingo twice. Luffy fights the strongest opponent and right now the Flamingo Pirates are their opponents not the Marines, if the Marines were their opponents they'd be fighting them more than they are. Again Luffy is facing the strongest opponent from his target.
Pitou was said to have the greatest nen, also where was it said the later they;re born the stronger they are huh? This only applies for the king, and that's because they spent time feeding him more human, and they had to find rare human. This doesn't apply for the RG. Terroscopia or whatever is a fighter ability, it even says it amplifies Pitou's strength that's a ability for a fighter. And Chrollo doesn't have telaportation why are you making stuff up he gets blitzed by Pitou.
How does Pitou get by indoor fish, you do realise the fish have to be able to hurt Pitou for it to work, she in no way is getting hurt by the fish making his move useless. Why on earth do you think fodder fish would be able to hurt Pitou. Fun fun cloth if not enough to beat Pitou if he gets caught in it. Plus he won't even get hit by it because he can blitz Chrollo, Chrollo kept up with Silva and Zeno who were nowhere near as fast as Pitou. Non ff Chrollo's abilities matter if he can't use them
How does Pitou get by indoor fish, you do realise the fish have to be able to hurt Pitou for it to work, she in no way is getting hurt by the fish making his move useless. Why on earth do you think fodder fish would be able to hurt Pitou. Fun fun cloth if not enough to beat Pitou if he gets caught in it. Plus he won't even get hit by it because he can blitz Chrollo, Chrollo kept up with Silva and Zeno who were nowhere near as fast as Pitou. Non ff Chrollo's abilities matter if he can't use them
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"Pitou was said to have the greatest nen," Where does it say she had the greatest nen and Killuas statement about Hisoka and illumi doesn't apply because it's not comparing to any of the other guards.
"also where was it said the later they;re born the stronger they are huh? " The manga shows each new wave of Chimera Ants being stronger than the previous ones. It doesn't express it out-right it shows you through the manga when the newer ants are squad leaders and are more advanced then the first batch of ants hatched who are the soldiers. After leaders it went on reaching the RG then eventually the King. Each new generation got closer and closer to the king.
"Terroscopia or whatever is a fighter ability, it even says it amplifies Pitou's strength that's a ability for a fighter. " AFTER DEATH, it raises her stats once she has died. That's not a fighter technique or letting your body be manipulated to fight better how is that a fighter technique, she's relying on it to make her fight better than her opponent if she can't on her own.
"And Chrollo doesn't have telaportation why are you making stuff up he gets blitzed by Pitou." Chrollo used his teleportation skill from his book on Nobunaga when he was going to fight Hisoka.
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Scroll down to powers and tell me what the first one you see is. Who's making up what now? Just because you don't know about something doesn't make it false, buddy try harder. Type: Specialization Teleportation
Chrollo Teleport 2011 The ability to teleport a person back and forth from one place to another, without that person's consent. He uses it on Nobunaga when he is about to attack Hisoka[79], as quarrels inside the Troupe are supposed to be either solved verbally or, if no solution can be found, by coin flipping.
"How does Pitou get by indoor fish, you do realise the fish have to be able to hurt Pitou for it to work, she in no way is getting hurt by the fish making his move useless. Why on earth do you think fodder fish would be able to hurt Pitou." Do you even remember how Indoor Fish worked? I don't think you do. A conjured fish that can only survive in a completely sealed room. The fish looks like a skeleton and feeds on human flesh. While the person is being fed on, they neither feel pain or lose blood, and will stay conscious despite being mortally wounded. Once the fish disappears, the usual effects of the wounds manifest, often killing the victim. It was first used when fighting an assassin hired by Zenji.[80] Again How DOESN't it? You can't answer my question by asking me to say it again, that's not how it works. How does Pitou survive Indoor Fish? After the first bite with no pain she won't even think twice about it until it's too late.
"Fun fun cloth if not enough to beat Pitou if he gets caught in it." Again HOW ISN'T IT? Simply saying so isn't a point or an argument or evidence or anything except your opinion. How does she get out of Fun Fun Cloth? Explain yourself don't just make a statement with no credibility or explanation and think you accomplished something. Pitou would be the size smaller than a palm what could she do? She could have the strength of 50 Netero but when she's the size of a quarter or just bigger that means nothing.
"Chrollo kept up with Silva and Zeno who were nowhere near as fast as Pitou. " How do you know whether they were faster or slower than Pitou? This is just another baseless claim you can try to use to gas up a character you like. The two have never shown comparable speed feats so you can't actually compare them, you just believe that Pitou is faster because, so far that's the only answer to anything you've given is just because.
"Non ff Chrollo's abilities matter if he can't use them" Who says he can't use them? You? Because you assume Pitou automatically gets to speed blitz for some unknown reason. When you wanna come back with some validation to your claims feel free until then, keep thinking whatever you wanna think even if it's wrong.
Knov even comments on Pitou's nen, when Know enters the pace he feels Piouf nen and so does Palm and it was said to not be ass bad as Pitou's it compares it to another guard Pitou was also shown to have the greatest en aswell and the best nen control.
You said it yourself each GENERATION is closer too the King not each individual ant, plus Bolt was one of the first ants born and he was a captain level ant, it does not show that the later than ant is born the stronger he is. The only person this applies for is the KING. So no it doesn't work like that.
Are you dumb it makes her stronger while she is alive, it amplifies her strength when she's alive. It gives her a bigger boost when she is dead. That is a fighters ability.
Lol bring me a scan of him using it, yo do know the wiki always ****s up on things, hence why it;s not a reliable source get me a scan on it. And even if he does have it you do know he has to activate it, if he gets blitzed he doesn't have time to activate it.
Have we ever since fun cloth do any has it ever captured anyone it doesn't have any feats how can it capture Pitou, she wouldn't even get hit by it either due to being way faster than Chrollo. Show m Fun cloth's FEATS...O I'LL BE WAITING.
Lol Zeno and Silva have no speed feats, while Pitou was shown to be able to cover multiple KM in sceonds when she blitzed Kaito, and Kaito is a strong fighter yet he couldn't even turn his body to tell Gon and Killua to run away before he had got blitzed. And it was implied that Pitou could go even faster than that. Zeno and Silva have no good speed feats, while the fastest member of the Troupe couldn't even blitz Zazan, so my statemt isn't bas3less so please tell me how he doesn't get blitzed again?
You said it yourself each GENERATION is closer too the King not each individual ant, plus Bolt was one of the first ants born and he was a captain level ant, it does not show that the later than ant is born the stronger he is. The only person this applies for is the KING. So no it doesn't work like that.
Are you dumb it makes her stronger while she is alive, it amplifies her strength when she's alive. It gives her a bigger boost when she is dead. That is a fighters ability.
Lol bring me a scan of him using it, yo do know the wiki always ****s up on things, hence why it;s not a reliable source get me a scan on it. And even if he does have it you do know he has to activate it, if he gets blitzed he doesn't have time to activate it.
Have we ever since fun cloth do any has it ever captured anyone it doesn't have any feats how can it capture Pitou, she wouldn't even get hit by it either due to being way faster than Chrollo. Show m Fun cloth's FEATS...O I'LL BE WAITING.
Lol Zeno and Silva have no speed feats, while Pitou was shown to be able to cover multiple KM in sceonds when she blitzed Kaito, and Kaito is a strong fighter yet he couldn't even turn his body to tell Gon and Killua to run away before he had got blitzed. And it was implied that Pitou could go even faster than that. Zeno and Silva have no good speed feats, while the fastest member of the Troupe couldn't even blitz Zazan, so my statemt isn't bas3less so please tell me how he doesn't get blitzed again?
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" if he gets blitzed " This right here is your entire argument and you have no justification for it other than you believe it to be, they've never showed comparable feats of speed so they can't be compared accurately.
" bring me a scan of him using it" "Have we ever since fun cloth do any has it ever captured anyone" It captured some of the Phantom Troupe and I don't need to bring you the scans i'm not the one who forgot what happened in the manga.
"Zeno and Silva have no speed feats" Why would they need feats beyond being exclaimed by the author to be the deadliest family in the manga?
"Kaito is a strong fighter" You talk about show me this show me that feat feat feat, Kaito is the biggest hyped character yet. He was trained by Ging so people automatically assume he's top notch. Show me how he's a top fighter. He had 3 maybe 4 battles, he took out a bear thing attacking gon pre hunter exam/a chimera ant/a wave of chimera ant soldiers/Pitou? 2 easy fights, 1 impressive feat and death.
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Again, in the fraction of a second. These attacks take virtually no time and Pitou not knowing anything about him won't think anything about him holding a book. Save your blitzes for the NFL they don't belong here.
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There were no underestimation at all. He was clearly weaker at that point. He became stronger later on, and eventhen it wasn't really a one-shot. He only pushed him/her out of the way to avoid any conflict and useless fight that could cost him before reaching the King