Chiyo vs Zabuza

[Draegod]

Chiyo wins

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Dis-proven? Mist is Mist. His mist is just his charka when he releases it he uses a sign it comes. It uses water from the surrounding area like regular mist we see in real life.

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Now it it is pushed back with her puppets all she would need to do is get close to the puppets on the side of them.

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Okay I edited. Now here let me write some things and finishing blows.

Zabuza is known to have attacked a kage and failed. Wit that being said he is not weak, but Chiyo has fought with Tsunade a kage now, white fang many of times (Kakashi dad), and Sasori her grandson who killed a kage.

Now look how Zabuza died. He died fighting regular humans at the end with no arms. Amazing he is a beast. It was him and Haku vs team 7 but he lost at the end. Now look at Chiyo she is not simply slow she has this.

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Each puppet for each finger. The puppets are known to take out whole Castle. What is a castle probable a fort with defense and offense capabilities guarded by warrior that are maybe human in Naruto. As seen in the Samurai arch filler. However those same puppet when against the Red Secret

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tech

This Secret tech has fought whole countries. Yes whole Countries. So let me ask you how does 10 puppets fight over 100 that fought whole countries. But Zaubuza at the end dies wounds suffer from team 7 and some hits taken from humans. Yes he only have a weapon in his mouth but he did not even destroy all the humans. Maybe he was dying and had a goal. Maybe. But even if he was health him taken on 10 puppets that took on a castle than a 100 pupppet who took on a country he is not winning.

Yes he has a weapon

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But most of all the ten puppet has weapons

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So she is not carrying weak puppet who uses most hand to hand and which has a hand to hand puppet also.

Even if Zabuza get even out alive. She is skilled at close range too and have defense which she could use to destroy him.

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She might even use poison.

Sorry but he is no match for her

This whole post is full of flaws/invalid:

1. Zabuza's mist isn't just mist, it's chakra infused mist which is how he controls the thickness of it. If it was just mist, Kakashi would be able to see through it with his Sharingan but he can't because his chakra is covered throughout the whole mist/area.

2. Chiyo's tornado technique only covers short-mid range where as the mist covers all ranges that extend very far. So even if she pushed some mist back, it would fill in again. Also, if she just stands to the side of her puppets, similar to a Manji defense formation, Zabuza has shown to get around defenses like that with no difficulty.

3. When has it been stated that Chiyo fought Tsunade and The White Fang many times? If I recall, she stated that Tsunade is her biggest rival with medical jutsu and every poison she created, Tsunade made an antidote. It was never stated they fought in battle. Also, If I recall, she held a grudge against The White Fang because he killed Sasori's parents. She didn't state she faced off with him multiple or even one time. Another thing, Sasori would have killed Chiyo and Sakura but he chose to get caught in her trap as Chiyo even admitted. Chiyo claimed that she should have been the dead one, not him. Provide me scans if I'm wrong, however, I'm nearly positive I'm right.

4. Zabuza chose to die. He said he is happy with choosing to end his life because he realized all the things he has done was wrong, and that ninja aren't just tools. If he wanted to, he could have ran away and escaped and Kakashi wouldn't stop him because since Gato broke the deal, they had no reason to fight, just how Kakashi let Gato's thugs get away. If Zabuza had his arms, he would obliterate those thugs in a heart beat. He charged with just a kunai against hundreds of thugs, killed some, and got through them to get to Gato then he decapitated Gato's head with just a kunai. It doesn't matter if he died because he got killed by them, he chose to have it end that way.

5. Chiyo may have took down a castle with just like you said, normal humans. However, if Zabuza wanted to with his mist, it is debatable that he could too. We saw when he was Edo of how easily he took down Chuunin. He took down three Chuunin in just one scan, and if he was Edo longer, he would wipe out a hell of a lot more. Here, he attacked The Hidden Mist village, which a castle doesn't even compare to, got through all of the Mist's defenses and offenses and even made it to where their Mizukage was, which who was actually Obito, and managed to escape alive. If he can break through one of the five main villages defenses and offenses, it shouldn't be much difficulty for him to attack a castle.

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Zabuza could take a good amount of those puppets down with his huge large scale Suiton, Giant Vortex Jutsu. He could probably hold off the puppets with dozens of Water Clones too.

Saying Zabuza is "no match" for Chiyo further proves that you are underrating Zabuza.

Zabuza takes this high diff, Chiyo doesn't have a counter to the mist, thus can't avoid his unrivaled Silent Killing. Deal with it.

Chiyo wins

No she doesn't, unless you want to provide arguments to prove me wrong?

 

[Guntah]

chiyo win only due to 10 puppet, if she not take that out she get defeat
[video=youtube;mklsLPqrGtI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mklsLPqrGtI[/video]chiyo wins

True. Plus rep for you.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

True. Plus rep for you.

Nah man. Chiyo can't win

 

[Draegod]

This whole post is full of flaws/invalid:

1. Zabuza's mist isn't just mist, it's chakra infused mist which is how he controls the thickness of it. If it was just mist, Kakashi would be able to see through it with his Sharingan but he can't because his chakra is covered throughout the whole mist/area.

2. Chiyo's tornado technique only covers short-mid range where as the mist covers all ranges that extend very far. So even if she pushed some mist back, it would fill in again. Also, if she just stands to the side of her puppets, similar to a Manji defense formation, Zabuza has shown to get around defenses like that with no difficulty.

3. When has it been stated that Chiyo fought Tsunade and The White Fang many times? If I recall, she stated that Tsunade is her biggest rival with medical jutsu and every poison she created, Tsunade made an antidote. It was never stated they fought in battle. Also, If I recall, she held a grudge against The White Fang because he killed Sasori's parents. She didn't state she faced off with him multiple or even one time. Another thing, Sasori would have killed Chiyo and Sakura but he chose to get caught in her trap as Chiyo even admitted. Chiyo claimed that she should have been the dead one, not him. Provide me scans if I'm wrong, however, I'm nearly positive I'm right.

4. Zabuza chose to die. He said he is happy with choosing to end his life because he realized all the things he has done was wrong, and that ninja aren't just tools. If he wanted to, he could have ran away and escaped and Kakashi wouldn't stop him because since Gato broke the deal, they had no reason to fight, just how Kakashi let Gato's thugs get away. If Zabuza had his arms, he would obliterate those thugs in a heart beat. He charged with just a kunai against hundreds of thugs, killed some, and got through them to get to Gato then he decapitated Gato's head with just a kunai. It doesn't matter if he died because he got killed by them, he chose to have it end that way.

5. Chiyo may have took down a castle with just like you said, normal humans. However, if Zabuza wanted to with his mist, it is debatable that he could too. We saw when he was Edo of how easily he took down Chuunin. He took down three Chuunin in just one scan, and if he was Edo longer, he would wipe out a hell of a lot more. Here, he attacked The Hidden Mist village, which a castle doesn't even compare to, got through all of the Mist's defenses and offenses and even made it to where their Mizukage was, which who was actually Obito, and managed to escape alive. If he can break through one of the five main villages defenses and offenses, it shouldn't be much difficulty for him to attack a castle.

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Zabuza could take a good amount of those puppets down with his huge large scale Suiton, Giant Vortex Jutsu. He could probably hold off the puppets with dozens of Water Clones too.

Saying Zabuza is "no match" for Chiyo further proves that you are underrating Zabuza.

Zabuza takes this high diff, Chiyo doesn't have a counter to the mist, thus can't avoid his unrivaled Silent Killing. Deal with it.




No she doesn't, unless you want to provide arguments to prove me wrong?

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Utter rape! GG.....

 

[sharingansennin]

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Utter rape! GG.....

zabuza's style is about assassination, a puppet user who fights far away with multiple puppets to defend herself is a terrible match up since zabuza is all about getting through defences with water clones. chiyo would go all out on a water clone or the real zabuza while the real zabuza or a water clone gets behind her during the hidden mist and kill instantly. and if chiyo does suck the mist with th epuppet and blow it behind it would just put it where zabuza wants it in his primary killing position with him to a person's back. one slice and chiyo is done for this blade don't cut twice.

 

[Draegod]

zabuza's style is about assassination, a puppet user who fights far away with multiple puppets to defend herself is a terrible match up since zabuza is all about getting through defences with water clones. chiyo would go all out on a water clone or the real zabuza while the real zabuza or a water clone gets behind her during the hidden mist and kill instantly. and if chiyo does suck the mist with th epuppet and blow it behind it would just put it where zabuza wants it in his primary killing position with him to a person's back. one slice and chiyo is done for this blade don't cut twice.

Not that simple! She isnt dumb and she isnt weak at close combat (she may not be the best, but she isnt weak). She has her chakra sheilds to block any attack zabuza would ever use, and she has puppets to protect her blind spots aswell. With poisons and traps set in place, it will be harder for Zabuza more then chiyo.

Zabuza can sneak all he would like, traps set in place and ready to be used is more than enough to kill!

Chiyo is simply in another league from Zabuza, she wins low difficulty (mid at best)

 

[NewKageism]

Shaneeyy no just no. Chiyo is here to rip Zabuza freshly bake killer buns and to roast them.

This whole post is full of flaws/invalid:

1. Zabuza's mist isn't just mist, it's chakra infused mist which is how he controls the thickness of it. If it was just mist, Kakashi would be able to see through it with his Sharingan but he can't because his chakra is covered throughout the whole mist/area.

Does not matter if it is charka infused with mist it is still water based and it is getting sucked into the vacuum and spit out through the back maybe dispersing it, because it is a gas. Also she does not need to be Kakashi to see through a weak attack like that. She would take it head on. Just as she see fit like a boss. No marko polo in the mist for her. Kids play but she is a old woman who lived through wars. "Nobody got time for that"

2. Chiyo's tornado technique only covers short-mid range where as the mist covers all ranges that extend very far. So even if she pushed some mist back, it would fill in again. Also, if she just stands to the side of her puppets, similar to a Manji defense formation, Zabuza has shown to get around defenses like that with no difficulty.

Who says her attack cover short or mid range? How do you know if the mist is traveling way back. Mist is just water vapors in a gas form. The vapors is out of her range enough to see Zabuza coming at her. Like we all stated she is not slow for her age dodging needles and doing flips. You think Zabuza could beat her like that please read up on Chiyo. Even if she is not the best she still got some close combat skills as we all seen in her bring back and her close puppet is going to be there for her defense

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does Zabuza really want to get smashed into piece while he attacks after Chiyo puts up a defense like this

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Even if he dodges the block and the puppet. The other puppets will be back on the offense. She can still open and close her palms and tosses a ball at his @ss

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Now this is GG they finish him off.

3. When has it been stated that Chiyo fought Tsunade and The White Fang many times? If I recall, she stated that Tsunade is her biggest rival with medical jutsu and every poison she created, Tsunade made an antidote. It was never stated they fought in battle. Also, If I recall, she held a grudge against The White Fang because he killed Sasori's parents. She didn't state she faced off with him multiple or even one time. Another thing, Sasori would have killed Chiyo and Sakura but he chose to get caught in her trap as Chiyo even admitted. Chiyo claimed that she should have been the dead one, not him. Provide me scans if I'm wrong, however, I'm nearly positive I'm right.

I never said fought in a battle. Fighting can be rivalry too. New sports stars do it vs legends in their mind, track stars beat each other records when the other one is not around. She makes poison and Tsunade counters it, her child fought white fang many times and they lost their lives another rivalry. I never said on the battle field also yes Sasori could have killed them at the end... Besides that they lived to make it to the end something Zabuza would or could not have the skills to do. She even carried along a useless girl name Sakura. While Zabuza got beat with a useful guy who makes ice who later died. Please comprehend that my man. Sakura lived gain battle experience Haku is dead at early age.

4. Zabuza chose to die. He said he is happy with choosing to end his life because he realized all the things he has done was wrong, and that ninja aren't just tools. If he wanted to, he could have ran away and escaped and Kakashi wouldn't stop him because since Gato broke the deal, they had no reason to fight, just how Kakashi let Gato's thugs get away. If Zabuza had his arms, he would obliterate those thugs in a heart beat. He charged with just a kunai against hundreds of thugs, killed some, and got through them to get to Gato then he decapitated Gato's head with just a kunai. It doesn't matter if he died because he got killed by them, he chose to have it end that way.

No. Just no my friend. He lost Haku to make him figure that out ninjas are not tools. The gold word is Haku. If he did not lose him/her he would have still been Zabuza. He choose to have it what way? Look again he was dying he got hit a few times but Kakashi was the one who took him out most. He did not have Haku dressed up as a hunter nin to save him this time because Haku was wasted on the ground. Yes he fought with a Kunai in his mouth but so did Oro and Deindra and a few others. But he did not get through hundredths it look like less than 100. So hundredths is not happening bro.

Also how do you know Kakashi was going to let him free? Yea those thugs he maybe let walk away because they were nobodies. But because he put Zabuza next to Haku you assume that? Remember Kakashi was ex-anbu and he was a missing nin. Kakashi could have had easily cash him in. EZ

5. Chiyo may have took down a castle with just like you said, normal humans. However, if Zabuza wanted to with his mist, it is debatable that he could too. We saw when he was Edo of how easily he took down Chuunin. He took down three Chuunin in just one scan, and if he was Edo longer, he would wipe out a hell of a lot more. Here, he attacked The Hidden Mist village, which a castle doesn't even compare to, got through all of the Mist's defenses and offenses and even made it to where their Mizukage was, which who was actually Obito, and managed to escape alive. If he can break through one of the five main villages defenses and offenses, it shouldn't be much difficulty for him to attack a castle.

Please it was a few powerful people with him in the coupe that happen. He went against a village he came from bro. Why would he not know the in and outs? The puppets conquer castles they knew nothing about. The red valets puppets countries. Hidden village resides under countries which a daimyō rules. If they needed help they would call on a village. But if the village needs help the Kage does not have that power to call on a country. So when the Zabuza was staging that coup it was that village vs coup. They might call on another kage ally if they could but a country to a village. so feel how those 10 puppets are powerful to take on the country taking puppets. Zabuza stands no chance.

We talking about Chunnin? Chunnin? Basic chunnin is not your Naruto they are probable on terms with a regular samurai. Some even on a level of a basic human warrior. So do not even put chunin "Naruto k12 bunch" in a terms of a real chunnin cause they suck. We even have jonnin who suck...

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Lol I hope you know he needs a big body of water to even do that. That is if Chiyo was even fighting him next to water and most places in Naruto is not next to water. He is not Kisame bro. So lets make it seem like he was so called close to water like your picture stated.

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She does the suction again with his water. Making it seem like a hose squirtinng out water on the other side. Zabuza still caught up and off guard because he need to make an hand signal for that attack. Other puppets 10-3 = 7 are free to attack him because his sword is on his back. Her strings go a pretty long distance to the sides,up, and down.

GG put your theories to rest. Its over

Zabuza could take a good amount of those puppets down with his huge large scale Suiton, Giant Vortex Jutsu. He could probably hold off the puppets with dozens of Water Clones too.

Saying Zabuza is "no match" for Chiyo further proves that you are underrating Zabuza.

Zabuza takes this high diff, Chiyo doesn't have a counter to the mist, thus can't avoid his unrivaled Silent Killing. Deal with it.

No she doesn't, unless you want to provide arguments to prove me wrong?[/QUOTE]


Everything you say is weak to someone with battle prone experience like Chiyo is not losing. She does not simply hang in mobs full with him/her talking boy/girl, two weak chunnin twins and a bunch of weak goblins seen hanging around Zabuza when he was sitting in a chair claiming he was boss material, but asking for money from human regular mobsters. No she got respect of a nation. Ask by a nation for a mission out of retirement. She served her time and even at an old age asked to fight. A person who killed a kage. To go after another who took a kage. Probable both kage sand village level both together. But the other Zabuza was asked to take out a bridge builder and which failed not once but twice.

Lastly dealing with mist ez. We counter it and you dislike the counter you called it charka mist... Mist is mist with charka in it or not.

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[ShaneEyyy]

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Utter rape! GG.....

I already countered this in the thread description....

zabuza's style is about assassination, a puppet user who fights far away with multiple puppets to defend herself is a terrible match up since zabuza is all about getting through defences with water clones. chiyo would go all out on a water clone or the real zabuza while the real zabuza or a water clone gets behind her during the hidden mist and kill instantly. and if chiyo does suck the mist with th epuppet and blow it behind it would just put it where zabuza wants it in his primary killing position with him to a person's back. one slice and chiyo is done for this blade don't cut twice.

Not that simple! She isnt dumb and she isnt weak at close combat (she may not be the best, but she isnt weak). She has her chakra sheilds to block any attack zabuza would ever use, and she has puppets to protect her blind spots aswell. With poisons and traps set in place, it will be harder for Zabuza more then chiyo.

Zabuza can sneak all he would like, traps set in place and ready to be used is more than enough to kill!

Chiyo is simply in another league from Zabuza, she wins low difficulty (mid at best)

What are these so called traps? I have never seen these traps before nor were they ever implied she has them. She, as with ALL other puppeteers have shown that their puppets have hidden mechanisms like shuriken, swords, poison,etc. She has nothing that can stop Zabuza. And if u say she does then you're giving her moves to give her the fight.

Her chakra shields have shown that once used, they can't be used again. But that doesn't even matter. She won't even have the time to activate her chakra shield. She can't sense Zabuza and even if she can, Zabuza's Water Clones can hold off the chakra shields while Zabuza strikes Chiyo.

I know Chiyo is overall stronger than Zabuza so it's hard to acknowledge the possibility she may actually lose to Zabuza, but just try to consider what I'm saying.

Shaneeyy no just no. Chiyo is here to rip Zabuza freshly bake killer buns and to roast them.



Does not matter if it is charka infused with mist it is still water based and it is getting sucked into the vacuum and spit out through the back maybe dispersing it, because it is a gas. Also she does not need to be Kakashi to see through a weak attack like that. She would take it head on. Just as she see fit like a boss. No marko polo in the mist for her. Kids play but she is a old woman who lived through wars. "Nobody got time for that"



Who says her attack cover short or mid range? How do you know if the mist is traveling way back. Mist is just water vapors in a gas form. The vapors is out of her range enough to see Zabuza coming at her. Like we all stated she is not slow for her age dodging needles and doing flips. You think Zabuza could beat her like that please read up on Chiyo. Even if she is not the best she still got some close combat skills as we all seen in her bring back and her close puppet is going to be there for her defense

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does Zabuza really want to get smashed into piece while he attacks after Chiyo puts up a defense like this

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Even if he dodges the block and the puppet. The other puppets will be back on the offense. She can still open and close her palms and tosses a ball at his @ss

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Now this is GG they finish him off.



I never said fought in a battle. Fighting can be rivalry too. New sports stars do it vs legends in their mind, track stars beat each other records when the other one is not around. She makes poison and Tsunade counters it, her child fought white fang many times and they lost their lives another rivalry. I never said on the battle field also yes Sasori could have killed them at the end... Besides that they lived to make it to the end something Zabuza would or could not have the skills to do. She even carried along a useless girl name Sakura. While Zabuza got beat with a useful guy who makes ice who later died. Please comprehend that my man. Sakura lived gain battle experience Haku is dead at early age.



No. Just no my friend. He lost Haku to make him figure that out ninjas are not tools. The gold word is Haku. If he did not lose him/her he would have still been Zabuza. He choose to have it what way? Look again he was dying he got hit a few times but Kakashi was the one who took him out most. He did not have Haku dressed up as a hunter nin to save him this time because Haku was wasted on the ground. Yes he fought with a Kunai in his mouth but so did Oro and Deindra and a few others. But he did not get through hundredths it look like less than 100. So hundredths is not happening bro.

Also how do you know Kakashi was going to let him free? Yea those thugs he maybe let walk away because they were nobodies. But because he put Zabuza next to Haku you assume that? Remember Kakashi was ex-anbu and he was a missing nin. Kakashi could have had easily cash him in. EZ


Please it was a few powerful people with him in the coupe that happen. He went against a village he came from bro. Why would he not know the in and outs? The puppets conquer castles they knew nothing about. The red valets puppets countries. Hidden village resides under countries which a daimyō rules. If they needed help they would call on a village. But if the village needs help the Kage does not have that power to call on a country. So when the Zabuza was staging that coup it was that village vs coup. They might call on another kage ally if they could but a country to a village. so feel how those 10 puppets are powerful to take on the country taking puppets. Zabuza stands no chance.

We talking about Chunnin? Chunnin? Basic chunnin is not your Naruto they are probable on terms with a regular samurai. Some even on a level of a basic human warrior. So do not even put chunin "Naruto k12 bunch" in a terms of a real chunnin cause they suck. We even have jonnin who suck...



Lol I hope you know he needs a big body of water to even do that. That is if Chiyo was even fighting him next to water and most places in Naruto is not next to water. He is not Kisame bro. So lets make it seem like he was so called close to water like your picture stated.

Chiyo waiting

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She does the suction again with his water. Making it seem like a hose squirtinng out water on the other side. Zabuza still caught up and off guard because he need to make an hand signal for that attack. Other puppets 10-3 = 7 are free to attack him because his sword is on his back. Her strings go a pretty long distance to the sides,up, and down.

GG put your theories to rest. Its over






No she doesn't, unless you want to provide arguments to prove me wrong?


Everything you say is weak to someone with battle prone experience like Chiyo is not losing. She does not simply hang in mobs full with him/her talking boy/girl, two weak chunnin twins and a bunch of weak goblins seen hanging around Zabuza when he was sitting in a chair claiming he was boss material, but asking for money from human regular mobsters. No she got respect of a nation. Ask by a nation for a mission out of retirement. She served her time and even at an old age asked to fight. A person who killed a kage. To go after another who took a kage. Probable both kage sand village level both together. But the other Zabuza was asked to take out a bridge builder and which failed not once but twice.

Lastly dealing with mist ez. We counter it and you dislike the counter you called it charka mist... Mist is mist with charka in it or not.

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I'm not wasting my time writing a wall of text with you because a lot of what you posted isn't even significant.

This is all I have to say, according to the data book, her tornado tech covers short to mid range, the tech won't suck in all the mist, and the mist it does suck in, will just be pushed behind her then since Zabuza will still be covered, he will have the time to wait for the mist to fill in again. Chiyo has a 2/5 for chakra according to the data books, which is even lower than Itachi's. She won't be able to keep using the tech constantly, or even a couple times.

If she tries to get her puppets to cover all ranges, Zabuza has already shown to get by actual living ninja who can actually see with no difficulty. It will be no problem for him to get by those puppets.

This what I'm about to say right here will counter your whole argument. It is way out of character for Chiyo to summon her 10 puppets in the beginning of the match. When she was up against Sasori who is even stronger than Zabuza, she waited til the very end to use them and even commented how she didn't want to use them. So these puppets are more than likely out of question

 

[NewKageism]

I already countered this in the thread description....


What are these so called traps? I have never seen these traps before nor were they ever implied she has them. She, as with ALL other puppeteers have shown that their puppets have hidden mechanisms like shuriken, swords, poison,etc. She has nothing that can stop Zabuza. And if u say she does then you're giving her moves to give her the fight.

Her chakra shields have shown that once used, they can't be used again. But that doesn't even matter. She won't even have the time to activate her chakra shield. She can't sense Zabuza and even if she can, Zabuza's Water Clones can hold off the chakra shields while Zabuza strikes Chiyo.

I know Chiyo is overall stronger than Zabuza so it's hard to acknowledge the possibility she may actually lose to Zabuza, but just try to consider what I'm saying.



I'm not wasting my time writing a wall of text with you because a lot of what you posted isn't even significant.

This is all I have to say, according to the data book, her tornado tech covers short to mid range, the tech won't suck in all the mist, and the mist it does suck in, will just be pushed behind her then since Zabuza will still be covered, he will have the time to wait for the mist to fill in again. Chiyo has a 2/5 for chakra according to the data books, which is even lower than Itachi's. She won't be able to keep using the tech constantly, or even a couple times.

If she tries to get her puppets to cover all ranges, Zabuza has already shown to get by actual living ninja who can actually see with no difficulty. It will be no problem for him to get by those puppets.

This what I'm about to say right here will counter your whole argument. It is way out of character for Chiyo to summon her 10 puppets in the beginning of the match. When she was up against Sasori who is even stronger than Zabuza, she waited til the very end to use them and even commented how she didn't want to use them. So these puppets are more than likely out of question

Let me ask you this. Why is it out of character? We only seen her fight twice. She knew her grandson had different puppets , so most likely she was waiting for his more powerful attacks to bring them out. Nothing is out of character and you really need to double check. Why you even thought so.

Please do not even use the data book. She lasted pretty long in the fight vs Sasori who is even more threat than Zabuza could ever be. If I am wrong prove but she lasted longer than him vs Kakashi.
So do not even start to try to use a databook; you do not know to use that book properly.

The one outlasting fighting for his life is Zabuuza he has a sword so what... most all the puppet chiyo has have weapons.
Hidden mist main force are known for the 7 swords men so what makes you think Chiyo never seen a 7 swords man in action.

Zubuza wasn't even the most talented one his sword does not even hold special abilities expect for healing itself after a break. No lighting nothing.

You still have not counter my post. You still write little scripts that already had been counter. You say strike her down when she knows close combat too.

It is not simple my friend you need proof. You yet to tell me how one man who killed many in kids exam is going to beat a lady with two war experience and 10 overly strong puppets.

Also vacume mist outside one day and tell me if it goes out the other side. Just tell me

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Let me ask you this. Why is it out of character? We only seen her fight twice. She knew her grandson had different puppets , so most likely she was waiting for his more powerful attacks to bring them out. Nothing is out of character and you really need to double check. Why you even thought so.

Please do not even use the data book. She lasted pretty long in the fight vs Sasori who is even more threat than Zabuza could ever be. If I am wrong prove but she lasted longer than him vs Kakashi.
So do not even start to try to use a databook; you do not know to use that book properly.

The one outlasting fighting for his life is Zabuuza he has a sword so what... most all the puppet chiyo has have weapons.
Hidden mist main force are known for the 7 swords men so what makes you think Chiyo never seen a 7 swords man in action.

Zubuza wasn't even the most talented one his sword does not even hold special abilities expect for healing itself after a break. No lighting nothing.

You still have not counter my post. You still write little scripts that already had been counter. You say strike her down when she knows close combat too.

It is not simple my friend you need proof. You yet to tell me how one man who killed many in kids exam is going to beat a lady with two war experience and 10 overly strong puppets.

Also vacume mist outside one day and tell me if it goes out the other side. Just tell me

This is probably my last post to you because you are honestly a retard.

It's out of character because she even stated she wished it hadn't come down to her having to use those puppets. And for your dumbass post of u saying she was waiting until Sasori used stronger puppets, when Sasori summoned his Kazekage puppet, which he even said was the strongest and his favorite puppet he has she STILL didn't pull out her 10 puppets. Which makes it clear that she doesn't use them until the very end.

No I will use the data book because it's 100% fact. Anyone who denies it is an idiot. The data book says the Three Jewels Suction Crushing tech is a short-mid range tech. I didn't use the data book wrong, that's a fact and you can't deny it. It can't suck up all the mist and when it trys to, as said in the description, the puppets are pron to be attacked, so Zabuza can take them out with a Suiton, Again, this is even if she summons the puppets right off the back, which she won't.

I love how you brought up his feat of killing kids in an exam and left out how he was a Legendary Swordsmen, an Anbu, broke through the Hidden Mist Village's offenses and defenses, made it to their Mizukage who was actually Obito, fought him and STILL survived. Stop underrating him


Why should I bother countering your pathetic posts when you just told me next time it's foggy, to go outside and try to vacuum the fog up and see if it comes out my vacuum. lol you're so dumb it's funny. Hey it says in the data book and was shown it blows the things it sucks in out from behind so the mist will appear again.

You even say Darui can beat Zabuza, it's clear you don't acknowledge Zabuza's abilities and think Part 2 characters can't lose to him. gtfoh

 

[NewKageism]

This is probably my last post to you because you are honestly a retard.

It's out of character because she even stated she wished it hadn't come down to her having to use those puppets. And for your dumbass post of u saying she was waiting until Sasori used stronger puppets, when Sasori summoned his Kazekage puppet, which he even said was the strongest and his favorite puppet he has she STILL didn't pull out her 10 puppets. Which makes it clear that she doesn't use them until the very end.

No I will use the data book because it's 100% fact. Anyone who denies it is an idiot. The data book says the Three Jewels Suction Crushing tech is a short-mid range tech. I didn't use the data book wrong, that's a fact and you can't deny it. It can't suck up all the mist and when it trys to, as said in the description, the puppets are pron to be attacked, so Zabuza can take them out with a Suiton, Again, this is even if she summons the puppets right off the back, which she won't.

I love how you brought up his feat of killing kids in an exam and left out how he was a Legendary Swordsmen, an Anbu, broke through the Hidden Mist Village's offenses and defenses, made it to their Mizukage who was actually Obito, fought him and STILL survived. Stop underrating him


Why should I bother countering your pathetic posts when you just told me next time it's foggy, to go outside and try to vacuum the fog up and see if it comes out my vacuum. lol you're so dumb it's funny. Hey it says in the data book and was shown it blows the things it sucks in out from behind so the mist will appear again.

You even say Darui can beat Zabuza, it's clear you don't acknowledge Zabuza's abilities and think Part 2 characters can't lose to him. gtfoh

IDIOT ALERT!

I gave you a chance to back away saying reread the manga and we watch the anime but you still kept on going.
The puppets she use the 10 is her main puppets that were past down. The mother and father puppets were Sasori puppets. Before she left her brother ask her if she was taking those too. Those are not her main puppets my main. You need to watch again because most of the time she was dodging and using Sakura.

Please your sounding like a noob that never really watch or read the manga. Probable just keep rereading Zabuza series over and over nothing new. Do you even know who Chiyo is? You know we have a villain called Obito right? Lay part 1 down take a breather.


So my main you did know Sasori had other puppets to attack them and the numbers were going down. It got stuck
pulling in solid object which mist is not. Zabuza is only one man. You can say water clones all you like but we only seen him make up to two a solid number for a regular ninja. He is not pulling in Naruto clone numbers like it or not.

So lets do the math 2 clones out and about vs 7 and your saying they prone to attack lmao. They are not getting stuck on mist.

Now look at the series post right here and show me why she is not using the 10 off the front where the mother and father was made just for Sasori. Look at manga where her brother says again you taking those two?

Gosh man you have no logic. I am going to crush you. Walk away
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Now look at 1:31:05 how powerful that suction is and why it got jammed at

 

[NewKageism]

Now let me post some manga facts too to smash this. Those pupets I was talking about here

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As well I might as well kill this even more.
She did fist to fist and close combat we seen a few times one by punch Naruto clipped and another fighting as edo. Also she is flexible

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[ShaneEyyy]

Now let me post some manga facts too to smash this. Those pupets I was talking about here

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As well I might as well kill this even more.
She did fist to fist and close combat we seen a few times one by punch Naruto clipped and another fighting as edo. Also she is flexible

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Hahahaha you aren't even countering anything.

You keep talking bullshit. You're telling me to reread the manga, how about YOU reread the manga because Zabuza has shown to make a dozen clones. you said Zabuza could only make two. Another flaw

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and because they aren't Shadow Clones he doesn't have to divide his chakra evenly among them so if he wanted too, he can make dozens more because he definitely has the chakra for it.


Look, Chiyo's puppets can't protect her in the mist. It doesn't matter if Zabuza got around team 7's Manji defense, Sasuke, Naruto, and even Sakura have better senses than a puppet. If you could just guard Zabuza by just covering all sides, then Kakashi would have made a couple Shadow Clones to guard himself and tell Naruto to make Shadow Clones to guard the bridge builder.

Your arguments are weak and you are just one of those guys who underrates Zabuza. This is my last post to you.

 

[NewKageism]

Hahahaha you aren't even countering anything.

You keep talking bullshit. You're telling me to reread the manga, how about YOU reread the manga because Zabuza has shown to make a dozen clones. you said Zabuza could only make two. Another flaw

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and because they aren't Shadow Clones he doesn't have to divide his chakra evenly among them so if he wanted too, he can make dozens more because he definitely has the chakra for it.


Look, Chiyo's puppets can't protect her in the mist. It doesn't matter if Zabuza got around team 7's Manji defense, Sasuke, Naruto, and even Sakura have better senses than a puppet. If you could just guard Zabuza by just covering all sides, then Kakashi would have made a couple Shadow Clones to guard himself and tell Naruto to make Shadow Clones to guard the bridge builder.

Your arguments are weak and you are just one of those guys who underrates Zabuza. This is my last post to you.

A dozen = 12. Those are four. When I said shadow I mean't water clones. All clones not matter water, shadow, wood etc... are all weaker. Lastly if he did take one out she could use that tangline finger line to connect to Zabuzua sensing him and his charka. Zabuza would not even know.

I maybe did not see this last post of your this day because probable I was busy.