Chiyo vs. Kakashi

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Location: Sasori vs Chiyo

Intel: Manga. Both attempt to try and defeat each other.

Condition/Restrictions:

-Chiyo can pull out any puppet at will (meaning she can mix it up with Mother, Father, and or one of the Chikamatsu Collection of Ten Puppets.) All of Chiyo offensive arsenals are coated with her poison, she made in the 2nd Shinobi War.

-Kakashi can use only use 2 Kamui (Both offensively and defensively.) He is NOT allow to use it on Chiyo.


(P.S. CAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE DONT LIKE READING, READ THE CONDITIONS CAREFULLY.)
 

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Kakashi can win because of sharingan pre-cog.
 

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Kakashi can win because of sharingan pre-cog.

I'm pretty sure it will take more then his pre cog abilities to win.

Anyway I think Chiyo takes this.

I am just waiting for someone to make a clean argument on Kakashi's case here.
 

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Sorry but Kakashi take this mid dificulty and no need kamui.
 
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Those conditions..

Either way I still give it to kakashi due his speed and the fact that his sharigan can see the chakra strings quite easily and eventually he can cut the strings off his a raiton enhanced kunai similar to what the cloud ninja(Omoi) did to cut sasori's chakra strings to set those ninja free that were being controlled by sasori during the war[ ]. Kakashi his high intellect and battle experience will eventually be able to read the movements of her puppets just like sakura did with sasori's puppets[ ].

Kamui isn't even needed, 3t kakashi is enough.

3t kakashi take it low-med diff.

kamui kakashi (with the 2 kamui you granted) takes this neg-low diff.

lady chiyo stays stationary when controlling her puppets, with the use of lightning clones form kakashi which can possibly destroy her puppets or disrupt the chakra thread attached to them. Chiyo will be left vulnerable to dog summons just like zabuza was[ ]. The dogs restrict her movements and leave her wide open for a raikiri or better yet a kamui(not that it's needed) just for the lelz.

I'm surprise you would even compare that fodder to kakashi. Make im blindfolded and then chiyo might have a chance.
 

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Those conditions..

Either way I still give it to kakashi due his speed and the fact that his sharigan can see the chakra strings quite easily and eventually he can cut the strings off his a raiton enhanced kunai similar to what the cloud ninja(Omoi) did to cut sasori's chakra strings to set those ninja free that were being controlled by sasori during the war[ ]. Kakashi his high intellect and battle experience will eventually be able to read the movements of her puppets just like sakura did with sasori's puppets[ ].

Kamui isn't even needed, 3t kakashi is enough.

3t kakashi take it low-med diff.

kamui kakashi (with the 2 kamui you granted) takes this neg-low diff.


lady chiyo stays stationary when controlling her puppets, with the use of lightning clones form kakashi which can possibly destroy her puppets or disrupt the chakra thread attached to them. Chiyo will be left vulnerable to dog summons just like zabuza was[ ]. The dogs restrict her movements and leave her wide open for a raikiri or better yet a kamui(not that it's needed) just for the lelz.

I'm surprise you would even compare that fodder to kakashi. Make im blindfolded and then chiyo might have a chance.

Annnd you didn't read the conditions carefully (I bolded on what I was talking about. KAkashi can't Kamui Chiyo).. But overall good case.. Imma wait for other arguments made here so I can continue to gather info to form a rebuttal. Ill do it after I come back from work Zzz

Sorry but Kakashi take this mid dificulty and no need kamui.

Present your case.
 

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Annnd you didn't read the conditions carefully (I bolded on what I was talking about. KAkashi can't Kamui Chiyo).. But overall good case.. Imma wait for other arguments made here so I can continue to gather info to form a rebuttal. Ill do it after I come back from work

Who said I didnt read them carefully? For your info I was referring to kakashi warping her puppets, not chiyo herself which you restricted because you know kakashi would rape hard.:cool:
 

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I'm pretty sure it will take more then his pre cog abilities to win.

Anyway I think Chiyo takes this.

I am just waiting for someone to make a clean argument on Kakashi's case here.

I never said it was only because of precog. It's just going to be a driving factor in his success.

Basics
-Kakashi is fast enough to evade chiyo's moves
-he's skilled enough in shuriken use to deflect any deflectable projectile attacks
-Kakashi's kenjutsu skills are proficient enough to parry chiyo's attacks with a kunai

Jutsu
-Raikiri ends chiyo
-Shadow clone effectively clone feints
-Hidden like a mole technique helps dodge chiyo while Head hunter helps restrain her

Sharingan
-Chakra seeing potential helps him see how her strings move to understand what she's up to
-Precog helps him evade
-Kamui helps dodge any two close calls

This is why kakashi wins in point form. He'd simply outclass her at every turn. Chiyo's traps would be evaded by Shadow clone feints; Hiding like a mole; Sharingan precog + shushin.
 

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I never said it was only because of precog. It's just going to be a driving factor in his success.

Basics
-Kakashi is fast enough to evade chiyo's moves
-he's skilled enough in shuriken use to deflect any deflectable projectile attacks
-Kakashi's kenjutsu skills are proficient enough to parry chiyo's attacks with a kunai

Jutsu
-Raikiri ends chiyo
-Shadow clone effectively clone feints
-Hidden like a mole technique helps dodge chiyo while Head hunter helps restrain her

Sharingan
-Chakra seeing potential helps him see how her strings move to understand what she's up to
-Precog helps him evade
-Kamui helps dodge any two close calls

This is why kakashi wins in point form. He'd simply outclass her at every turn. Chiyo's traps would be evaded by Shadow clone feints; Hiding like a mole; Sharingan precog + shushin.

Basically this... i dont understand how this is even debatable even with the conditions.
 

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Without being able to Kamui Chiyo, I see her winning with mid/high diff.
 

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Is this chiyo prime? If she's old, her body won't be able to keep up with Kakashi's speed.
 

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Basics
-Kakashi is fast enough to evade chiyo's moves
-he's skilled enough in shuriken use to deflect any deflectable projectile attacks
-Kakashi's kenjutsu skills are proficient enough to parry chiyo's attacks with a kunai

-True. But its all about strategy and being unpredictable, which puppet masters are well known of doing
-True.
-That can be a strategy Chiyo would want him to do, and take advantage of, which leads closer to her victory[ ]

Jutsu
-Raikiri ends chiyo
-Shadow clone effectively clone feints
-Hidden like a mole technique helps dodge chiyo while Head hunter helps restrain her

-It can.. But She has a lot of defensive strategy..
-AoE jutsu, Suction tech, to wipe them up or any Lightening Release, due to wind being natural electrical insulator.
-Medical Ninjas art of evasion, and a puppeteer's taste of avoiding booby traps.
Sharingan
-Chakra seeing potential helps him see how her strings move to understand what she's up to
-Precog helps him evade
-Kamui helps dodge any two close calls

-Somewhat True
-Somewhat True
-True, which is why I didn't restrict it, but limited it.

This is why kakashi wins in point form. He'd simply outclass her at every turn. Chiyo's traps would be evaded by Shadow clone feints; Hiding like a mole; Sharingan precog + shushin.

I left room to make a good argument of Kakashi taking this. But I also took advantage of this thread, by hopefully showing how powerful Chiyo can be, or her taking this as well. And now...

Either way I still give it to kakashi due his speed and the fact that his sharigan can see the chakra strings quite easily and eventually he can cut the strings off his a raiton enhanced kunai similar to what the cloud ninja(Omoi) did to cut sasori's chakra strings to set those ninja free that were being controlled by sasori during the war[ ].

Yea, that is every puppeteer expectations of happening. Puppeteers comes prepared for situations that you have mention. Unfortunately, Chiyo skills showed to muti task with these strings, meaning, anything Kakashi is going to cut, the other puppet can fend off, which Chiyo can instandtly reeactch the strings that were cut. Its simple task for a Puppeteer user[ ]

Kakashi his high intellect and battle experience will eventually be able to read the movements of her puppets just like sakura did with sasori's puppets[ ].

Thats nice. Chiyo has high intellect and more battle experience, she can use as an advantage too, to counter her weakness and use it against Kakashi.

Kamui isn't even needed, 3t kakashi is enough.

3t kakashi take it low-med diff.

kamui kakashi (with the 2 kamui you granted) takes this neg-low diff.

Lelz, until your done warming up, Ill get serious on Chiyo's full capacity..

lady chiyo stays stationary when controlling her puppets, with the use of lightning clones form kakashi which can possibly destroy her puppets or disrupt the chakra thread attached to them.

Chiyo is a medical ninja. Their skill set helped her over come the Puppeteers weakness, through the art of evasion. She will not be a stationary fight. The only time you see her like that in the manga, was when focusing on all 10 puppets to fight, due to the overwhelming 100 puppets attacking her from every angle. Kakashi doesn't have overwhelming jutsu that she has to deal with. Second, the condition of the match up benefits her so she doesn't necessary have to use all 10 puppets, to lose concentration.



Chiyo will be left vulnerable to dog summons just like zabuza was[ ]. The dogs restrict her movements and leave her wide open for a raikiri or better yet a kamui(not that it's needed) just for the lelz.

Your took focus of her being a stationary fighter, to make it seem like its a simple task.

I'm surprise you would even compare that fodder to kakashi. Make im blindfolded and then chiyo might have a chance.

You haven't got me turnt up yet. Your not ready..
 

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Kakashi takes this.

The hypnotic ability coupled with the other aspects of the Sharingan can make the user appear as if they can "see the future". First, the user must perfectly mimic every move their opponent makes and possibly their thoughts and words through careful observation. Then, they suggest an action to the opponent such as hand seals for a technique that the opponent and Sharingan user already know and copy that. With these things done, the user can complete the action even before the opponent does, possibly using the Sharingan's genjutsu to confuse or delay them.

  • Kakashi can intercept the attacks, destroying them all puppets with Raikiri.

  • He can place Chiyo in Genjutsu.

As with other genjutsu, genjutsu cast by the Sharingan are capable of putting an opponent to sleep, inducing paralysis, replaying memories to someone else via genjutsu, or creating various illusions to deceive someone or torture the person. The potency of the Sharingan's illusion is dependent on the user's knowledge and skill with implementing genjutsu.



Kakashi summons his ninken mostly for tracking purposes. He can summon them separately, as he commonly does so with Pakkun, or all together. He can also summon them for special purposes, like he does with his Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique. With this technique, the dogs can travel through the ground following the scent of their target, emerging when the target is found and holding them in place. They all have a face-shaped design on their backs called Henohenomoheji (ใธใฎใธใฎใ‚‚ใธใ˜) โ€” which is the sound made when all the characters in the face are put together. Appropriately enough, children use this design as the face for their scarecrows, which is "kakashi" in Japanese.

  • He can track her, and surprise her.




Kakashi later demonstrated the ability to imbue a projectile weapon, such as a kunai, with his Lightning Cutter, granting the technique long-range capabilities. In this instance, the kunai was capable of piercing through multiple large rocks with ease, without any loss of momentum or change in trajectory.

  • Kakashi can gun her with Raiton Kunai's.


 

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Who said I didnt read them carefully? For your info I was referring to kakashi warping her puppets, not chiyo herself which you restricted because you know kakashi would rape hard.:cool:

I thought you were macho for a second... like when did he learn how to debate?
 

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I'd say Chiyo takes this.
 

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Raiden cuts through all her puppets at once lol
 
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