Chidori vs Hyuga clans Rotation

[Jokule67]

Thank you for your response. Yes, I believe that, with the technique already in motion, it is impossible to penetrate with a technique like chidori. It is a technique used to make the users hand, and only the users hand, into a powerful weapon. Even giving the user the benefit of the doubt and saying that the chakra enhanced hand gets through the kaiten, the rest of the body on the outside 1)does not, 2)goes spinning away, and 3) as a result of being blasted away, the chakra enhanced hand is released. We must remember that the chakra in the kaiten is not just projected and spun, but rather it has to be constantly released to ensure the constant spin.

The best method to deal with "the strongest defense" is to attack the user before said defense is in place. If juubi enhanced mokuton lances are not penetrating kaiten, nothing is (note I am focusing on directly penetrating the defense as opposed to outright blowing it up.)

I believe that the members that believe chidori overcomes kaiten are in fact attributing the qualities of it DERIVATIVES to the parent technique itself. I repeat, chidori nagashi and chidori eisou are NOT the same techniques as 'chidori,' in the same manner that the kageshibari and kage kubishibari are NOT the same technique.

Lastly, I do not believe that Sasuke in The Last used chidori to destroy the meteor (seeing as he was not showing launching out of the other side of it,) but rather his chidori nagashi to destroy it (note the electricity spread across the meteor fragment before its destruction.)

What do you think?

I think you're right about basically everything.Had to be Chidori Nagashi or Chidori Stream and Rotation is made to throw the force of the opponents attack against them. Its not just some sitting sphere.

 

[Pyro NB]

Regular chidori no... its variants yes.

 

[YellowFang]

Rotation...

 

[LEAU92]

Could a chidori pierce the rotation if not how strong would it have to be?

Not only will it pierce it. It would shock the S**T out of the user too.

 

[Aznkidd]

Regular Chidori can not pierce through regular Rotation
Sage powered Chidori can not pierce through Sage powered Rotation

Next!

 

[Yang release]

Sasuke just needs chidori stream and he would electricute those spinning cursed wannabe otsutsuki hyugas

 

[King Of Pop]

no rotation is stopping the last sasukes chidori. his chidori breaches rotation and wrecks the user

 

[Yang release]

The last sasuke chidori can blow up the moon if he used PS chidori

 

[Yang release]

Sharp wooden sticks>>>> rotation

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

But a gimped KN0 Naruto's punch busted through it.

Gimped?

Exactly. It was a forceful, almost explosive force. It's like driving a druck into a merry go round and throwing a spear at it.

 

[super yang]

But a gimped KN0 Naruto's punch busted through it.

No, his kno chakra cloak counter-balanced the force of nejis kaiten, which is also a cloak of sorts, especially since neji hadn't completed his spin. the result was an equilibrium & explosion.
check the artwork again, i'm tired of this now ancient misconception.

Also, nothing about Kuramas chakra is ''gimpy'' at all, spin-doctor...

and people saying that an extended chidori eiso/tsurugi/sharp spear as well as a nagashi/current/stream can get thru kaiten are off base too.
Not only are they weaker, less concentrated spin-offs of the original jutsu, that make them easier to dissipate by the revolving barrier, they also lack the momentum of the users body smacking/pressuring it(not that it would change much).

 

[shelke]

Chidori, whether it is part I or part II. Reason? It's simple; it is a technique that "pierces chakra and solid matter," even its own elemental nature, as shown through Sasuke versus Raikage. Sasuke and Third Raikage can up it potency by focusing it on fewer fingers. That is something only these two can do. That means, when concentrated at two fingers (Kakashi is incapable of this) and one finger (only 3rd Raikage is capable of it), Chidori becomes the sharpest point, which can tear through anything.

Kisame further stated that a concentrated chidori has far greater cutting potential than futon. Bee did that with a pencil and his Raiton usage is borderline abysmal before Sasuke's or third Raikage's.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Chidori, whether it is part I or part II. Reason? It's simple; it is a technique that "pierces chakra and solid matter," even its own elemental nature, as shown through Sasuke versus Raikage. Sasuke and Third Raikage can up it potency by focusing it on fewer fingers. That is something only these two can do. That means, when concentrated at two fingers (Kakashi is incapable of this) and one finger (only 3rd Raikage is capable of it), Chidori becomes the sharpest point, which can tear through anything.

Kisame further stated that a concentrated chidori has far greater cutting potential than futon. Bee did that with a pencil and his Raiton usage is borderline abysmal before Sasuke's or third Raikage's.

Everything about your post is misleading Hyuga chakra literally breaks any other chakra down and literally send it back at double the Force

 

[Yasopp]

I do not believe that chidori can pierce kaiten. This is based on the properties of both techniques and how they work against chidori managing to breach kaiten.

Let us first consider the properties of chidori. It is a technique which relies on linear, extremely high-speed approach to pierce targets at zero-range. A secondary effect of the technique is local paralysis where the target is struck, but considering the fact that if the attacks lands the target would be dead anyway, this is usually not mentioned.

The kaiten, on the other hand, is a technique which CONSTANTLY projects a very high-speed, rotating dome of chakra from the users body. This is all it does, but its strength also lies in its simplicity.

If the chidori were to be used against an already active kaiten, the chidori would fail to even reach the target because 1) despite the chidori users hand being encased in chakra, it is still just a hand underneath, and would therefore be deflected in the direction of the spin, throwing throwing the user away. Also 2) even IF the user managed to get their chidori encased hand within the chakra dome, as stated above, the dome is projected at least an entire body's width from the user, so they would not be reached. Seeing as the attack needs to connect for the electricity to paralyze the foe, the chidori is completely useless against the kaiten.

This is a strict comparison of chidori vs kaiten, and does NOT take into consideration the techniques derived from chidori (nagashi, eisou) because they are different techniques, and this is also not a comparison between Sasuke and Neji/Hiashi.

What do you think?

Beautiful.

 

[neosmith500]

Chidori, whether it is part I or part II. Reason? It's simple; it is a technique that "pierces chakra and solid matter," even its own elemental nature, as shown through Sasuke versus Raikage.

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Nope .
1-kaiten was stated and shown to have the ability to knock away chakra itself. Meaning chidori gets destabilized the moment it makes contact , like here , look carefully between neji and naruto an ull see the chakra knock-away affect of kaiten

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Then if u take a look at the previous page , bottom left , ull see that naruto's cloak expanded tremendously due to his emotions and that cloak itself was used to counter-balance kaiten.

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Chidori can't do this and that small chakra in the palm is easily knocked away along with sasuke.


2- The spinning force of kaiten would slap sasukes palm away in the direction of the spin the moment he touches it since unlike naruto who counter-balanced it usin his chakra cloak , sasuke has to literally thrust his palm into the force of the spin.

Kaiten wins neg diff.

Imperfect kaiten also wins neg diff.

 

[shelke]

Nope .
1-kaiten was stated and shown to have the ability to knock away chakra itself. Meaning chidori gets destabilized the moment it makes contact , like here , look carefully between neji and naruto an ull see the chakra knock-away affect of kaiten

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Then if u take a look at the previous page , bottom left , ull see that naruto's cloak expanded tremendously due to his emotions and that cloak itself was used to counter-balance kaiten.

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Chidori can't do this and that small chakra in the palm is easily knocked away along with sasuke.


2- The spinning force of kaiten would slap sasukes palm away in the direction of the spin the moment he touches it since unlike naruto who counter-balanced it usin his chakra cloak , sasuke has to literally thrust his palm into the force of the spin.

Kaiten wins neg diff.

Imperfect kaiten also wins neg diff.

I know how Kaiten works. It's simply an expulsion of chakra from all chakra points and the user makes it spin - a better explanation than what you offered. Hence, it doesn't negate anything I said.

Chakra itself? So, what is Chidori if not chakra? Not sure what kind of weight this statement carries, but no body denied that Chidori isn't chakra.

 

[neosmith500]

I know how Kaiten works. It's simply an expulsion of chakra from all chakrats and the user makes it spin - a better explanation than what you offered. Hence, it doesn't negate anything I said.

Chakra itself? So, what is Chidori if not chakra? Not sure what kind of weight this statement carries, but no body denied that Chidori isn't chakra.

Kaiten is also a technique that knocks away the opponents chakra , fact.

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-Chidori = concentrated chakra in the palm.

-Chidori either gets destabilized by kaiten , or dispersed by it like naruto's cloak , either way it won't be good for chidori.

-Chidori cannot counterbalance kaiten's spin like naruto and so sasuke will get his arm/chidori knocked to the side by the repelling force and since he'll be the attacking force in the clash , he'll suffer even more damage.

Chidori gets negated just like ur points.

 

[shelke]

Kaiten is also a technique that knocks away the opponents chakra , fact.

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-Chidori = concentrated chakra in the palm.

-Chidori either gets destabilized by kaiten , or dispersed by it like naruto's cloak , either way it won't be good for chidori.

-Chidori cannot counterbalance kaiten's spin like naruto and so sasuke will get his arm/chidori knocked to the side by the repelling force and since he'll be the attacking force in the clash , he'll suffer even more damage.

Chidori gets negated just like ur points.

Naruto's cloak isn't a tech that is made for piercing. Heck, it isn't even a tech. What kind of bizarre comparison is this? Was Kaiten fighting against a cutting tech? No? Then what the heck are you talking about? V1 and V2 is simply a leak of chakra that is shown to be cut from its source as well ... by Chidori. You are comparing apples and oranges and hoping to find some kind of logic in this. Chidori is designed to penetrate even Raiton.

Why and based on what?

Yeah, I am not really moved here.

 

[neosmith500]

Naruto's cloak isn't a tech that is made for piercing. Heck, it isn't even a tech. What kind of bizarre comparison is this? Was Kaiten fighting against a cutting tech? No? Then what the heck are you talking about? V1 and V2 is simply a leak of chakra that is shown to be cut from its source as well ... by Chidori. You are comparing apples and oranges and hoping to find some kind of logic in this. Chidori is designed to penetrate even Raiton.

Why and based on what?

Yeah, I am not really moved here.

No but sasukes tech is a piercing tech made of chakra = it getting knocked away all the same.


The chakra/chidori , gets knocked away by kaiten same as the cloak , it being a piercing tech is irrelevant.

Sasukes arm itself gets blown away in the direction of the spin along with his chakra/chidori.

-Chakra/chidori gets knocked away and u have a palm thrust incomparable to the likes of kidomaro's arrows or juubi'es stakes , both which would get negged by kaiten despite piercing qualities.

Now obviously I'm not saying kaiten can deflect all chakra but base chidori is hardly strong enough to pressure the statement made by the author , "kaiten knocks away the opponents/sasukes , chakra/chidori "

Simple logic u seem to cannot grasp , while u have ntn beyond chidori is a piercing tech that pierces chakra , chidori piercing raiton is irrelevant since raiton has no qualities which enables it to defend against chakra like kaiten does.

U cannot even comprehend why naruto's cloak was instrumental in stalemating neji's imperfect kaiten , even if sasuke was successful in breaching even imperfect kaiten , then it would only result in a similar explosion with sasuke taking critical damage due to no defense.

-While he gets tossed aside by neg diff by a perfect kaiten.

 

[shelke]

No but sasukes tech is a piercing tech made of chakra = it getting knocked away all the same.

The chakra/chidori , gets knocked away by kaiten same as the cloak , it being a piercing tech is irrelevant.

Sasukes arm itself gets blown away in the direction of the spin along with his chakra/chidori.

-Chakra/chidori gets knocked away and u have a palm thrust incomparable to the likes of kidomaro's arrows or juubi'es stakes , both which would get negged by kaiten despite piercing qualities.

Now obviously I'm not saying kaiten can deflect all chakra but base chidori is hardly strong enough to pressure the statement made by the author , "kaiten knocks away the opponents/sasukes , chakra/chidori "

Simple logic u seem to cannot grasp , while u have ntn beyond chidori is a piercing tech that pierces chakra.

U cannot even comprehend why naruto's cloak was instrumental in stalemating neji's imperfect kaiten , even if sasuke was successful in breaching even imperfect kaiten , then it would only result in a similar explosion with sasuke taking critical damage due to no defense.

-While he gets tossed aside by neg diff by a perfect kaiten.

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way and I'm not interested in comprehension lessons from anyone. A cloak (that isn't even a tech) and a ninjutsu put against Kaiten is not even the same thing. The rest of your post is the the same thing I have already replid to.

Jubi's parts are organic. It isn't chakra (it is a product of Yin and Yang). Jubi has an organic structure and its parts or minions were cut by every Tom, **** and Harry. You are still comparing apples and oranges, when Jubi was cut by every one. Kaiten knocking away Jubi's organic part is like saying it can knock away other solid objects. It is not a valid argument.

Show me a scan where it was put against something designed to cut chakra constructs and solid matter as well. Then you will have an argument.