Chidori can never beat Rasengan [ which is why Sasuke fails at the end ]

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Chidori > rasengan

Minato > Itachi

okay

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[Ansatsuken]

It's your opinion bro, & i agree with the bold.



scans not working

When people said scans not working it felt like an insult

Okey read chapter 698.

Its hard to put a pic when using smartphone

 

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When people said scans not working it felt like an insult

Okey read chapter 698.

Its hard to put a pic when using smartphone

I read the chapter though, Naruto's still on his feat :|

If you're mentioning the poison thing.. it wasn't a knockout. Naruto saved Sakura's life, although i don't get how that makes him a Paralympic worth individual/candidate lol

 

[Ansatsuken]

I read the chapter though, Naruto's still on his feat :|

You have admitted that your thread title is misleading but you also misunderstood my point here. I'm not making a point on Sasuke but on Rasengan and Chidori clash that you corrected me by saying it's Rasenshurikan.

And now I bring to you a picture of Rasengan clashing with Chidori that can cause a explosion. Your argument with me here is not about Sasuke can penetrate Rasengan but can this clash causing an explosion? The subject I started and you tried to disproved it.

Save our discussion on whether Sasuke can penetrate Rasengan or not? After this arguments iz completely resolve. Rasengan still a rasengan.

 

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You have admitted that your thread title is misleading but you also misunderstood my point here. I'm not making a point on Sasuke but on Rasengan and Chidori clash that you corrected me by saying it's Rasenshurikan.

And now I bring to you a picture of Rasengan clashing with Chidori that can cause a explosion. Your argument with me here is not about Sasuke can penetrate Rasengan but can this clash causing an explosion? The subject I started and you tried to disproved it.

I fail to understand your point here, it does start an explosion, hence me posting a scan of Sasuke getting blown away at a rapid speed.

Save our discussion on whether Sasuke can penetrate Rasengan or not? After this arguments iz completely resolve. Rasengan still a rasengan.

Alright man, though when did i object that it wasn't @bold, the discussion that i made was that a standard Rasengan was able to overthrow Chidori, and why didn't Rasenshuriken [ which is a completed jutsu ] wasn't standardized.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I fail to understand your point here, it does start an explosion, hence me posting a scan of Sasuke getting blown away at a rapid speed.



Alright man, though when did i object that it wasn't @bold, the discussion that i made was that a standard Rasengan was able to overthrow Chidori, and why didn't Rasenshuriken [ which is a completed jutsu ] isn't standardized.

Okey I apologize I getting mixed up trying to understand my situation here

I thought you disagree with me, lol

Standard Rasenshurikan is the standardized version of that specific jutsu.

Standard Rasengan as what we know explained very well in wiki xd. All type of Rasengan cant be thrown out of user palm. It held firm on user palm and it needs the user to move forward with Rasengan on their hand guiding it toward target. It cant moves independently.

Standard Rasenshurikan as what we know explained very well by wiki. All type of Rasenshurikan can be thrown out of user hand. It can travel independently without user to guide it.

So if Naruto want a range attack he will opt for Rasenshuriken. Mean each jutsu have its own advantages.

 

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Okey I apologize I getting mixed up trying to understand my situation here

I thought you disagree with me, lol

Aye, no worries man. I agreed with you because your post was similar to mine:

Rasengan will grind the target/object and propel it in rotating motion. Another way of saying this is that no matter how much of a power jutsu you throw at it, the rasengans work is to grind it and throw it back, causing a circular explosion. Same goes for the tailed beast bomb. A perfect example would be the father-son rasengan in boruto;

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Standard Rasenshurikan is the standardized version of that specific jutsu.

Standard Rasengan as what we know explained very well in wiki xd. All type of Rasengan cant be throw out of user palm.

I understand that man, but in Naruto's case, he did incorporate wind element into his rasengan:

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Standard Rasenshurikan as what we know explained very well by wiki. All type of Rasenshurikan can be throw out of user hand.

So if Naruto want a range attack he will opt for Rasenshuriken. Mean each jutsu have its own advantages.

Maybe the Rasenshuriken isn't suitable for close combat but i'm sure as hell that the wind element rasengan is. It would advance an already impressive technique even further, nearing the damage level of the rasenshuriken. I just don't understand why'd Naruto go so far and just stick to a normal rasengan.

 

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Aye, no worries man. I agreed with you because your post was similar to mine:

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I understand that man, but in Naruto's case, he did incorporate wind element into his rasengan:

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Maybe the Rasenshuriken isn't suitable for close combat but i'm sure as hell that the wind element rasengan is. It would advance an already impressive technique even further, nearing the damage level of the rasenshuriken. I just don't understand why'd Naruto go so far and just stick to a normal rasengan.

If you want to counter Indra Arrow, its better for you to opt for Rasenshuriken and not Rasengan. Seeing that the explosion is capable to badly damage you even though you're far from the center of explosion.

Imagine if you directly counter Indra Arrow using a Super power Rasengan where you're clearly will be at the center of explosion and not far from it. You're screwed beyond recognition.

Clashed of Chidori Ama and Rasengan destroy Naruto arm, think what would happen to Naruto if he getting himself caught in the middle of Indra Arrow and Super Rasengan explosion?

 

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If you want to counter Indra Arrow, its better for you to opt for Rasenshuriken and not Rasengan. Seeing that the explosion is capable to badly damage you even though you're far from the center of explosion.

Imagine if you directly counter Indra Arrow using a Super power Rasengan where you're clearly will be at the center of explosion and not far from it. You're screwed beyond recognition.

Clashed of Chidori Ama and Rasengan destroy Naruto arm, think what would happen to Naruto if he getting himself caught in the middle of Indra Arrow and Super Rasengan explosion?[/

xd I know that. I mean during every final clash, both of them end it with standard rasengan and a chidori, but in Naruto's case, his Rasengan doesn't even have any elemental chakra while sasuke's chidori by standard has lightning in it- added to this Amaterasu during the final fight. Wouldn't it be logical for Naruto to incorporate wind element since he's gone through all that trouble of mastering elemental chakra in the first place.

I mean, what's the point of mastering it if you're only going to utilize it once and discard it forever. Makes sense right.

 

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xd I know that. I mean during every final clash, both of them end it with standard rasengan and a chidori, but in Naruto's case, his Rasengan doesn't even have any elemental chakra while sasuke's chidori by standard has lightning in it- added to this Amaterasu during the final fight. Wouldn't it be logical for him to incorporate that since he's gone through all that trouble of mastering elemental chakra in the first place.

I mean, what's the point of mastering it if you're only going to utilize it once and discard it forever. Makes sense right.

What element other than wind that Naruto naturally possessed?

He used Magnet release Rasengan once before. He can use it again if he has Shukaku chakra.

 

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What element other than wind that Naruto naturally possessed?

He used Magnet release Rasengan once before. He can use it again if he has Shukaku chakra.

Several I think but that's not my point however. I think this video might give you some insight of what i'm talking abt. If Naruto's futon rasengan was able to cancel out a standard rasengan, which Sasuke is already struggling with.. why didn't he standardize it since a normal rasengan is an incomplete jutsu to begin with anyway.

Wouldn't that increase his level of damage ? Also since wind element > lightning, wouldn't that give Sasuke a disadvantage ?

[video=youtube_share;cIJAdbUrXwY]https://youtu.be/cIJAdbUrXwY[/video]​

 

[Warlocks]

Rasengan is really op
cuz Rasengan was able to kill momo

 

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Rasengan is real op
cuz Rasengan was able to kill momo

Aye, that one was a spirit bomb - gotta preach that

 

[Ansatsuken]

Several I think but that's not my point however. I think this video might give you some insight of what i'm talking abt. If Naruto's futon rasengan was able to cancel out a standard rasengan, which Sasuke is already struggling with.. why didn't he standardize it since a normal rasengan is an incomplete jutsu to begin with anyway.

Wouldn't that increase his level of damage ? Also since wind element > lightning, wouldn't that give Sasuke a disadvantage ?

[video=youtube_share;cIJAdbUrXwY]https://youtu.be/cIJAdbUrXwY[/video]​

Rasengan is a complete jutsu on its own, other added value just enhance it further but that doesnt mean standard rasengan is incomplete. No where it suggest something like that.

Same as Chidori, it base on lightning and its a complete jutsu, adding amaterasu just enhancing it further. It act as complimentary.

A complete Jutsu inside its own rank/category when it being combine with other element, that chozen element just act as a complementary. It will not making the core jutsu less complete.

It bcus the user manage to complete what is requires to create thiz core jutsu/standard jutsu. The jutsu iz declared as complete if the user can create it without any flaw. Adding outside element that has nothing to do with the core compositions of said jutsu just mean the user creating new specific technique.

 

[Aominecchi]

For me both techniques have drawbacks but were used to match the users good points and fighting style
For example Naruto is more of a head on fighter and the rasengan fits that style since it has huge destructive force when it lands
Sasuke on the other hand relied more on strategy, at least in the early days, and more of a stealth and quick finish style, chidori being used to stab and end a fight quick
When it came to clashes Sasuke can't penetrate the rasengan and the rasengan explodes as soon as it makes contact with the Chidori and blows Sasuke back, but you have to agree that each type none of them landed the jutsu on each other cause it would have been ko
At least that's how I see it

 

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Rasengan is a complete jutsu on its own, other added value just enhance it further but that doesnt mean standard rasengan is incomplete. No where it suggest something like that.

Same as Chidori, it base on lightning and its a complete jutsu, adding amaterasu just enhancing it further. It act as complimentary.

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A complete Jutsu inside its own rank/category when it being combine with other element, that chozen element just act as a complementary. It will not making the core jutsu less complete.

It bcus the user manage to complete what is requires to create thiz core jutsu/standard jutsu. The jutsu iz declared as complete if the user can create it without any flaw. Adding outside element that has nothing to do with the core compositions of said jutsu just mean the user creating new specific technique.

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Haiyoo, brader. You should know these simple facts by now.​

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Rasengan FTW.

 

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For me both techniques have drawbacks but were used to match the users good points and fighting style
For example Naruto is more of a head on fighter and the rasengan fits that style since it has huge destructive force when it lands
Sasuke on the other hand relied more on strategy, at least in the early days, and more of a stealth and quick finish style, chidori being used to stab and end a fight quick
When it came to clashes Sasuke can't penetrate the rasengan and the rasengan explodes as soon as it makes contact with the Chidori and blows Sasuke back, but you have to agree that each type none of them landed the jutsu on each other cause it would have been ko
At least that's how I see it

This I can completely agree with - Kudos. If it was other just than rasengan, there wouldn't be an explosion, just a straight targeted jab.

Rasengan FTW.

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Haiyoo, brader. You should know these simple facts by now.​

I even questioning Kakashi statement, how he defines a fully developed Rasengan? A jutsu with other element combine into it? It bcus what element would make Rasengan a fully developed? Or anyone who can combine any elements into Rasengan?

But how I see it What Minato and Naruto and Kakashi managed to create is a complete Rasengan in its purest form

 

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I even questioning Kakashi statement, how he defines a fully developed Rasengan? A jutsu with other element combine into it? It bcus what element would make Rasengan a fully developed? Or anyone who can combine any elements into Rasengan?

But how I see it What Minato and Naruto and Kakashi managed to create is a complete Rasengan in its purest form

Rasengan is like a foundation. It's ready be used but hasn't completed its true purpose. Take chidori for example, its base consists of change in form. You can still get a jab out of it, though it won't be as effective as Chidori. Yamato also has a hand based water release:

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