Chibaku tensei

[Rikudou Tobi]

I don't think people understand the usage of chibaku tensei. We all know that chibakui tensei becomes a sealing stone once the opponent/victim becomes or is attached to the core.
But another thing chibakui tensei can do is be manipulated and held together mid air. We seen Madara do it here.

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And Sasuke like-wise did it here.

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Heck, even Pain held it suspended in the air when it was about to crash down from the kyuubi rampage. So with that being said, why are all these people making it up to be banshou tenin?

Banshou tenin is when you pull opponents into the grasp of your open hand, it's completely different than chibaku tensei which allows you to control the centre of its core.
So this here is not banshou tenin, it's chibaku tensei.

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A lot of people had a hard time telling the difference, even when the caption said chibaku tensei.

 

[itachi4real]

I'm confused...what was the confusion?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Its not like that.

Chibaku Tensei is celestial body creation jutsu. Thats all. DB fact.

The manipulation(control) of it just one of ability that Rinnegan user have be it Banshou Tenin or unnamed tech.

Naturally complete CT will stayed on mid air like a moon unless the user moves it.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'm confused...what was the confusion?

Read the first sentence that ends in a question mark.

Its not like that.

Chibaku Tensei is celestial body creation jutsu. Thats all. DB fact.

The manipulation(control) of it just one of ability that Rinnegan user have be it Banshou Tenin or unnamed tech.

It's clearly not banshou tenin and you can see Madara addressing that his chibaku tensei is a bit different from the one he's seen before. And if you're gonna bring databook into this, what Sasuke did does not fit the description of banshou tenin.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Read the first sentence that ends in a question mark.

It's clearly not banshou tenin and you can see Madara addressing that his chibaku tensei is a bit different from the one he's seen before. And if you're gonna bring databook into this, what Sasuke did does not fit the description of banshou tenin.

I said to you in my previous post already. Take attention to it please.

The manipulation(control) of it just one of ability that Rinnegan user have be it Banshou Tenin or unnamed tech.

I like to bold and sized my focus point for people like you to take and think.

 

[SenseiSama]

Read the first sentence that ends in a question mark.

It's clearly not banshou tenin and you can see Madara addressing that his chibaku tensei is a bit different from the one he's seen before. And if you're gonna bring databook into this, what Sasuke did does not fit the description of banshou tenin.

Madara used a different hand sign to send the CT to the floor, it's the same hand sign for Shinra Tensei

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[Rikudou Tobi]

I said to you in my previous post already. Take attention to it please.



I like to bold and sized my focus point for people like you to take and think.

Read my post carefully. You said banshou tenin or unnamed technique. This post I made is completely objective to the point that is is not banshou tenin whatsoever, I never refuted it to be an unnamed technique but given the circumstances of how chibakui tensei works. It is completely unlikely. Read what Madara told Naruto.

Madara used a different hand sign to send the CT to the floor, it's the same hand sign for Shinra Tensei

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What does that have to do with banshou tenin? He faced his palm towards the floor sending the objects away from the user. Banshou tenin attracts objects towards the palm and not away.
Read carefully what Madara said about his chibaku tensei to Naruto.

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[Ansatsuken]

Read my post carefully. You said banshou tenin or unnamed technique. This post I made is completely objective to the point that is is not banshou tenin whatsoever, I never refuted it to be an unnamed technique but given the circumstances of how chibakui tensei works. It is completely unlikely. Read what Madara told Naruto.


What does that have to do with banshou tenin? He faced his palm towards the floor sending the objects away from the user. Banshou tenin attracts objects towards the palm and not away.

How CT work?

CT started from a black core being produced called as CT core. CT core have power to attract Object with mass(Rock as example). The core attract large and small chunk of Rocks until it became bigger and bigger.

What he said there? Nothing suggest it had something to do with CT but some Rinnegan ability. Like Toneri, his Tenseigan can moved a moon(gravity manipulation).

Quote: *This rain drops gonna be harder and bigger*

-Harder mean this CTs following it size(massive than a single mountain and even Nagato's CT), it can be more durable/stronger than Nagato's CT and hard to destroy.

-Bigger mean 'I think no need to be explain'

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

How CT work?

CT started from a black core being produced called as CT core. CT core have power to attract Object with mass(Rock as example). The core attract large and small chunk of Rocks until it became bigger and bigger.

What he said there? Nothing suggest it had something to do with CT but some Rinnegan ability. Like Toneri, his Tenseigan can moved a moon(gravity manipulation).

-Naruto: "It's even bigger than the last time...And there's even more of them"
1. Naruto has only seen a single chibaku tensei
2. Naruto has only seen smaller version of chibaku tensei.

Madara adds on

-Madara: "These raindrops are gonna be a bit harder and bigger than you're use to.."
1. Refers to his chibaku tensei as raindrops
2. What does raindrops do? They plummet towards the ground.
3. They're bigger
4. They are harder because he is manipulating the chibaku tensei to attack directly naruto and sasuke while avoid everyone else in the crossfire.

How are you not getting this?

 

[Commander Axe]

That feeling when the bible f*cks up your thread views

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

That feeling when the bible f*cks up your thread views

Not that kinda guy.

 

[Ansatsuken]

-Naruto: "It's even bigger than the last time...And there's even more of them"
1. Naruto has only seen a single chibaku tensei
2. Naruto has only seen smaller version of chibaku tensei.

Naruto sure only saw single CT before Madara.

Smaller bcus Nagato not a JJ make him less powerful compare to Madara.

Madara as JJ sure can created more CTs than Nagato. It logical

I dont see any relation between it with your 'try to make believable connection' thread here.

Madara adds on

-Madara: "These raindrops are gonna be a bit harder and bigger than you're use to.."
1. Refers to his chibaku tensei as raindrops
2. What does raindrops do? They plummet towards the ground.
3. They're bigger
4. They are harder because he is manipulating the chibaku tensei to attack directly naruto and sasuke while avoid everyone else in the crossfire.

How are you not getting this?

-He referred his CTs as rain drops bcus he will drop all those Cts like a rain drops using some ability of his Rinnegan.

-Sure it is

-Of course

-Not making any sense/not having any connection to the actual context/meaning of that word speak by Madara.

Even you're saying "he manipulate CT". Manipulate mean:-

ma·nip·u·late
məˈnipyəˌlāt/Submit
verb
verb: manipulate; 3rd person present: manipulates; past tense: manipulated; past participle: manipulated; gerund or present participle: manipulating
1.
handle or control (a tool, mechanism, etc.), typically in a skillful manner.


He controlling CT using a technique but that not saying it was one of CT capability.

Example. I create Fire jutsu and I manipulate it using wind element to make it bigger. Wind element is not fire but it being used to manipulate fire element.

You the one that not actually getting this simple conversation of Madara and Naruto.

Remember last time that I told you about 'Dumb thing you do'. This is one of it.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Naruto sure only saw single CT before Madara.

Smaller bcus Nagato not a JJ make him less powerful compare to Madara.

Madara as JJ sure can created more CTs than Nagato. It logical

I dont see any relation between it and your 'try to make believable connection thread here'

Besides the point that you don't need to be a JJ to make more chibakui tenseis because duh Sasuke, the connection to this thread is that Madara is able to expand the use of chibakui tensei. Simple.

-He referred his CTs as rain drop bcus he will drops all those Cts like a rain drops using some ability of his Rinnegan.

-Sure it is

-If course

-Not making any sense/not having any connection to the actual context/meaning of that word speak by Madara.

You the one that not actually getting this simple conversation of Madara and Naruto.

Rememeb last time that I told you about 'Dumb thing you do'. This one of it.

1. That rinnegan ability is chibakui tensei and any other fanfiction is pointess to bring up.
Chibaku tensei is chibaku tensei, you can't add another technique on top of an already existing one.
2. Well no shit Sherlock
3. Are you incapable of understanding Madara's context?

Remember what I said about stupid comments on that last thread? This is absolutely one of them.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Besides the point that you don't need to be a JJ to make more chibakui tenseis because duh Sasuke, the connection to this thread is that Madara is able to expand the use of chibakui tensei. Simple.

But what you bring here couldnt be a proof bcus the connection is not there. You want to prove that what Madara did was CT tech.

But creating more than one CTs mean nothing if you want to used it as proof.

It just mean people with more power can create more CTs.

1. That rinnegan ability is chibakui tensei and any other fanfiction is pointess to bring up.
Chibaku tensei is chibaku tensei, you can't add another technique on top of an already existing one.
2. Well no shit Sherlock
3. Are you incapable of understanding Madara's context?

Remember what I said about stupid comments on that last thread? This is absolutely one of them.

And CT only do this(creating celestial body) and anything you put beside it is Fan fic. I go with DB but you tried to created an assumption/Theory. Theory is not fact

CT from DB translation:-


"Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a kekkei genkai sealing jutsu.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic sattelite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.

No 3. You're the one is incapable.

And lastly at the bold, it lean more toward you bcus how pathetic you're in creating counter arguments.

I edit my previous post. Try counter it

 

[DominiqueX]

I'm not surprised anymore. There are stupid people everwhere who make things up.
Don't know how anyone could doubt that the user of CT just controls the core for movement. Banshō Ten'in? wtf xD

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

But what you bring here couldnt be a proved bcus the connection is not there. You want to prove that what Madara did was CT tech.

But creating more than one CTs mean nothing if you want to used it as proof.

It just mean people with more power can create more CTs.

The connection here is that there are different variations to chibakui tensei and different ways each caster use them. The most powerful chibaku tensei is a single chibaku tensei and it is a chibaku tensei that cannot be manipulated like all the others.
These different sizes and usages of chibaku tensei proves that everything we've seen that involved a sealing stone is chibaku tensei and nothing more. But you're too senile to grasp simple concept.

And CT only do this and anything you put beside it is Fan fic. I go with DB but you tried to created an assumption/Theory. Theory is not fact
CT from DB translation:-


"Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a kekkei genkai sealing jutsu.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic sattelite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.

This is a Six path chibakui tensei. This hardly makes any connection to anything you've been going on about.
-That DB entry says nothing about making multiple chibaku tensei
-Says nothing about manipulating its center like Sasuke and Madara did
Any fanfiction speculation that is not written in black and white on the manga page is garbage. All we read was a clap sfxx and chibaku tensei, that's it. Using an assumption is fanfiction.

And lastly at the bold, it lean more toward you bcus how pathetic you're in creating counter arguments.

I edit my previous post. Try to counter it

This retort is pathetic. All you did is paste and copy a DB translation of a six path chibaku tensei.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'm not surprised anymore. There are stupid people everwhere who make things up.
Don't know how anyone could doubt that the user of CT just controls the core for movement. Banshō Ten'in? wtf xD

Exactly!!!!
I'm not the only one who is seeing this. People just look at the pretty pictures without reading the context of the characters

 

[Ansatsuken]

Dont get me wrong OP.

First I never said it BT but just a technique. But the tech is not CT/specific CT tech beside sealing. But it more about Rinnegan user connection with CT where they can control it.

I disagree if you're saying it under CT's specific tech. It just user control.

 

[NarutoX28]

Chibaku Tensei functions on similar principles that Bansho Tenin does except that instead of the user being the center of mass, he creates a black orb that serves that purpose, or, if you're as proficient as Hagoromo and Sasuke, then you can manipulate any being to be the center of mass. That, and of course, Chibaku Tensei pulls objects around the center of mass as opposed to Bansho Tenin focusing on one particular object at the same time.

It seems like a very advanced form of Bansho Tenin IMO.

 

[Holy God]

We already know that the core's position can be manipulated from prior usage so it can be assumed that one can control the finished result. It's a bit different however when Planetary Devastation uses an entity as the core because it's not something produced by the Rinnegan, so it may or may not be the same process.