Chapter rants: We are mad at Kishi

[bajram]

I don't "love" this manga. at least not in the sense you're thinking. It's good, but I keep in perspective. It's actually your love of the manga that gets you so clearly pissed. If you gave 0 ****s you wouldn't even visit this forum. I, and many others, view the manga more objectively. That's why some of they come up with theories. You come here because you wish it was as good was before and you want to reaffirm your opinion with others that feel the same. I assure you my opinion may be a minority but certainly others do feel the same.

You can feel other arcs were better, but that doesn't mean the level of story telling has gone down. It actually means your expectations for a good story has gone up. Your view of the older arcs are filled with nostalgia. Go back and read your favorites and tell me there were no "asspulls" in it. 100% guaranteed there were. Difference being you were okay with them because you like those decisions, you forgave them because there wasn't much of history of it at that point, or you didn't feel like you knew everything about the NV at that point so you were okay with certain things you thought were true being false or things you felt sacred being changed.

I created this account on 2011 and barely have 1800 posts these last 2 years i barely logged its cause for me the manga went downhill, whether my expectations have gone up or down idk cause I used to care about how the manga went I used to think Naruto i the best manga ever until I got in other mangas so by looking at that there are a lot of better storys than narutos story which for me right now is utter garbage where the writer keep pulling things without explanation or contradicting himself in almost everything

 

[iiPyromaniac]

I created this account on 2011 and barely have 1800 posts these last 2 years i barely logged its cause for me the manga went downhill, whether my expectations have gone up or down idk cause I used to care about how the manga went I used to think Naruto i the best manga ever until I got in other mangas so by looking at that there are a lot of better storys than narutos story which for me right now is utter garbage where the writer keep pulling things without explanation or contradicting himself in almost everything

I think you're forgetting that this has always been Kishi's style. He always tends to pull things without explanation. The whole story of Naruto contradicts itself many times. This wouldn't be the first time that Kishi has done this.

 

[bajram]

I think you're forgetting that this has always been Kishi's style. He always tends to pull things without explanation. The whole story of Naruto contradicts itself many times. This wouldn't be the first time that Kishi has done this.

That's why I said these last 2 years its not like it didnt happen before but during the war arc the things happening without a proper explanation are too much, not to forget how many times the writer contradicts himself I mean thats just bad story telling.

 

[NaruKido Sennin]

Re: This is bad writing

Brace yourselves, Sakura PS inc.!

ROFL, bro if that happens kishi is popping ecstasy pills before writing that kinda trash

 

[ninjarasengan]

That's why I said these last 2 years its not like it didnt happen before but during the war arc the things happening without a proper explanation are too much, not to forget how many times the writer contradicts himself I mean thats just bad story telling.

out of curiosity...can you list some of the things that didn't get proper explanation during the war arc and also give some of the times the writer himself contradicts himself (I don't mean a character with limited knowledge contradicting another character with either false or limited knowledge)

 

[MrDuck]

lol that's all we need to know to understand his butthurt.
sasuke is not that special anymore, so they feel threaten.

Well, its not just because he's a Sasuke a fanboy. I like Sasuke just fine.

I just don't like fanboys in general. Not here, not a game sites, not with tv shows,...

Somehow it just strikes me as some angry teens who tend to think in extremes easily. Also as unintelligent in a sense (not at an iq level because I do know people who were never good at school for example of who I do think they're intelligent/wise).

 

[Dyelonstron]

Re: Are Sasuke Fans Mad?

you're butthurt? Itachi was dying and going blind. Maybe if that mysterious illness wasn't killing him he could. who knows?

I am mad, but not because Kakshi got a massive power up. It is the way he got it and the fact that he got perfect susanoo while Itachi could not do it

 

[bajram]

out of curiosity...can you list some of the things that didn't get proper explanation during the war arc and also give some of the times the writer himself contradicts himself (I don't mean a character with limited knowledge contradicting another character with either false or limited knowledge)

Of course one of them is right in this chapter the other one is Madara using Susano without eyes, then there are power ups that does not even make sense at all, we have a villian controlling another villian from nagato to Kaguya this makes the manga look like its being written by kubo where aizen plans your live the same is with madara, kishi just destroyed an awesome villain for an muted alien, changing eyes without even surgery I mean madara just goes steals kakashis eye and inserts it in his eye hole and bam it starts working immediately, the logic in this manga is completely dead, then there are poor writing such as Obito was a cool guy, I mean really? or Minato stoping kakashi to kill obito even though that brat was the reason of his wifes tragic death and naruto's tragic life.

The contradiction on this manga is becoming a part of it , the guy makes Sarutobi the strongest hokage then hes like **** it im changing my mind.

SO6P was the strongest character ever than again **** it his mother should be the one.

The manga is about ninjas so they should fight with strategies and things, then again **** it lets just make it DBZ where who has the biggest explosion should be the winner.

Then the main contradiction of this manga is the way naruto wanted to become hokage even though he was hated by everyone and the moment he told neji that u can change ur life even if u are born a loser than even a loser can change his fate and become stronger but wtf kishi sticking to his own words is impossible, he changes it since the timeskip and makes naruto the child of prophecy and makes him the most important guy ever while those who worked hard like rock lee would be curb stomped by todays naruto, the working hard theme and never giving up theme where is that? no matter how much u train or try to be stronger there is always going to be someone who stomps u because he has the holy sharingan or rinnegan, its all about dojutsu and bijuu other can fck theyre selves, oh and the answer to everything "Senju DNA".

Im not even wasting my time pointing plot holes it owuld take a whole page Im not wasting my time on that.

 

[marksonm]

So Obito is able to use his eye power even in the spirit world, like a transmigrant stuff, Just like Hagoromo did and also, its almost the same as when Tsunade's boyfriend gave her chakra from the transmigrant jutsu that he did by flying to her.

Kishi has been hinting that this is possible all along but only with certain people with some form of teleportation… Even Minato and Kushina gave Naruto some chakra under different circumstances.

This time, it is Obito who used his eyes to jump back and passed it unto Kakashi, but this time he gives him the two eyes which grants him a double MS, so he can harness the true power of the sharingan eyes.

Now that I have said that, we all know that Kakashi is known for his ability to mimic or copy other people's technique… so now that he has two sharingans, he can copy any technique that is including a sharingan technique as he now has the same eyes x2…
If we noticed, as soon as he got the eyes he looked at Sasuke's Susanoo and copied it straight away with the double MS.

These form the true powers of Obito's eyes when they are together.
Remember the MS has 3 powers and for now we know two or three for this obito's eye
1. Teleportation
2. Copying jutsus
3 I don't know if this counts but I will say passing through objects/ I think its the Susanoo (because during the beginning of the war Obito used Uchiha Kinjutsu which is like some form of susanoo part to protect the 10 tails when it was forming)

Sasuke and Itachi had
1. Susanoo 2. Amaterasu and 3. Genjutsu

So I don't understand why people are so surprised… I guess its because of how quick Kishi did it all in one chapter and it was a chapter that people didn't know what to expect…
We all knew that Kakashi would have to get the sharingan back but Kishi used our expectation to play with our mind by letting Obito crumble first and then we lost hope of Kakashi getting it back… then he made Obito come from the spirit world because he had to renew the eyes before giving it to Kakashi (if you remember their eyesight were already going bad), also the eyes can teleport which is the main reason he could come back quickly to enter inside Kakashi. This shows that Obito Uchiha has one of the most unique eyes… plus he has been Juubi Jin, so that alone should have altered his body, DNA and the abilities of his double MS.

Cheer up guys!

 

[Cornballs227]

All I will say is this. Complaining, ranting, and hating on the manga or manga author will result in nothing but someone getting provoked. The manga will not change because someone wants it to. If you are not liking the manga, or feel very angry on the manga, I'd suggest you just take a break from the manga for a while and read something else, or if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all.

I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm saying this to prevent others.

 

[TrevorFenix]

This base is filled with a bunch of cry babies that are mad because kishi didn't write the manga how they wanted it to go. Idk about you guys but writing a manga for as long as he has is probably a very tough thing to do, and I laugh at everyone who complains because I know that they couldn't do any better lol. People just think they can do what kishi does but in reality they can't, or they would be writing Naruto. I like the manga the way it is but what I don't like is so called fans of this manga just bashing it every week lol. Stop reading if all you can do is complain about lol.

 

[TrevorFenix]

Of course one of them is right in this chapter the other one is Madara using Susano without eyes, then there are power ups that does not even make sense at all, we have a villian controlling another villian from nagato to Kaguya this makes the manga look like its being written by kubo where aizen plans your live the same is with madara, kishi just destroyed an awesome villain for an muted alien, changing eyes without even surgery I mean madara just goes steals kakashis eye and inserts it in his eye hole and bam it starts working immediately, the logic in this manga is completely dead, then there are poor writing such as Obito was a cool guy, I mean really? or Minato stoping kakashi to kill obito even though that brat was the reason of his wifes tragic death and naruto's tragic life.

The contradiction on this manga is becoming a part of it , the guy makes Sarutobi the strongest hokage then hes like **** it im changing my mind.

SO6P was the strongest character ever than again **** it his mother should be the one.

The manga is about ninjas so they should fight with strategies and things, then again **** it lets just make it DBZ where who has the biggest explosion should be the winner.

Then the main contradiction of this manga is the way naruto wanted to become hokage even though he was hated by everyone and the moment he told neji that u can change ur life even if u are born a loser than even a loser can change his fate and become stronger but wtf kishi sticking to his own words is impossible, he changes it since the timeskip and makes naruto the child of prophecy and makes him the most important guy ever while those who worked hard like rock lee would be curb stomped by todays naruto, the working hard theme and never giving up theme where is that? no matter how much u train or try to be stronger there is always going to be someone who stomps u because he has the holy sharingan or rinnegan, its all about dojutsu and bijuu other can fck theyre selves, oh and the answer to everything "Senju DNA".

Im not even wasting my time pointing plot holes it owuld take a whole page Im not wasting my time on that.

Yeah this manga has always been so logical from the very beginning lol. You act like this world has a set number of rules and for that reason you are an idiot lol. To complain about logic in a fictional universe created by a single person is literally stupid. The logic of Naruto has never been solid, and for people to complain now about is because they personally wanted something different from the story so in that case go read something that suits your fancy.

 

[MrDuck]

Of course one of them is right in this chapter the other one is Madara using Susano without eyes, then there are power ups that does not even make sense at all, we have a villian controlling another villian from nagato to Kaguya this makes the manga look like its being written by kubo where aizen plans your live the same is with madara, kishi just destroyed an awesome villain for an muted alien, changing eyes without even surgery I mean madara just goes steals kakashis eye and inserts it in his eye hole and bam it starts working immediately, the logic in this manga is completely dead, then there are poor writing such as Obito was a cool guy, I mean really? or Minato stoping kakashi to kill obito even though that brat was the reason of his wifes tragic death and naruto's tragic life.

The contradiction on this manga is becoming a part of it , the guy makes Sarutobi the strongest hokage then hes like **** it im changing my mind.

SO6P was the strongest character ever than again **** it his mother should be the one.

The manga is about ninjas so they should fight with strategies and things, then again **** it lets just make it DBZ where who has the biggest explosion should be the winner.

Then the main contradiction of this manga is the way naruto wanted to become hokage even though he was hated by everyone and the moment he told neji that u can change ur life even if u are born a loser than even a loser can change his fate and become stronger but wtf kishi sticking to his own words is impossible, he changes it since the timeskip and makes naruto the child of prophecy and makes him the most important guy ever while those who worked hard like rock lee would be curb stomped by todays naruto, the working hard theme and never giving up theme where is that? no matter how much u train or try to be stronger there is always going to be someone who stomps u because he has the holy sharingan or rinnegan, its all about dojutsu and bijuu other can fck theyre selves, oh and the answer to everything "Senju DNA".

Im not even wasting my time pointing plot holes it owuld take a whole page Im not wasting my time on that.

1) Madara using Susano'o without his eyes is totally plausible. Susano'o is a manifestation of chakra. Unlike Tsukuyomi for example, one doesn't use the eye in particular for the jutsu to work. Then why do you need MS you ask? Well, the Sharingan is just the reflection of the special chakra that Uchiha have which starts in the brain. All you need for Susano'o is that special chakra (Itachi used it when blind too) and not the reflection on the eye.

2) The eyes Madara 'popped' in attached themself so quickly due to Hashirama sage mode chakra which accelerates healing tremendously.

Am I saying these explanations are 100% correct? No, but they're plausible explanations to me. Sometimes you have to think a bit yourself instead of expecting the author to spoonfeed you everything.

 

[bajram]

Yeah this manga has always been so logical from the very beginning lol. You act like this world has a set number of rules and for that reason you are an idiot lol. To complain about logic in a fictional universe created by a single person is literally stupid. The logic of Naruto has never been solid, and for people to complain now about is because they personally wanted something different from the story so in that case go read something that suits your fancy.

I never insulted anyone here but I guess thats how narrow minded ppl discuss but who cares im not falling in the same level as urs.

Oh and I always though that this manga requires logic, I never knew the manga is just for illogical idiots, I already stated that I dont give a fvk about this shitty manga anymore so yeah ofc im reading other mangas.

1) Madara using Susano'o without his eyes is totally plausible. Susano'o is a manifestation of chakra. Unlike Tsukuyomi for example, one doesn't use the eye in particular for the jutsu to work. Then why do you need MS you ask? Well, the Sharingan is just the reflection of the special chakra that Uchiha have which starts in the brain. All you need for Susano'o is that special chakra (Itachi used it when blind too) and not the reflection on the eye.

2) The eyes Madara 'popped' in attached themself so quickly due to Hashirama sage mode chakra which accelerates healing tremendously.

Am I saying these explanations are 100% correct? No, but they're plausible explanations to me. Sometimes you have to think a bit yourself instead of expecting the author to spoonfeed you everything.

That is what makes a shitty writer bro, when u write something at least explain it, but instead he wants to think us about his flaws im not the kind of person who eats his shitty asspulls.

 

[Draxus]

That is what makes a shitty writer bro, when u write something at least explain it, but instead he wants to think us about his flaws im not the kind of person who eats his shitty asspulls.

I guess you prefer the Bleach style were everyone explain how their ability works to the opponent after they get a hit in?

 

[bajram]

I guess you prefer the Bleach style were everyone explain how their ability works to the opponent after they get a hit in?

Not really i droped Bleach already, actually Im saying that kishi is writing the manga the same as kubo right now he is trolling which kubo does all the time.

 

[OcularProwess]

Lol everyone's done with naruto until the next chapter it's ridiculous

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

So Bajram do you still read the manga?

 

[GreenV]

It's been bad since the war arc. It became sh*t after Juubito's defeat. No more logic after then.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

It's been bad since the war arc. It became sh*t after Juubito's defeat. No more logic after then.

Why seek logic when there was none to begin with?