[Discussion] Champa Destroys The Universe and The Real Return of Future Trunks!

[Itachi Edo]

After losing the tournament, Champa enters rage mode and destroys the parallel universes. This would explain the person from the future Toriyama was talking about.

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[Gerkak]

It would be cool if future trunks was as strong as goku.

 

[Itachi Edo]

It would be cool if future trunks was as strong as goku.

He's gotta be pretty close. He was stronger than Vegeta when he went back to the future. If he kept training it's possible.

 

[Itachi 4 life]

He's gotta be pretty close. He was stronger than Vegeta when he went back to the future. If he kept training it's possible.

He was not stronger than Vegeta, keep ur bs for yourself. The only time FT was stronger than Veggie was at the beginning , before Veggie was ssj

 

[Gerkak]

He's gotta be pretty close. He was stronger than Vegeta when he went back to the future. If he kept training it's possible.

Yeah but how would he acquire super saiyan god? The only way to come close is with that power.

He was not stronger than Vegeta, keep ur bs for yourself. The only time FT was stronger than Veggie was at the beginning , before Veggie was ssj

He was, he had a higher power level and did better against the cell jrs. than vegeta.

 

[Itachi Edo]

He was not stronger than Vegeta, keep ur bs for yourself. The only time FT was stronger than Veggie was at the beginning , before Veggie was ssj

Went to a higher grade of SSJ during the Cell Games arc, was stated by multiple characters to be stronger than Vegeta, and he held up better against the Cell Jrs. You can argue Vegeta could have gone to the same grade of SSJ, I believe SSJ grade 5 in the manga, but he never did it and he was never confirmed as being able to reach that level.

 

[Meowazziel]

He was, he had a higher power level and did better against the cell jrs. than vegeta.

Nope. Equal back than at best.

Cell explained in their fight, that Trunks kept powering up at the cost of speed
and that Vegeta stopped at a certain point, because he understood that it it would come at the cost of losing to much speed, due to the heavy increased in size muscles.

Trunks understood his mistake and realised that Vegeta could have powered up the same way as Trunks,
but decided to stop at a certain point as he would lose to much speed in exchange.

Trunks felt bad for not having realised this sooner.

 

[Gerkak]

Nope. Equal back than at best.

Cell explained in their fight, that Trunks kept powering up at the cost of speed
and that Vegeta stopped at a certain point, because he understood that it it would come at the cost of losing to much speed.

Trunks understood his mistake and that Vegeta could have powered up the same way as Trunks, but decided to stop at a certain point as he would lose to much speed in exchange.

Trunks felt bad for not having realised this sooner.

Trunks did better than vegeta against the cell jrs. Also even before trunks went ssj grade 3 krillin felt that trunks's power was higher than vegeta. Trunks was slightly stronger

 

[Itachi Edo]

Trunks did better than vegeta against the cell jrs. Also even before trunks went ssj grade 3 krillin felt that trunks's power was higher than vegeta. Trunks was slightly stronger

Thank you. We're talking power, not balance. Was it grade 3? Damn, got my numbers mixed up. I said 5.

 

[Itachi 4 life]

Went to a higher grade of SSJ during the Cell Games arc, was stated by multiple characters to be stronger than Vegeta, and he held up better against the Cell Jrs. You can argue Vegeta could have gone to the same grade of SSJ, I believe SSJ grade 5 in the manga, but he never did it and he was never confirmed as being able to reach that level.

None of what you said was in the manga. Manga clearly portraits Vegeta as the stronger of the 2. Idc about your anime filler bs, you can take it up somewhere else.

 

[Exaar]

None of what you said was in the manga. Manga clearly portraits Vegeta as the stronger of the 2. Idc about your anime filler bs, you can take it up somewhere else.

A manga chapter was even made called "trunks surpasses his father"
If trunks wasn't stronger he wouldn't of been worried about hiding his power until cell knocked out vegeta.

Even piccolo said the power trunks was out putting surpassed cells current power (obviously i know cell was still hiding his true power), While even warming up cells power surpassed vegeta's

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Trunks surpassed him only because vegeta knew the weakness of the new form and focused on training with a some what balanced state, While trunks focused on this new form without noticing it's weakness, Thus surpassed vegeta in raw power.

 

[Meowazziel]

A manga chapter was even made called "trunks surpasses his father"
If trunks wasn't stronger he wouldn't of been worried about hiding his power until cell knocked out vegeta.

Even piccolo said the power trunks was out putting surpassed cells current power (obviously i know cell was still hiding his true power), While even warming up cells power surpassed vegeta's

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Trunks surpassed him only because vegeta knew the weakness of the new form and focused on training with a some what balanced state, While trunks focused on this new form without noticing it's weakness, Thus surpassed vegeta in raw power.

In the episode Trunks later realised that Vegeta could have done it as well, but that Vegeta understood about its limits.
On top of that, Cell showed he can do it as well and told that Vegeta knew about the limits and asked why Trunks didnt realise the limits of pumping up muslces.

Trunks didnt really surpass Vegeta or Cell.

As both could do the same as Trunks, the pumping up muslces till the point that your speed goes down to much.
However they realised the weakness, so they didnt use that form for battle.

The title and comments about trunks surpassing are misleading.

 

[Vanto]

idk how that'd work, Vados, Whis and Beerus would step in and even if Champa succeed, he'll have to face three beings, two of whom are above him in power by a large degree, and one of whom is equal to him.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That's impossible. Champa can't do that before Vados, Whis, and Beerus stop him. Even if he could manage to do that, Whis and Vados could travel 3 minutes back in time and stop Champa.

 

[Meowazziel]

After losing the tournament, Champa enters rage mode and destroys the parallel universes. This would explain the person from the future Toriyama was talking about.

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Wouldnt it be really messed up if kid Trunks and Future Trunks meet?

Besides Whis can reverse time by 3 minutes.
Wouldnt that make it unlikely that Champa can do something like destroying the universe 6 and 7?

 

[Itachi Edo]

Wouldnt it be really messed up if kid Trunks and Future Trunks meet?

Besides Whis can reverse time by 3 minutes.
Wouldnt that make it unlikely that Champa can do something like destroying the universe 6 and 7?

That would be golden

 

[Itachi Edo]

That's impossible. Champa can't do that before Vados, Whis, and Beerus stop him. Even if he could manage to do that, Whis and Vados could travel 3 minutes back in time and stop Champa.

Goes back to the initial point raised. Vados and Whis have to have a limit far as scope goes with their ability. We've seen planetary destruction reversed, but not universal.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

How is Champa supposed to destroy the universe? Vados or Whis would stop him, really really easily. You say there's most likely a limit to their powers, but unless he can somehow kill both of them before destroying the universe, i'm not seeing it happening.

Even then, i don't see Champa doing that at all.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

He was not stronger than Vegeta, keep ur bs for yourself. The only time FT was stronger than Veggie was at the beginning , before Veggie was ssj

No Trunks was a little stronger than Vegeta when they squared up against Semi-Perfect Cell. After their second day of training, I'd say Vegeta was stronger again. Now, that is for Akira to do.

 

[Meowazziel]

That would be golden

Referring to the Trunks part now right?

What about that Whis can reverse time. Makes it unlikely that Champa can destroy 2 universes (6 and 7) right with someone like Whis around?
How is Champa gonna destroy the universes 6 en 7 in that case?