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I would begin handling that argument, Kaziname, but it's my policy to not touch anything that's a piece of utter trash.

If you actually read Caliburn's post, you would understand - or wait, I forgot, you have comprehension issues. Let me sum it up for you: He covered everything you said before you said it.

Oh by the way, Cali, that last sentence of Kaziname's seems to be begging for a ban from my point of view.
 

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I was asking rag a question about our RP... Are we following the laws of nature or the laws of NB? (He didn't give me a clear answer to it) No matter what the rank is - diamond is always diamond. Another thing: His pieces weren't of the size of arm. Go watch the anime again. You are really funny. So you are actually saying that I can't reassemble if I get sliced in half by S-ranked jutsu and that I can reassemble after being blown to bits by exploding tag. If you haven't noticed - tag does more damage in this case... Then again - as I said, diamond is always diamond meaning that it would always have it's high melting point, it's hardness, it's density which would make water explosion completely useless against it. And for that earth jutsus - how can they implode on me if I am already compressed due to being completely made of diamond? And why would it be impossible to use elemental jutsus while using "Assimilate All Creation Technique"? How do guys use inner sonar skill and use jutsus at same time. Although assimilate all creation technique requires usage of chakra over whole body, sonar skill requires rather precise chakra control (I mean, do you even understand what it means to hear bouncing sound that occurs due to your breathing?). Why don't we just go in the past and consider all battles where it was used null? The thing that I definitely know is that they went over the edge in that filler with that jutsu (although guy was wounded by chidori there is no visible damage on his body once kakashi pulls it out meaning that lack of chakra was probably a reason why he was defeated and believe me, I've got plenty of it) and I intended to overuse it to gain more power until it gets banned from RP.
Rank plays a huge part in the strength of an object. B-ranked lightning can beat D-ranked earth, but S-ranked earth can beat B- Ranked lightning. However, by your logic Earth is Earth the same way diamond is diamond, although I just showed you how Earth has varying degrees of strength based on its rank.





I dont know how much experince you have with diamonds, but they can get chipped, scratched and broken. If you apply enough pressure, say like with an implosion, the diamond will fail.

He didnt say it would be impossible to use elemental jutsu, he said It is likely that you would only be able to use Earth jutsu because you are using a technique that requires you to channel earth chakra all over your body.

When you have to use the word "probably", you should know that your argument is weak.
 

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How can you even call this arguing when you don't read any of my posts. I have nothing against you and, although you annoyed me quite a bit by ignoring me, I still read all your posts carefully. Please do the same with my posts.

1. Yes it is the most fundamental rule of RP battling but you can't bypass laws of nature either. You are actually telling me that some S-ranked earth jutsu has hardness of diamond when it is going to destroy C-ranked diamond jutsu and when some A-ranked lightning jutsu attacks the same earth jutsu it gets completely destroyed. You are actually telling me that S-rank water jutsu can destroy C-ranked diamond jutsu even though diamond is hardest element on earth and when the same water jutsu encounters A-ranked earth jutsu it can't destroy it although it could destroy world's hardest element? And pls tell me, where do you get that info about this jutsu? I mean, there is NOTHING mentioned about element taken through this jutsu to be some weak-ass copy. btw. If you have read my previous VM - LoK hasn't even used that earth jutsus in first place...

2. He didn't avoid his attack because he was surprised by Kakashi's knowing of his hiding place and because he was using some idiotic jutsu which made him look like the stone :)confused:) making him unable to move.

@SY - I said probably because even Caliburn CANNOT know the reason why he got defeated by chidori. It would be idiotic to say that it is confirmed when I don't have any evidences of it (and neither does he have of his theory.) Also - it is not earth chakra that is used to use that jutsu...
EDIT: you do understand that only edges can be easily chipped, right?

I would begin handling that argument, Kaziname, but it's my policy to not touch anything that's a piece of utter trash.

If you actually read Caliburn's post, you would understand - or wait, I forgot, you have comprehension issues. Let me sum it up for you: He covered everything you said before you said it.

Oh by the way, Cali, that last sentence of Kaziname's seems to be begging for a ban from my point of view.
Don't call Caliburn a piece of trash! but thanks for your support anyway <3

btw. I don't like to insult anyone (especially not the mods) but I can't let you insult me like that. I have never done anything to insult you (don't write that I have insulted you with stupid posts - it is your fault for not reading my posts carefully/at all).
 
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How can you even call this arguing when you don't read any of my posts. I have nothing against you and, although you annoyed me quite a bit by ignoring me, I still read all your posts carefully. Please do the same with my posts.

1. Yes it is the most fundamental rule of RP battling but you can't bypass laws of nature either. You are actually telling me that some S-ranked earth jutsu has hardness of diamond when it is going to destroy C-ranked diamond jutsu and when some A-ranked lightning jutsu attacks the same earth jutsu it gets completely destroyed. You are actually telling me that S-rank water jutsu can destroy C-ranked diamond jutsu even though diamond is hardest element on earth and when the same water jutsu encounters A-ranked earth jutsu it can't destroy it although it could destroy world's hardest element? And pls tell me, where do you get that info about this jutsu? I mean, there is NOTHING mentioned about element taken through this jutsu to be some weak-ass copy. btw. If you have read my previous VM - LoK hasn't even used that earth jutsus in first place...

2. He didn't avoid his attack because he was surprised by Kakashi's knowing of his hiding place and because he was using some idiotic jutsu which made him look like the stone :)confused:) making him unable to move.

@SY - I said probably because even Caliburn CANNOT know the reason why he got defeated by chidori. It would be idiotic to say that it is confirmed when I don't have any evidences of it (and neither does he have of his theory.) Also - it is not earth chakra that is used to use that jutsu...
EDIT: you do understand that only edges can be easily chipped, right?


Its not only edges. A diamond can be completely destroyed if it is struck in a point of weakness. its just easier to chip and edge than break it in half. would you like to put it to the test? go ahead and take your moms wedding ring and smash it with a hammer. xd The shape also has much to do with where a diamonds weak points are, so If we had a diamond in the shape of a human, I'm sure we would see mutiple chips and even broken "appendages" if we smashed it with a rock.
 

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Its not only edges. A diamond can be completely destroyed if it is struck in a point of weakness. its just easier to chip and edge than break it in half. would you like to put it to the test? go ahead and take your moms wedding ring and smash it with a hammer. xd The shape also has much to do with where a diamonds weak points are, so If we had a diamond in the shape of a human, I'm sure we would see mutiple chips and even broken "appendages" if we smashed it with a rock.
I have no problems with that either. It would have the same effect as if you blown me to pieces from where I would reassemble myself...

@Emperor - I wasn't asking for ban - I said that the jutsu should get restricted/banned... You apparently have some problems with comprehension :)

PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THIS WHOLE ARGUE - LoK HAVEN'T, I REPEAT HAVEN'T USED THAT EARTH JUTSUS!!!!!!!
 

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Have you any idea how extremely sad these posts of you are? Thay contain no arguments whatsoever and in the end the only thing that changes is that you're loosing credibility at a stead yrate.

I was asking rag a question about our RP... Are we following the laws of nature or the laws of NB? (He didn't give me a clear answer to it) No matter what the rank is - diamond is always diamond.
Invalid argument and an extremely desparate attempt.

1) Radical: following the laws of nature nearly everything would be impossible in Naruto.

2) Moderate: following the laws of nature you wouldn't even possible to move or when was the last time you saw the worlds hardest substance bend, twist and vow like it's normal skin?

3) Laws of nature have a certain worth, however not that much. We follow in the first place the laws of Naruto and the rules of our RP system, both which you are completey ignoring.

4) No diamond is not always diamond. If you watched the anime clearly you would have seen that the clue of the entire fight of Kakashi vs that guy was that he was copying everything but in the end Kakashi himself said that it's not the real deal. You have taken properties of diamond but never became real diamond. If your chakra runs out, your technique will wear of. What did we learn from that? That your diamond was created utilizing chakra. Fire, lightning etc. those are not the true real deals, they are made or supported by chakra. Yours is already a weaker version of the diamond CE (stated in the anime) and when chakra is confronted with chakra that's way more powerful, it will succumb. That's the basic law of nature in the Narutoverse, which is personfied by giving ranks to jutsu's.

Another thing: His pieces weren't of the size of arm. Go watch the anime again.
I watched it, but you have apparantly both trouble in reading and watching, how sad. I wrote clearly the size of arms and hands. Convenient that you ignored the latter part as that certainly was the case. I suggest you follow your own advice, following advice of a person that can't follow it himself has never been much worth.

So you are actually saying that I can't reassemble if I get sliced in half by S-ranked jutsu and that I can reassemble after being blown to bits by exploding tag. If you haven't noticed - tag does more damage in this case... Then again - as I said, diamond is always diamond meaning that it would always have it's high melting point, it's hardness, it's density which would make water explosion completely useless against it. And for that earth jutsus - how can they implode on me if I am already compressed due to being completely made of diamond?
Invalid argument, now you're even trying to place things in my mouth I never said, how sad.

1) I never said such a thing, it depends on the jutsu. If it's a normal S-rank kenjutsu move without the usage of chakra, then you could reassemble. If it's for instance infused with raiton chakra, no, as the chakra would attack the chakra that you are using for that jutsu and completely overpower it => proven by Kakashi in the fight. Same goes for normal taijutsu, 8 IG asisde even afte an S-rank taijutsu move you could possibly reassemble, however I'm talking about ninjutsu here, all the other skills are irrelevant here.

2) Exploding tags don't require chakra or barely any and his body was blown in pretty large chunks. After that water explosion you've been blown in so man tiny bits and your chakre got completely demolished it's impossible to reassemble.

3) And I already told you it's not real diamond, it's chakra based diamond. You are saying that someone who has the diamond CE will be able to survive any jutsu just by making some E-rank diamond armour? Then you're breaking both the battle rules of NB head on. In direct confrontation higher jutsu's always overpower lower ones, even if it's an elemental weakness when the difference is too big. It's diamond created by your chakra (and it's weaker diamond than the CE diamond) the chakra of an S-rank is so powerful it will completely obliterate the chakra of that's supporting that diamond of yours and if your chakra is defeated, so is your diamond armour. According to your logic, just because it's diamond, the battle rules and the laws of nature of the Narutoverse should be ignored. You are saying that an C-rank defensive earth could survive and S-ranked offensive water jutsu. That's what your saying. It's just pathetic.

4) You got blown to bits, the damage was to severe to reassemble. Then in the case you wouldn't be blown to bits yes it would compress you as the force of the chakra of the S-rank earth jutsu is so strong it will compress your chakra that is supporting your diamond armour.

And why would it be impossible to use elemental jutsus while using "Assimilate All Creation Technique"? How do guys use inner sonar skill and use jutsus at same time.Although assimilate all creation technique requires usage of chakra over whole body, sonar skill requires rather precise chakra control (I mean, do you even understand what it means to hear bouncing sound that occurs due to your breathing?). Why don't we just go in the past and consider all battles where it was used null?
I clearly said that based on the anime it's impossible to decide whether it's possible or not to utilize other elemental jutsu's, but it's likely that it would not be possible. Either way it doesn't matter, that's another discussion, you're still dead.


The thing that I definitely know is that they went over the edge in that filler with that jutsu (although guy was wounded by chidori there is no visible damage on his body once kakashi pulls it out meaning that lack of chakra was probably a reason why he was defeated and believe me, I've got plenty of it) and I intended to overuse it to gain more power until it gets banned from RP.
Invalid argument and probably the most desparate attempt you made so far -and that says something as nearly everything you've said so far can't even be considered arguments-.

1)They didn't went over the edge, it's anime and the quality isn't always the best and I'm talking about the actual making or are you going to tell me Pein truly can make such faces as the one he showed in the anime? You're the one who's going over the edge, you're giving a C-rank jutsu that's not really so special a status of being unbeatable.

2) "lack of chakra"...wth you're just making assumptions without any kind of support, that's a wild guess and an extreme horrible one too. Did he look exhausted, a sign of having not much chakra left? No, on top of that he was a lvl headed person with confidence in his skill, so not the type that's going to throw out all of his chakra at once. He didn't look exhausted in the least and he was still using a jutsu above all when he got hit. If he didn't had much chakra left, he wouldn't be using a jutsu.

3) Who cares how much you have, it's irrelevant as it was not the reason, the Chidori was just stronger.

4) It's not really a strong jutsu, it's a C-rank ninjutsu -_- it's never going to be banned, however the way you are using is forbidden as it's against the rules of both NB as the Narutoverse. Apparantly those don't apply to you.

1. Yes it is the most fundamental rule of RP battling but you can't bypass laws of nature either. You are actually telling me that some S-ranked earth jutsu has hardness of diamond when it is going to destroy C-ranked diamond jutsu and when some A-ranked lightning jutsu attacks the same earth jutsu it gets completely destroyed. You are actually telling me that S-rank water jutsu can destroy C-ranked diamond jutsu even though diamond is hardest element on earth and when the same water jutsu encounters A-ranked earth jutsu it can't destroy it although it could destroy world's hardest element? And pls tell me, where do you get that info about this jutsu? I mean, there is NOTHING mentioned about element taken through this jutsu to be some weak-ass copy. btw. If you have read my previous VM - LoK hasn't even used that earth jutsus in first place...
1) So the laws of nature are higher than the RP Battle Rules and the Narutoverse rules? You just wrote yourself into a deadlock, you contradicted yourself and as a result you lost all credibility completely. Following the laws of nature it would be impossible for you to even move, so you yourself are ignoring the laws of nature where you keep on nagging about. The law of nature have a certain value, however those of the Narutoverse and the RP rules are way higher. Laws of nature are only applied when all else failed as there is no better alternative, which is not the case here. This is just like throwing peanuts at a monkey. I hit him 10 times right between the eyes and then he picks one of the peanuts up, aims for me, misses me completely by 10 meters and he thinks he has accomplished something.

2) Yes an S-rank offensive water jutsu will always beat a C-rank defensive diamond jutsu in confrontation with each other. Saying the opposite is breaking the RP rules. Tell me even the makers of the diamond CE would never say such crap, so where do you get the right from to say it does while yours is just a mimicry of lesser quality. Do you deem yoursel so high that you're above the RP rules who only apply to us, simple RP commoners? A C-rank earth would also succumb to

2. He didn't avoid his attack because he was surprised by Kakashi's knowing of his hiding place and because he was using some idiotic jutsu which made him look like the stone :)confused:) making him unable to move.
I knew it I knew it, I just knew you would say that, wich means you are truly desparate. So he can avoid in a split second an exploding tag on his back, where he also was surprised, but he can't avoid Kakashi who first needs to break through the Dessert Coffin, then run straight to him and the stab him, which all goes what 5 till 10 times slower than the moment he noticed the exploding tag and when it exploded instantly after that?

@SY - I said probably because even Caliburn CANNOT know the reason why he got defeated by chidori. It would be idiotic to say that it is confirmed when I don't have any evidences of it (and neither does he have of his theory.) Also - it is not earth chakra that is used to use that jutsu...
EDIT: you do understand that only edges can be easily chipped, right?
And that comes from the guy who just said that it was because he was surprised, how can you know it then? It's called comon sense + you need to have knowledge about the Narutoverse, both things you lack immensly. If that jutsu would have worked against Chidori, he would have used it in that instant, he had enough time. Also why would he hide in the first place if it was such an unbeatable jutsu? Why does Chidori work and exploding tag not? Chidori is just way stronger, that's the basic of ninjutsu and he was pretty much using earth jutsu's, which is weak against lightning. Narutopedia even stated he was Earth Natured. I have my doubts about that, however he comes pretty close. Ninjutsu is a battle of chakra vs chakra, stronger jutsu's require more chakra, which is the reason they can overpower jutsu's with less chakra. No matter the ninjutsu, chakra is always used.

How can you even call this arguing when you don't read any of my posts. I have nothing against you and, although you annoyed me quite a bit by ignoring me, I still read all your posts carefully. Please do the same with my posts.
Because I was right, why bothering reading posts that are trying to say that I'm wrong while it's a solid fact I'm right? Those are by their very nature utter crap posts not worth reading as they're wrong and guess what, I was right. I predicted before reading them that you wouldn't be able to give even a single valid argument, that it would be a waste of my time, I even predicted that you would say that he was suprised, I was completely right. Reading your posts was a complete waste of my time, your arguments are utter crap and just horrible.

You lost, you died of Water Explosion and you would have died from the Earth Implosion. You broke the battle rules and the Narutoverse rules. This is the end of the discussion and that's final.
 
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