Chakra Fuss

HyuugaHeir

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This is kind of long so, I think I should state my point before going to the details....
Everyone already had chakra even before Kaguya had eaten the fruit. Everyone even the summonings.


As Madara has stated, "Originally, chakra belongs to this God Tree"
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Then Kaguya ate the its fruit. She was the first to use chakra, then Hagoromo/Rikudou.
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So how can every Shinobi have chakra? That makes everyone a descendant of Hagoromo, otherwise Kaguya.
Hypothetically:
1. Kaguya, alone eating the fruit, bore Hagoromo. This is with no mortal father. (Juubi + Kaguya = Hagoromo)
2. Kaguya, with chakra already, married, had husbands, had kids, gaining their mother's chakra.
3. Hagoromo, having a wife, had two sons. These two sons came to be the ancestors of Uchiha and Senju.
4. Hagoromo, created his sons.

Kaguya's bloodline (with normal people) will be the ones with the weaker type of ckakra compared to those who are in her bloodline with the Juubi/fruit(Hagoromo's bloodline). Hagoromo has been known to be the Ancestor of Shinobi.

But didn't Hagoromo first unveiled the secrets of ninjutsu and taught it to everyone???
By that time, how many people with chakra could have existed???
Taught, does it mean taught them how to use chakra, or how to awaken it??
Could it be that everyone already had chakra, even before Kaguya had eaten the fruit??
Hagoromo just taught them how to utilise it.

Explanation: When Kaguya ate the fruit, she didn't necessarily gained "chakra." What she gained could have been consciousness, awareness that she has chakra. This event is in reference with the Christian Bible, where Adam and Eve became conscious and had malice when they ate the fruit.

For argument's sake, let's say that Hagoromo and Kaguya had chakra-seeing eyes. (perhaps activated also when Kaguya ate the fruit....). These eyes watered down thru Kaguya's clansmen-and became the Byakugan. Now Hagoromo's eyes mutated into Rinnegan, due to the Juubi. Then the rest of this story continues to his sons and their descendants.

Now, if everyone already had chakra in their bodies without them knowing it, Hagoromo could have simply taught them how to awaken and use it. Them, as in everyone pre-existing outside Kaguya's "clan."

All of these contradicts Madara's statement before that Originally, chakra belongs to this God Tree.
Could Madara mean that chakra has been known because of the God Tree?? If it really is from the God Tree alone, then everyone who have chakra logically bred within Kaguya's bloodline alone. Then what about the summoning animals and other creatures? Don't they have chakra? From where did their chakra come from??

Then again, this is nothing but a mere theory, so chill.
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Its clearly stated dat Rikudo taught Ninjutsu to the people though it dosent contradict the fact dat they already had chakra reserves within them :| Its soo confusing :noes:
 

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Yes he taught the secrets of ninjutsu..
Secrets - chakra
He may have taught them how to use chakra, that is already there.
 

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He taught dem ninjutsu ( how to perform it) Remember the chakra molding and d otha shit dat jiraiya taught naruto while Rasengan training. Maybe dats the same thing rikudo did. But Rikudo CREATED ninjutsu. And dat wat confuses me..
 

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Rikudou created ninjutsu.
Another interpretation is that he established the secrets of ninjutsu/chakra and created a ninja system after he taught everyone how to use chakra to perform ninjutsu.
 

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Well dats plausible. but . Wat abt Senjutsu . Genjutsu . Taijutsu. How did they come into existence hmm
 

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I'd actually like the idea of Kaguya having the byakugan. But I still doubt it.
 

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Or hagoromo gave them chakra just like naruto share kurama's chakra with others .
Good theory .
 

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Or hagoromo gave them chakra just like naruto share kurama's chakra with others .
Good theory .

I doubt that would give them the chakra circulatory system.
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When that chapter released, I believed that Kaguya got a huge amount of chakra through the fruit plus awakened her own chakra. And hence Hagoromo got the fruit's chakra plus his own chakra activated from birth. And then he taught others how to awaken their own chakra. And this way, the chakra and shinobis came into existence.

So, I agree with you.

From the Explanation part, you said that she gained consciousness and awareness about her chakra. Possible but still half truth. She gained consciousness about her own chakra plus she gained a huge amount of chakra and that's why she was hurled as the goddess. She was worshiped because she didn't have ninjutsu instead a huge amount of chakra.
Hagoromo was the one who created ninjutsu because of his rinnegan eyes and its techniques plus he was sage.

When I tried to explain all this when that chapter was released, people asked for manga proof without giving it a thought.
Glad you made a thread :win:
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Lee cant use chakra. I would think most civilians cant either. Looks like ability to mold chakra is sort of KKG that sage's descndants have. All those who can mold chakra are related to rikudou imho.
 

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When that chapter released, I believed that Kaguya got a huge amount of chakra through the fruit plus awakened her own chakra. And hence Hagoromo got the fruit's chakra plus his own chakra activated from birth. And then he taught others how to awaken their own chakra. And this way, the chakra and shinobis came into existence.

So, I agree with you.

From the Explanation part, you said that she gained consciousness and awareness about her chakra. Possible but still half truth. She gained consciousness about her own chakra plus she gained a huge amount of chakra and that's why she was hurled as the goddess. She was worshiped because she didn't have ninjutsu instead a huge amount of chakra.
Hagoromo was the one who created ninjutsu because of his rinnegan eyes and its techniques plus he was sage.

When I tried to explain all this when that chapter was released, people asked for manga proof without giving it a thought.
Glad you made a thread :win:
+ rep given =D

Thanks..
I also agree with Kaguya having a chakra boost, large amount of it, from the Juubi.

Lee cant use chakra. I would think most civilians cant either. Looks like ability to mold chakra is sort of KKG that sage's descndants have. All those who can mold chakra are related to rikudou imho.

I think everyone has chakra. But there are some who just cant utilise it.
People who has the ability to awaken their chakra are sent into the Academy to train to be ninjas. As for Lee, it is still debatable.
 
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