Chakra Enhanced strngth VS Vaccum Palm
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Chakra Enhanced strength take this match
Its more destructive overall compare to Vacuum palm.
Its more destructive overall compare to Vacuum palm.
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True enough, but Air Palm has the same properties as Gentle Fist, so it may be stronger individually, but it will not overcome it.
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Okay, what difference would that make if it was used from a distance? Kisame felt nothing after getting hit by Vaccum palm:
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Nothing happened to his internal chakra networks, nor was anything disturbed.
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Further distance would mean lower attack power, obviously.
The exclamation mark does seem to indicate he did feel something, that obviously being pain.
I've never said Air Palm could disturb the Chakra network or affect it in any way, as that is something only the 64 palms and TLF can do. Air Palm can, however, damage organs and destroy/blast away chakra. That is all I'm saying.
I don't think so. Look at where Hiashi is when he uses Vaccum wall - two vaccum palms basically:
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It made no difference to its power, when the distance is comfortably more than ten times for the Juubi's hand. You will have to bring out proof, otherwise, this is speculation. His body blow barely managed to inundate Kisame's water clone prison, when I already presented the math before.
The exclamation mark doesn't mean pain. He was surprised, as he had no clue why he got thrown back.
It can and it should, given that it's not much different that Gentle Fist. The only difference being it's a single strike of chakra by pin-pointing one area, when gentle fist is multiple strikes.
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The Juubi's hand was on the ground before hand, rushing towards him, and then Hiashi pushed it up into the sky.
Yep, I guess so. But still, he still should have received internal damage from the attack. Although the severity of the damage depends on how much chakra is used, of course.
Yeah, that's what I'm getting at, which is why I believe it could nullify and/or counter CES.
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Jyuken was able to turn kido's super sticky chakra webs along with the inescapable water prison into ntn , why is it that a sniped shot of this same jyuken would fail to "invade" sakura's fist and "destroy" the chakra for CES? .
The timing it would take for sakura/tsunade to time their punch before air palm slaps them is also ridiculous , not to mention the chakra should still find its way around their fist unless the punch would create some kind of shield to protect them from the blast lol..
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Bro i would agree with u but how can u tell he felt ntn? , are u forgeting that he's a clone which has no need to show any exclamation of pain , remember what happend when itachi's clone recieved a odama rasengan to the chest ? .. he "smiled" no exclamation of pain showed , the real itachi would not be so relaxed , same as kisame with morning peacock.
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What I know is this thread is about Vacuum Palm vs CES
Vacuum Palm didn't involved in blocking a chakra pathway like Gentle fist, its actually a force of air targeting toward opponent body without Chakra blocking technique.
Its Raw attack vs Raw attack
This match is basically a fight between Hulk type punch and very dense air blower.
Vacuum Palm is focusing on attacking vital organ that Byakugan see.
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
This technique is similar in practice to Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven, but has a specific target rather than a general area. To perform it, the user precisely pinpoints the enemy's vital points with the Byakugan and releases a high-speed palm thrust. A "vacuum shell" compressed using the Gentle Fist is formed to attack the opponent's vitals from a distance, blowing them off their feet with tremendous force before they even notice they were hit..
And I'm quite sure full Byakugou chakra enhance punch from Sakura can knock off Air palm force from Neji when they clash.
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Nope, Air Palm is also capable of destroying chakra and blasting it away, which is what sakura's CES uses for the tremendous force behind her punches
Not to mention the diameter of Air palm is many times wider than the diameter of of Sakura's fist, so even if she punched one area and managed to block it [which I don't think she would be able to do so anyways] she would not block all of the attack, and the remaining force would manage to hit her.
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Yes a vacuum shell is compressed with the jyuken chakra which is shot at the enemy , if its similar in practice to rotation only with a target rather than a general area , then air palm should have the abillty to knock chakra away which should null CES or simply destroy it.
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Where in the manga stated that Vacuum palm has chakra blocking technique?
Targeting vital organ is not similar like targeting Chakra point.
Vital organs=Heart, Liver, Kidney, Brain, Lungs
Chakra point=Spiritual Energy path way inside human body.
And Sakura fist is not vital organs and also it conformed that her fist is high in durability to withstand air force attack.
And this match is not about the owner of the techniques but the clashing of the techniques itself, that is mean when Sakura CES punch is hitting Vacuum Palm's air force, it will blow Vacuum Palm attack out.
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The vitals is struct from a distance with chakra , same as standard jyuken from the palm , meaning its sakura's chakra vs jyuken chakra which in canon destroyes chakra.
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- Look at the distance. It's still pretty big. If there had been any damage, he would have shown it. The manga would have shown it. I doubt Neji went easy on him, when he stated that it was insane how much power Kisame had.
That's why I disagree. CES should cleave through it.
So what if he's a clone? It's not a KG, nor does it share any aspects with it. The only difference between this and the actual body is the chakra proportionality. That's it. Otherwise, this clone carries every aspect of the original.
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So i am to believe that real itachi would be relaxed enough to smile when a odama rasengan gets inserted into his chest? Same itachi who moans like a girl when he gets peirced by a shuriken in the leg or gets his hand barely touched by sasuke's fire would smile at a fricken odama rasengan? Rasengan alone makes grown men scream like fodder much less a bigger one.
Kisame i could understand , the guy got his chest blown out by b , yet he smiled but itachi? Could u see sasuke smiling while he gets his chest blown out by rasengan?
The clones never showed any exclamation of pain while geting combo'ed by gai and chest pressed with odama rasengan so why would he need to do so against a quick air palm which was instanly followed up with another attack?
Pain or no pain, the organs or the chakra network should have been affected. VP should have done its job, but it didn't. That's my point. If the manga doesn't show it, you can't tell me it happened. It's hearsay and speculation.
Sasuke let out a mere 'uh' when his frontal organs were completely blown apart by Bee. You yourself gave me the example of Kisame here. So, I guess there is little to debate on this issue.
Pull out the scan after Itachi's clone is destroyed. The conversation between Itachi and Kisame should clear things up for you. Heck, the Databook will make it just as clear.