Chakra Enhanced Strength Isn't Unique to Tsunade, Sakura and Sarada

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

[Sub]In theory Naruto is capable of using CES as he satisfies all prerequisites. If the databook began listing all of the abilities and techniques Naruto can use in theory, we'd be here all day. Not sure what you're reading but this is a fact. [/Sub]​

Exactly. In theory. :lol And this whole thread is opinion-based btw. Which is what I was pointing out with my comment. It's purely based on a personal dissection.

And seemingly some agenda with some of your fervent companions.

[Sub]My comprehension of CES is naught but congruent with the definition set out by Kishimoto.[/Sub]​

What's that definition? Sakura and Tsunade have techniques based around CES and they're referred to as Taijutsu. Naruto has no such Taijutsu technique, or any Taijutsu technique at all as per Databook.

[Sub]Yet again, the verity that he isn't shown using the type of CES Tsunade and Sakura have doesn't eliminate the fact that he is capable of it. I can easily say that BCM is CES, and this argument would be done and over with.[/Sub]​

But then everyone in the Manga is capable of it. Yet only Sakura and Tsunade are able to wield it, and are canonically hailed as the only wielders. :lol

No. BSM is just a Mode, which comes with enhancements of various sorts. It's not CES.

CES is what only Sakura and Tsunade are renowned for. It's plainly twisting up the narrative to suit meager whimsical notions arguing other-wise.

[Sub]That was never exclusively stated so you can drop that nonsense altogether. If I was being petty, I'd have stated that Eight Gates and BCM are a form of CES, and there wouldn't be a need for this argument. But for the sake of it, I've ignored that. Naruto is capable of using the kind of CES Tsunade and Sakura have demonstrated - and since he has a larger chakra pool and unparalleled chakra mastery in comparison, he'd be able to use it to a much more devastating effect. [/Sub]​

And he still doesn't use CES the same way as the aforementioned do.

Like I said: it's CES of your own definition, not the one Kishimoto has explained through character interactions.

[Sub]Don't confuse me with yourself; desultory, beggarly threads is your job, with your latest 'what would Naruto do if Sasuke got Hinata pregnant' attesting to this. What have you achieved here? Your first line of defense was that CES requires arduous training - as if any type of training isn't arduous - and now you attempt to label facts as opinions because you've absolutely nothing to prove the converse. I'm not sure if you haven't realized this already, but you cannot compete with me in terms of post-thread quality, linguistics, and know-how as far as Naruto manga is concerned. You have a hard time disproving anything Hinabae and Lady Byakugan state; I'll simply wipe the floor with you. You can add this to the long list of Ls you've accrued thus far.
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You remember that thread? :lol I forgot it myself, and here I thought no-one paid so much attention to it such that it has been ingrained in their memory up till this point.

I can't really compete, that's half-true since I'm not engrossed in the Manga so much. I just enjoy coming here to discuss with various peeps.

I don't really get your argument tho? You're implying I said no-one else other than the current can't learn CES? In which case, my answer is it is possible. It is possible for Naruto to learn it. But does is it in his character to have CES? Definitely not. This argument is just the same as saying Neji has Fire Style or Water Release cause he meets ALL the prerequisites. You could even argue he could've become a jack-of-all trades like Sasuke if you wanted, and say he was nerfed et cetera, but that's just desultory talk in austerity. Neji just would never learn Ninjutsu, and we knew that from Pt.1. It's the same with Naruto and every other character. You could also argue he could've learned Gates, and argue he had Gates, cause he met all the prerequisites, and Neji actually had more chances of opening gates than Naruto learning CES since he was proficient in Taijutsu while Naruto has nihil interest in Medical Ninjutsu. :lol

As for your companions. Lady Byakugan is a troll --- Imagine someone that says Lee didn't surpass Neji cause in his dream he defeated Naruto and Neji and won over Sakura. And you think I could be able to form any coherent thoughts when it descends to such amount of BS.

Anyway, I see you're approaching irritating levels now. I thought I could like you regardless of your conspicuous bigotry but it seems you're even more conceited than I initially judged.

I expect this will be fascinating. Do post more BS, and since I've answered extensively here, I'll simply pass to another comment considering you didn't give much here other than ''Naruto is capable''. :bdpf:

 

[Warlocks]

Hinata-base just keeps getting better and better.

Now I gotta listen to this guy reminisce over my past threads above having read lame-ass retorts. :kk:

Argument #1 - Naruto has CES

Argument #2 - Naruto is capable of CES

Seems Hinata-based is stacked up with nothing but morons.

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not Argument its fact

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here naruto using CES :lol
if this naruto can do CES than CES = basic jutsu

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[Imp]

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Wew lad. The mental gymnastics some of these halfwits exercise to circumvent basic facts. I'll keep it extra simple for you since you haven't the slightest clue as to what this thread is about.[/Sub]​

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[Sub]This thread argues that CES is not unique to Tsunade, Sakura, and Sarada because of the simple fact that others like Naruto can use it, as they have the skill set and means to. They are the only ones shown using it, yes, but it is not unique to them. Sasuke's Amenotejikara is unusable by any other characters due to a lack of skill set, thus it is unique to him. Naruto's Tailed Beast Bomb Rasenshuriken is unusable by other characters due to a lack of skill set, thus it is unique to him. Other characters besides Tsunade, Sakura, and Sarada can use/learn to use CES, thus it is not unique to them. Try to read the title and OP before rushing in with your uneducated opinions. Hence my original argument was that there is nothing unique about Sakura, as her repertoire is a well-nigh carbon-copy of Tsunade's, and her personality is commonplace.

That being said, Naruto has already shown CES. Your understanding of CES is irrelevant as this manga scan shows him to use chakra alone to enhance his strength - which is what CES essentially is at its crux.

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Credits to Warlock for saving me the time to find it.[/Sub]​

You remember that thread? :lol I forgot it myself, and here I thought no-one paid so much attention to it such that it has been ingrained in their memory up till this point.

[Sub]It's quite hard to forget retarded threads posted by equally retarded members.[/Sub]​

I can't really compete, that's half-true since I'm not engrossed in the Manga so much. I just enjoy coming here to discuss with various peeps.

[Sub]With this being your (at least) second account, and having made 4,500 in the space of 5 months, it's quite apparent that you're heavily invested in the manga and NB - more so than I. No; you cannot compete with me because you do not have the intellectual resources - and this thread is one of the many proofs of that.[/Sub]​

As for your companions. Lady Byakugan is a troll --- Imagine someone that says Lee didn't surpass Neji cause in his dream he defeated Naruto and Neji and won over Sakura. And you think I could be able to form any coherent thoughts when it descends to such amount of BS.

[Sub]Lady Byakugan and Hinabae are not my companions; I periodically call them out on their bullshit as well.[/Sub]​

Anyway, I see you're approaching irritating levels now. I thought I could like you regardless of your conspicuous bigotry but it seems you're even more conceited than I initially judged.

[Sub]No idea why you thought you could like me when I stand for the opposite of everything you are - and none of which entail bigotry or conceitedness, or any of the other colourful words you find in your thesaurus to congest your already congested, sesquipedalian replies.[/Sub]​

If I was you I would stop arguing with this disgusting piece of human, he is well know for harassing girls ( backstory of pedo ) and as you can see create some weird threads.

[Sub]I'm congizant of that - I wasn't going to castigate him on his past mendacities, but now you've mentioned it why not? Homeboy reminds of the predatory VMs UnknownJin aka Furious|Angel sends to anyone expressing the female gender sign. This is just one example

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. As far as perverted, predatory messages goes, they really are the Uchiha brothers. :lol[/Sub]​

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

not Argument its fact

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here naruto using CES :lol
if this naruto can do CES than CES = basic jutsu

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Did he actually lift it? Post the next scan please.

I can't argue if I don't have the full picture, if you get what I mean.

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Wew lad. The mental gymnastics some of these halfwits exercise to circumvent basic facts. I'll keep it extra simple for you since you haven't the slightest clue as to what this thread is about.[/Sub]​

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Verbosity at its finest. So much for conceited.

[Sub]This thread argues that CES is not unique to Tsunade, Sakura, and Sarada because of the simple fact that others like Naruto can use it, as they have the skill set and means to. They are the only ones shown using it, yes, but it is not unique to them. Sasuke's Amenotejikara is unusable by any other characters due to a lack of skill set, thus it is unique to him. Naruto's Tailed Beast Bomb Rasenshuriken is unusable by other characters due to a lack of skill set, thus it is unique to him. Other characters besides Tsunade, Sakura, and Sarada can use/learn to use CES, thus it is not unique to them. Try to read the title and OP before rushing in with your uneducated opinions. Hence my original argument was that there is nothing unique about Sakura, as her repertoire is a well-nigh carbon-copy of Tsunade's, and her personality is commonplace.[/Sub]​

Is that it? My stance was/is simple: Sakura, Tsunade and Sarada are the only ones with CES, canonically and currently. I don't care for capabilities. Whether Naruto is capable or not, and my response was to the comments I had to maneuver through to this gruesome point, sordidly.

I get your argument clearly, and I agree: Naruto currently possess the mental capacity to grasp the studies of Medical Ninjutsu and application henceforth that which comes into its use. Albeit, I don't count on him having it in the future, hence the conspicuous futility of this thread. But I digress.

Wait, so your entire argument is based around your contemptuous notion towards Sakura's simplistic repertoire. I get that Naruto is versatile, but you forget it composes merely of variants of Rasengan's. His arsenal is not that complex in comparison to Sasuke's, and IMO, I find it quite mundane. But that argument isn't why I'm even bothering.

Nonetheless, I wasn't targeting you with what I said. I just happened to be irked a little by some of these posts I saw here. Other-wise, your thread is ineffectual to my personal admiration for aforesaid character. :lol

[Sub]That being said, Naruto has already shown CES. Your understanding of CES is irrelevant as this manga scan shows him to use chakra alone to enhance his strength - which is what CES essentially is at its crux.
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Like I said to Warlock, I need the full picture. I didn't commence the Manga from that point, so I have no recall or what-so-ever of that ever occurring, and I'll stand corrected if it appears so. But regardless, it will not be the prominent and most renowned CES in application. The one Jiraiya has referred to in the early parts of the story. Which leads us back to my preliminary point: the CES in terms of the context of the Manga is the one that's recognized as a Taijutsu in effect, not the one Naruto or other various character have been shown to use. Case in point: Toneri. Whose chakra mode drastically enhanced his own strength at awakening his Tenseigan power. I think I needn't go further or deeper into this aspect as it's crystal clear.

[Sub]It's quite hard to forget retarded threads posted by equally retarded members.[/Sub]​

Seems you got a mission here. Unimpressive for someone who seems to make a job out of talking down on others. I know you can do better.

[Sub]With this being your (at least) second account, and having made 4,500 in the space of 5 months, it's quite apparent that you're heavily invested in the manga and NB - more so than I. No; you cannot compete with me because you do not have the intellectual resources - and this thread is one of the many proofs of that.[/Sub]​

:lol

[Sub]Lady Byakugan and Hinabae are not my companions; I periodically call them out on their bullshit as well.[/Sub]​

Okay, I believe you. :lol

[Sub]No idea why you thought you could like me when I stand for the opposite of everything you are - and none of which entail bigotry or conceitedness, or any of the other colourful words you find in your thesaurus to congest your already congested, sesquipedalian replies.[/Sub]​

Seems you know me quite well.

I don't even consult the dictionary anymore. It's become a foray. Only used to check up a word someone used I may never have encountered and luckily, I don't often encounter words here I've never seen before and when context is always in my favor, there's that pros.

And I do what is called 'reading'. That's how everyone acquires knowledge or becomes erudite in this ceaselessly falling society. :lol



Finally, I got to the last concoction of sadly sophisticated BS. I can't imagine how someone can augment bs so much, it's not even funny anymore. I'm really astounded by your proficiency. Truly indisputable.

I expect now you will, as any enraged argumentative, fictitious character on the internet, come at full force.

Hopefully, I won't get any notification of more pompous, convoluted opinions.

I'm done now, officially. I think I entertained your fervor quite copiously.

I will now peacefully let myself out of your territory. It's now fully yours to reign in with your sycophants cubs. uttahere:

 

[AmitDS]

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Sakura lifting a boulder which pinned Chiyo down----> an example of her lifting a heavy object in canon.

Also what kind of mental gymnastics would allow one to believe that war arc Sakura is probably stronger than kid Tsunade? It's called authorial intent. Furthermore her strength feat trump Tsunade's.

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As for surpassing Tsunade:

It was foreshadowed that she would:

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Databook 2, Page 131:

“ As Tsunade’s student, she develops a new ability called medical jutsu. In the battle field she was unnoticeable, but she is endlessly heading towards becoming the greatest of female ninja.”

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"Databook 2, Page 132:
“What moves Sakura is her strong belief in becoming the greatest of female ninjas. She suppresses her fear which is about to explode and fights. Is this not true courage?”

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She has more chakra to use as she has a full seal unlike her master:

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She's also stated to be the best medic in the village after learning from Shizune and Tsunade in databook 4.

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[Imp]

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[Sub]In short:

> Agrees with my initial point. Took long enough.
> Admits to going astray by unnecessarily debating that Naruto cannot use CES when there are scans that prove otherwise.
> Repeatedly uses words such as foray in the wrong context, and congests his sentences by needlessly interposing sesquipedalian words. E.g. 'sadly sophisticated BS'

You do realize that you've literally achieved nothing in this thread, aside from making a fool of yourself? You have not proven a single one of my points incorrect in the midst of extensive ramblings. [/Sub]​

I will now peacefully let myself out of your territory. It's now fully yours to reign in with your sycophants cubs. uttahere:

[Sub]What's the matter? I was only starting to enjoy this shit-show. Oh well. Don't let me catch you VMing sexually charged messages to 13 year-olds again.

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[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

[Sub]In short:

> Agrees with my initial point. Took long enough.
> Admits to going astray by unnecessarily debating that Naruto cannot use CES when there are scans that prove otherwise.
> Repeatedly uses words such as foray in the wrong context, and congests his sentences by needlessly interposing sesquipedalian words. E.g. 'sadly sophisticated BS'

You do realize that you've literally achieved nothing in this thread, aside from making a fool of yourself? You have not proven a single one of my points incorrect in the midst of extensive ramblings. [/Sub]​

[Sub]What's the matter? I was only starting to enjoy this shit-show. Oh well. Don't let me catch you VMing sexually charged messages to 13 year-olds again.

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Ah, sweet, thank you Grammar Police. I got all the advice I needed. I thought the whole point of the argument in the first place was in regards to Naruto not having CES while you continually launched insolent insults while maintaining a fictitious nonchalant demeanor even though you were clearly rustled. But okay, continue on. I see your forte in arguments --- which is as I guessed. Just throwing shade.


Point stands: Sakura, Tsunade and Sarada are the only CES users. All other characters use random means of enhancing their strength and it's not the same.

If you still can't grasp something so simple, ah well. Not a prob. I have the luxury of time to solve.

And I had no intention of convincing anyone to begin with so I don't see why you act like I started this when you're the one who quoted me here.

Anyway, goodbye now. :bye:

 

[FemmeFatale]

Please Sakuras punch that didn't have any effort put into it rivals shines tensi with effort

 

[Umari Senju]

Yeah we know this, anyone with good chakra control can do it if they wanted to... Heck I wouldn't be shocked if Sasuke or Kakashi can too but just don't.

A bunch of people can do a bunch of certain moves it is just that Kishi focused those characters on their certain power traits or clan customs instead of expanding them in character.

What Sakura has is her byakugou and her medical skills. Also Katsuyu.

Madara wasn't impressed about CES but rather Tsunade's byakugou being similar to Hashi's self healing.

This. No one really was super impressed about CES, just caught unawares whenever she displayed it. A comment or two about what insane strength she has was about the extent of it, but no pulling me really backed off whenever it was displayed I agree.

 

[Chikombo]

How come they are the only ones using it then? Like it must take some kind of skill right?

 

[Made in Heaven]

How come they are the only ones using it then? Like it must take some kind of skill right?

They're not.

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[salamander uchiha]

They're not.

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Did he lift it?

 

[Chikombo]

Did he lift it?

Isn't that thanks to SM and not ces? Still though he is one person it doesn't make a whole lot of different, that makes like 4 total.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Isn't that thanks to SM and not ces? Still though he is one person it doesn't make a whole lot of different, that makes like 4 total.

wasnt in SM tho.


Funny enough the greatest lifting feat belongs to this here old ass toad

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[salamander uchiha]

Isn't that thanks to SM and not ces? Still though he is one person it doesn't make a whole lot of different, that makes like 4 total.

But he didn't lift the statue he only did after sagemode. That's not CES that NEES

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But he didn't lift the statue he only did after sagemode. That's not CES that NEES

The fact that he was using chakra to enhance his strength means its chakra enhanced strength. Its pretty self explanatory. Him failing doesn't change that fact.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The fact that he was using chakra to enhance his strength means its chakra enhanced strength. Its pretty self explanatory. Him failing doesn't change that fact.

He was using chakra to try and lift it yes in that aspect it was an attempt to use CES. The fact that he can't use it as others can't it's not of the same type used by Sakura and Tsunade.

 

[KidGamer65]

People on this site will literally find a reason to argue about everything. It shouldn't take 6 pages of walls for all parties to realize that the only difference between what Sakura/Tsunade do and what people like Naruto and Lee have done is that Sakura and Tsunade do it at a much higher level which is why while Naruto is lifting giant boulders and Lee is ripping trees out of the ground, Tsunade is swinging around giant Bijuu sized blades around with ease and Sakura is creating humongous craters with a single punch.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

People on this site will literally find a reason to argue about everything. It shouldn't take 6 pages of walls for all parties to realize that the only difference between what Sakura/Tsunade do and what people like Naruto and Lee have done is that Sakura and Tsunade do it at a much higher level which is why while Naruto is lifting giant boulders and Lee is ripping trees out of the ground, Tsunade is swinging around giant Bijuu sized blades around with ease and Sakura is creating humongous craters with a single punch.

naruto did a crazier feat though

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[MightGai]

To be fair, nothing in Naruto is unique, even the Rinnegan got "copied".