[Discussion] Cavendish? spoilers!

[sleepinsleuth]

y does he have to be sleeping? from what it sounds the sleeping is what signifies hakuba coming out. but thats not how it works for people in real life. they just switch without being any the wiser.

 

[Reaper]

Maybe cause it can only come out when Cavendish's body does not resist (Basicly when sleeping) since Cavendish himself probably does not know how to summon Hakuba himself

 

[Caliburn]

I'm not really sure what the point is of this thread. It's a manga, not real life and giving characters weird habits is one of Oda's pet peeves. Luffy can eat while sleeping, Zoro gets lost even on a straight road, Chopper insults people who compliment him while blushing, Baby 5 thinks she is needed every time someone asks something of her and that list goes on and on.

So what's your point now exactly?

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Please don't compare One Piece to real life ffs.

OT: I was under the impression when Hakuba wants to come out he forces Cavendish asleep. Just seemed convenient that he fell asleep during block d.

 

[sleepinsleuth]

my god. you people have made me rack my brains because you couldn't grasp the simple point. do ships float in this magna? do blades cut? if there is a new form of multi personality disorder that Oda came up with, it is obviously derived from the 'real life' syndrome. and im not saying he can't do that. it makes the story. im saying that if hakuba can take over at any time; be it that with the 'real life syndrome' people don't need to fall asleep in order to have no recollection, its entirely unnecessary.

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[Caliburn]

and those are obviously there for their humor. or have i been mistaken all this time, looking at all the head slaps and the shocked emphasized stating of the obvious (those traits)? and these traits didn't cause any weird situational abnormality that allowed those characters to be taken advantage of. as we seen with cavendish almost getting skewed. not to mention it was pointed out to be an integral part of the sub plot, by bastille. or maybe you think Oda set up that dark ominous 'wind slasher' story, just to lighten up this mostly unknown character.



so then what; oda created a new unnecessary form of multiple personality syndrome? simpl

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Oda has been given during the entire tournament thing background info on quite a few characters. On top of that considering he wanted Rebecca to win, he needed to do something as he also made it so that she doesn't want to use force to win.

And I find transforming into a toothless, black-mouthed, pupil-less with a huge greek-tragedy-evil-mask-grin-on-face psychopath when falling randomly asleep quite funny indeed, especially when the image is given of a nose bubble bursting. A bit of a macaber-type of fun, but funny nonetheless. If that ability was that important, Oda could have given any number of ways how he unleashes it, he decided to go for randomly falling asleep. He could have easily said it happens when Cavendish makes a pony tail or when he get a runny nose. As I said stuff like this is something Oda does all the time, giving characters pet peeves is one of Oda's pet peeves.

So now I still don't understand what the point of your thread now exactly is supposed to be?

 

[sleepinsleuth]

Oda has been given during the entire tournament thing background info on quite a few characters. On top of that considering he wanted Rebecca to win, he needed to do something as he also made it so that she doesn't want to use force to win.

And I find transforming into a toothless, black-mouthed, pupil-less with a huge greek-tragedy-evil-mask-grin-on-face psychopath when falling randomly asleep quite funny indeed, especially when the image is given of a nose bubble bursting. A bit of a macaber-type of fun, but funny nonetheless. If that ability was that important, Oda could have given any number of ways how he unleashes it, he decided to go for randomly falling asleep. He could have easily said it happens when Cavendish makes a pony tail or when he get a runny nose. As I said stuff like this is something Oda does all the time, giving characters pet peeves is one of Oda's pet peeves.

So now I still don't understand what the point of your thread now exactly is supposed to be?

Then obviously, you didn't pick up on the change in mood, from cavendish falling asleep to hakuba appearing. and hakuba didn't have the nose bubble; cavendish did. by the way nose bubble poping==== MOOD CHANGE. notice the fodder wetting himself?

If that ability was that important, Oda could have given any number of ways how he unleashes it, he decided to go for randomly falling asleep. He could have easily said it happens when Cavendish makes a pony tail or when he get a runny nose.

Or my point. he could of just made the switch with nothing happening. LIKE THE ACTUAL SYNDROME. but you know if it wasn't that important.

AND A PET PEEVE ISN'T MUCH OF A PET PEEVE IF IT CAN BE AVERTED WITH SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS SMELLING SALTS, COFFEE, A SLAP! at least when it could have such an important tie in. also im starting to think you don't know what a pet peeve is. Coindition= Cavendish. Pet peeve= ANYONE REFERRING TO BUGGY'S RED NOSE.

 

[Caliburn]

Then obviously, you didn't pick up on the change in mood, from cavendish falling asleep to hakuba appearing. and hakuba didn't have the nose bubble; cavendish did. by the way nose bubble poping==== MOOD CHANGE. notice the fodder wetting himself?

Edit: AND A PET PEEVE ISN'T MUCH OF A PET PEEVE IF IT CAN BE AVERTED WITH SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS SMELLING SALTS, COFFEE, A SLAP! also im starting to think you don't know what a pet peeve is. Coindition= Cavendish. Pet peeve= ANYONE REFERRING TO BUGGY'S RED NOSE.

In the case you didn't know it yet: Hakuba and Cavendish are the same person if you are so desperate to go that way unless he is being possessed by another being. And it's the mood change I find so funny: first the prince on the white horse falls asleep, gets a nose bubble and poof a psychopath is born who cuts everyone up and then falls asleep again like nothing happened. I don't really get why you start talking about mood changes.

I might not use the term pet peeve correctly, but you aren't very clear on it either. Cavendish condition is having a split personality and it only appears apparently when he falls asleep, which he seemingly does randomly. To me a pet peeve are unique quirks people have that might annoy people. So I can consider the falling asleep a pet peeve and with extension even him having a double personality.

And for the third time you still have not said what is now supposed to be the point of this thread? As for someone who is nitpicking on what a pet peeve is, you seemingly don't get that this is a manga where nothing has to make absolute sense and you love dancing around the bush.

 

[sleepinsleuth]

In the case you didn't know it yet: Hakuba and Cavendish are the same person if you are so desperate to go that way unless he is being possessed by another being. And it's the mood change I find so funny: first the prince on the white horse falls asleep, gets a nose bubble and poof a psychopath is born who cuts everyone up and then falls asleep again like nothing happened. I don't really get why you start talking about mood changes.

I might not use the term pet peeve correctly, but you aren't very clear on it either. Cavendish condition is having a split personality and it only appears apparently when he falls asleep, which he seemingly does randomly. To me a pet peeve are unique quirks people have that might annoy people. So I can consider the falling asleep a pet peeve and with extension even him having a double personality.

And for the third time you still have not said what is now supposed to be the point of this thread? As for someone who is nitpicking on what a pet peeve is, you seemingly don't get that this is a manga where nothing has to make absolute sense and you love dancing around the bush.

and you dont seem to get that that instance had more to do with the story; falling asleep and all, then what you or anyone else finds funny. a condition is not a quirk. the dos equis guy doesn't contract asthma every weekend. and if you get annoyed by someones condition, it means you're intolerant.

keep guess'in mouth breather.

 

[Caliburn]

and you dont seem to get that that instance had more to do with the story; falling asleep and all, then what you or anyone else finds funny. a condition is not a quirk. the dos equis guy doesn't contract asthma every weekend. and if you get annoyed by someones condition, it means you're intolerant.

keep guess'in mouth breather.

No one who has a rational mind will get what you are trying to say as such persons realize that this is not real life, but a manga. In real life a condition is not a quirk. This is not real life, this is a manga where pretty much everything can. It seems you have extreme difficulty to understand the difference between reality and fantasy. As it stands now there wasn't any reason for giving Cavendish a split personality, he could have easily made it so that he was able to do that with a normal personality but that the still somehow lost by tripping and falling out of the ring or whatever, but Oda decided to approach it in his usual style. There doesn't have to be any kind of specific reason as why Oda made Cavendish like nor why he mentioned his history and you seem to not get that. That's how Oda creates depth to both his characters as the story.

If we would follow your logic apparently having a split personality is a 'disorder', a 'condition'. However not being able to say 'no' and having the urge to flame people who compliment you are 'traits' for humor. In real life these things can be easily considered likewise conditions or disorders and I even think some of these things are officially acknowledged as such with a fancy scientific name to go with it. But no you subjectively decide that that is just for humor, but that other one is a condition. Then you are being far more intolerant then I am as at least I don't see any of these things in the series as 'conditions', implying that they somehow have an incurable abnormality, that they have some kind of disease or illness. To me these are things that make their characters unique, it gives them more depth, to me Cavendish just became bloody awesome, but to you he is mentally ill. At least I approach it positively.

Whatever the case is for people with split personalities in real life, that has no direct relation to how Oda portraits people who have something similar in the manga and you seem to not be able to understand that.

 

[Love Cook]

Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere, but Cavendish has been seen transforming in a londonish style city. In London there is a Cavendish square which is the scene of the famous Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde story.

So it's safe to say that Oda is going for the sudden transformation and that the sleep is just a device, he might as well take a potion, pill or hammer to reach that state. You shouldn't look to much into it.

He is just like Capt. Kuro who got himself into a trance to transform into a superior version of himself. Downside was that he didn't knew what he was doing.