[Discussion] Cavendish(no Hakuba) vs Gladius

[Uzumaki Macho]

He showed better feats such as fending off Chinjao's attacks and the other feats I listed in other thread where we discussed this Cavendish vs Gladius debate. Did you change the title of the thread? O_O Or... you could of created two different scenarios? All Gladius has over Cavendish is destructive feats. really. Cavendish outclasses him in speed & physical strength & reaction speed.

That was a Chinjao that wasn't using Hasshoken or Koka and he was bending Durandal. No the title is still the same. Gladius has better reaction speed than Cavendish since when Gladius was firing at Robin, Cavendish was about to surprise attack him, but Gladius reacted fast enough to stalemate him.

 

[Bogard]

The burden of proof lies on him to prove he wasn't going all out.

1. Chinjao wasnt even using Hasshoken or Koka and he isn't M3 level. Bartolomeo was being modest
2. Doesn't mean he's on Luffy's level.
3. So?
4. So?
5. Robin has a higher bounty than Sanji so she must be stronger than him.

Barto beats Cavendish high diff and that's being generous.

It's a shonen dude. The fact Gladius already got defeated in his own and final arc when Cavendish didn't get started yet on the contrary puts his hype higher since it means Oda is reserving him for better things in the future

1- I'm not talking about haki, but physical stats. His physical strength matched Chinjao(a monster trio physical fighter), so he has M3 physical strength, haki or not
2- Key-word: Portrayal. He was put in the same light with Luffy. Bartolomeo never got that honor. Hell in the color spread of the arc, he was sitting alongside Luffy, Law and Zoro when Bartolomeo was behind. You must ask yourself why Oda did this? It's what is called portraying someone as superior
3- It means that Cavendish is in the middle between worse generation and Bartolomeo
4- It means he has better experience of the new world and had more time to grow stronger since his first supernova bounty title
5- Robin is just an exception due to the fact she can read poneglyph, things that are related to the void century, the government is trying to hide when in Bartolomeo and Cavendish's case, their bounty is related to their actual strength. Hell, a veteran vice-admiral from the marine HQ who participated in the war of the best hyped his genius in swordplay

His hype is overall better. Cavendish is stronger

 

[Hexuze]

That was a Chinjao that wasn't using Hasshoken or Koka and he was bending Durandal. No the title is still the same. Gladius has better reaction speed than Cavendish since when Gladius was firing at Robin, Cavendish was about to surprise attack him, but Gladius reacted fast enough to stalemate him.

Does it really matter, was Cavendish using CoA? No, I don't think so. It's still impressive. Nope, look carefully. Gladius was clearly surprised when Cavendish shown up and none of them attacked one another since they were surprised by Bart's attack.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

It's a shonen dude. The fact Gladius already got defeated in his own and final arc when Cavendish didn't get started yet on the contrary puts his hype higher since it means Oda is reserving him for better things in the future

1- I'm not talking about haki, but physical stats. His physical strength matched Chinjao(a monster trio physical fighter), so he has M3 physical strength, haki or not
2- Key-word: Portrayal. He was put in the same light with Luffy. Bartolomeo never got that honor. Hell in the color spread of the arc, he was sitting alongside Luffy, Law and Zoro when Bartolomeo was behind. You must ask yourself why Oda did this? It's what is called portraying someone as superior
3- It means that Cavendish is in the middle between worse generation and Bartolomeo
4- It means he has better experience of the new world and had more time to grow stronger since his first supernova bounty title
5- Robin is just an exception due to the fact she can read poneglyph, things that are related to the void century, the government is trying to hide when in Bartolomeo and Cavendish's case, their bounty is related to their actual strength. Hell, a veteran vice-admiral from the marine HQ who participated in the war of the best hyped his genius in swordplay

His hype is overall better. Cavendish is stronger

1. Then why was Durandal bending?
2. Could have just meant that Hakuba was stronger than Barto, or it could just mean nothing at all.
3. Who you are hunting means jack shit about your strength.

4. Gladius was in the NW longer than Cavendish, so that argument can be used against you.
5. So is Usopp > Chopper since he has a higher bounty? Also, Jinbe has a higher bounty than Doflamingo so Jinbe>Doflamingo.
6. Nope. Bartolomeo won his block, blocked Kings Punch, and negged a VA. His hype was better.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Does it really matter, was Cavendish using CoA? No, I don't think so. It's still impressive. Nope, look carefully. Gladius was clearly surprised when Cavendish shown up and none of them attacked one another since they were surprised by Bart's attack.

He doesn't have CoA so that's irrelevant. So what if he was surprised? Doesn't matter in this discussion, Gladius was able to react to a surprise attack from Cavendish and stalemated his attack.

 

[Bogard]

1. Then why was Durandal bending?
2. Could have just meant that Hakuba was stronger than Barto, or it could just mean nothing at all.
3. Who you are hunting means jack shit about your strength.

4. Gladius was in the NW longer than Cavendish, so that argument can be used against you.
5. So is Usopp > Chopper since he has a higher bounty? Also, Jinbe has a higher bounty than Doflamingo so Jinbe>Doflamingo.
6. Nope. Bartolomeo won his block, blocked Kings Punch, and negged a VA. His hype was better.

1- Because the quality of the blade wasn't high enough? They remained in a standstil. It wasn't a strength defaillance and he was using only one hand to boot
2- Then he would draw Hakuba instead of Cavendish
3- Portrayal
4- He is veteran when Cavendish and Bartolomeo were super rookies
5- Chopper was mistaken for an animal. It's for that reason his bounty was so low. The marine knows Cavendish and Bartolomeo perfectly
6- He defeated a rookie vice-admiral that Bastille was considering as an amateur. It's Bastille himself, a veteran vice-admiral who participated in the war of the best, who was used to hype a low top tier(Sabo), who hyped Cavendish

Cavendish is stronger

He doesn't have CoA so that's irrelevant. So what if he was surprised? Doesn't matter in this discussion, Gladius was able to react to a surprise attack from Cavendish and stalemated his attack.

I'm fairly confident he can use haki

 

[Kαmi]

1- Because the quality of the blade wasn't high enough? They remained in a standstil. It wasn't a strength defaillance and he was using only one hand to boot
2- Then he would draw Hakuba instead of Cavendish
3- Portrayal
4- He is veteran when Cavendish and Bartolomeo were super rookies
5- Chopper was mistaken for an animal. It's for that reason his bounty was so low. The marine knows Cavendish and Bartolomeo perfectly
6- He defeated a rookie vice-admiral that Bastille was considering as an amateur. It's Bastille himself, a veteran vice-admiral who participated in the war of the best, who was used to hype a low top tier(Sabo), who hyped Cavendish

Cavendish is stronger

I'm fairly confident he can use haki

I wouldn't use the hunting down other supernovas as portrayal of superiority/equality over the hunted since Ace went hunting for Teach and was beaten. Just saiyan

OT: I honestly think it can go either way. Gladius seems like he wouldn't do well in CQC but then he has attacks that could overwhelm Cabbage.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1- Because the quality of the blade wasn't high enough? They remained in a standstil. It wasn't a strength defaillance and he was using only one hand to boot
2- Then he would draw Hakuba instead of Cavendish
3- Portrayal
4- He is veteran when Cavendish and Bartolomeo were super rookies
5- Chopper was mistaken for an animal. It's for that reason his bounty was so low. The marine knows Cavendish and Bartolomeo perfectly
6- He defeated a rookie vice-admiral that Bastille was considering as an amateur. It's Bastille himself, a veteran vice-admiral who participated in the war of the best, who was used to hype a low top tier(Sabo), who hyped Cavendish

Cavendish is stronger

I'm fairly confident he can use haki

1. It's a meito.
2. Hakuba wouldn't be the type to just relax on a couch.
3. Big Mom is hunting Caesar, so she must be pretty damn weak.
4. So? You were using experience as an argument, it doesn't matter if Gladius isn't a Super Rookie since he still has more experience than Cavendish.
5. You just ignored my other example.
6. Negging a VA, even a rookie one, is still better hype than getting a compliment from a featless VA.

 

[Bogard]

1. It's a meito.
2. Hakuba wouldn't be the type to just relax on a couch.
3. Big Mom is hunting Caesar, so she must be pretty damn weak.
4. So? You were using experience as an argument, it doesn't matter if Gladius isn't a Super Rookie since he still has more experience than Cavendish.
5. You just ignored my other example.
6. Negging a VA, even a rookie one, is still better hype than getting a compliment from a featless VA.

1. So? There are 3 categories of meito for a reason
2. Why would he be forced to draw him relax?
3. Except she isn't hunting him to defeat him in a fight
4. Veteran = At his peak of strength. Rookie = Strength at his lowest with far greater growth rate
5. Doflamingo's bounty was frozen since 10years ago
6. Negging a 0 doesn't mean shit

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1. So? There are 3 categories of meito for a reason
2. Why would he be forced to draw him relax?
3. Except she isn't hunting him to defeat him in a fight
4. Veteran = At his peak of strength. Rookie = Strength at his lowest with far greater growth rate
5. Doflamingo's bounty was frozen since 10years ago
6. Negging a 0 doesn't mean shit

1. Durandal is also a famous sword in real life, so it should be at least in the same tier as Shusui.
2. Because he would be attacking everyone; also, maybe Oda was considering Hakuba as a part of Cavendish's power when he drew it.
3. Cavendish is also hunting Bonney and Capone, so it can also be said that he is on their level.
4. Doesn't mean anything since this is about who is currently stronger.
5. Moriah's frozen bounty was higher than Kuma's frozen bounty, so he must be stronger.
6. Being complimented by a 0 means shit.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

well if bart wasnt there cavendish would have died t but gladius only got the time to perform his punk fist somthing cause cav was distracted if it`s i vs 1 things would be different

It was a pretty much a 1v1. Cavendish had already cleared out most of the fodders before he fought Gladius, with only a small amount remaining. Look in the upper right corner and you will see that one of the panels shows Cavendish facing Gladius one on one.

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, cav shares the same body with hakuba so there is no reason to think he is not fast if not as fast so i dont think galdius would get the time to blow up such a huge space but if he does there will be no more cavendish so i think it could go either way

He can't use Hakuba's speed. When Cavendish surprise attacked Gladius, who was at the time trying to shoot Robin, Gladius was fast enough to react to Cavendish and stalemate him.

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[Punk Hazard]

Gladius would have blown him to smithereens were it not for Bartolomeo. Gladius wins.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Gladius would have blown him to smithereens were it not for Bartolomeo. Gladius wins.

Inb4 " Cavendish totally could have survived that and win the fight!".