Cause And Effect

[EnDash]

A) I don't know if I can agree that MOST science is from observing side effects, but certainly much is. However, when we do such, theories are on a regular and constant basis changed/eliminated/updated etc. Look at the 1st model of the atom and spontaneous generation for easy examples. People observed something and attempted to account of it's origins and were far off in actuality. The difference, however, is that with the aforementioned such things (the existence of the atom and life) still go on now and can be examined closer, allowing the theories to be eradicated/changed as is necessary- which factually quite a lot when you look at it. However such simply cannot be done with the big bang. It is not going on today and therefore cannot be tested, worked on, improved, confirmed, denied, or anything. If we can be completely off about things we observe today, how much more about something in the past- without a recording of it! Frankly, the Big Bang is a widely-accepted assumption.

B) Such is simply not the case. Gold told Noah he would do the flood. God told Abraham he would rain fire and brimstone on Sodom & Gomorrah. Even beyond that there were many witness. These events have been recorded in the Bible, and are part of history.
{I'd also like to say that when people see something, can't explain it, and assume it to be God's doing they are often wrong. People used to think God suspended the planets, not the laws he set in place. That assumption has obviously been proven wrong, and there are many other examples. In fact, the apostle Paul himself didn't know whether God did something unless God directly told him (see Philemon 15 for ex.).}

a) the model of the atom is still very elusive, not how it works or what it's components are but how it actully looks like and if it is even really there. the bohr model of the atom that looks like a planetary system is wrong and outdated because electrons are not points in sapce around the atom but a cloud that form a special shape by their number. and don't even get me started on electrons that exist in multiple points in space at the same time and are (believed to) have a size of zero. and about the big bang this is my favourite part, the truth is we are all still feeling the aftershocks of the big bang, billions of years after it started the explosion is still going, the planets don't move beucase space doesn't have resistance but because the big bang is still pushing everything. and it is true that we can't prove it was the big bang that caused this but many other theores are unproven but used and built upon because of unanimous acceptance (almost completly). some things are just impossible to prove with what we have now but we can't stop science because of that.

b) well god claimed he did all those things, but where is his proof? i can say that the big bang is the creation of the universe but that doesn't make it true. you wanted a physical real proof of the big bang that i can't give you, but there is also not written in the bible any proof of god doing any of his miracles (aside from knowing beforehand that they would happen, but that is proof of knowing the future and not neccasirliy creating miracles physicly). in the bible miracles often seem to magically happen out of nowhere, it's never god taking out his hand and doing something but always out of thin air.

 

[Jobrjo]

a) the model of the atom is still very elusive, not how it works or what it's components are but how it actully looks like and if it is even really there. the bohr model of the atom that looks like a planetary system is wrong and outdated because electrons are not points in sapce around the atom but a cloud that form a special shape by their number. and don't even get me started on electrons that exist in multiple points in space at the same time and are (believed to) have a size of zero. and about the big bang this is my favourite part, the truth is we are all still feeling the aftershocks of the big bang, billions of years after it started the explosion is still going, the planets don't move beucase space doesn't have resistance but because the big bang is still pushing everything. and it is true that we can't prove it was the big bang that caused this but many other theores are unproven but used and built upon because of unanimous acceptance (almost completly). some things are just impossible to prove with what we have now but we can't stop science because of that.

b) well god claimed he did all those things, but where is his proof? i can say that the big bang is the creation of the universe but that doesn't make it true. you wanted a physical real proof of the big bang that i can't give you, but there is also not written in the bible any proof of god doing any of his miracles (aside from knowing beforehand that they would happen, but that is proof of knowing the future and not neccasirliy creating miracles physicly). in the bible miracles often seem to magically happen out of nowhere, it's never god taking out his hand and doing something but always out of thin air.

many scientists are opposed to / skeptical of. Just as the majority once thought that earth was the center of the solar system. I'm just saying you can't look at the effect and accurately theorize the cause. The things you just stated are still constantly being changed due to newer discoveries. The fact that what people think of the origins now vs one year ago vs ten years ago vs 100 years ago shows this perfectly well.
Science literally only has the ability to prove what it can test and show, and the past just isn't one of those things.

B} Well for one, you should understand that the Bible is a terribly accurate history book. People don't doubt other accurate accounts, even ones that do have historical problems. However, even putting that aside, do you have an explanation for "a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency" beside God? Especially when God does it and says he did or when he does it through someone and says he ? God is very clear about when it's him. When people are going around proclaiming to heal etc., to be blunt with you, it's a scam to get your money and it evidently works. But if someone turns the Nile river into blood, he shouldn't need to tell you he is from God.