then why does it say you are brought back the way you die. Itachi still had his eyes when he died. Madara had 1 sharingan when he died. it doesnt bring you back the way you were a week before you died. it brings you back the way you were 1 second before you died.
Madara is the only exception as kabuto made him NOT OLD.
it doesnt bring you back at perfection or close to it because then nagato wouldnt have been an old ass pos
"Then dust and ash encase the sacrifice's body, giving them the same appearance that the reincarnated had at the time of their death."
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you guys are all wrong. it brings you back the way you were seconds before you died. madara had to be given his original sharingan again to be brought back that way. Kabuto has no way of creating sharingan. he just made him not old.
Edo Tensei brings you back to the way you were when you died. More importantly, it brings you back with all of your powers. Nagato was given the Rinnegan so that power was apart of him even though he wasn't born with it. The same thing goes with Madara and the EMS and the Kin/Gin brothers being brought back with the 9tails chakara. Madara was brought back the way he died but Kabuto made him better by adding Hashirama's powers to him(this is exactly what he stated). Kabuto states that Madara was special because he combined Hashirama and Madara as one being. This is why Madara was confused by what Kabuto did to him until he looked down his shirt and seen Hashirama's face on his chest.
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So Madara did die young, he just cheated death(Nakara Path most likely) which is the obvious reason he had to stay attached to the lotus flower so his body could still live on even after death. He thus had the plan of giving Nagato the Rinnegan so that when the time was right, Nagato could bring Madara back to life. Now think about it, why would Madara be brought back to life as a old man again? Its because he obviously died young but used Nakara path to keep his soul in storage and bring life back to his body but because of that he was confined to life support from the lotus flower. This would explain why Madara's soul was still in its prime age when his soul was leaving his body due to Edo Tensei being released. Madara said it himself, he died shortly after awakening the Rinnegan. But how is that possible when he was a old man and still alive when Obito got crushed by that rock? Nagato was around Minato's age during that time and we know Nagato had the Rinnegan since he was a young kid.
Kabuto states something very key worthy here.
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Anyway, Edo Tensei brings you back the way you were when you died. They are brought back with their Original powers as well.
then why does it say you are brought back the way you die. Itachi still had his eyes when he died. Madara had 1 sharingan when he died. it doesnt bring you back the way you were a week before you died. it brings you back the way you were 1 second before you died.
Madara is the only exception as kabuto made him NOT OLD.
it doesnt bring you back at perfection or close to it because then nagato wouldnt have been an old ass pos
Like I said you have the abilities you had in life, Madara had EMS and Rinnegan, when they said "how you died" it was most likely referring to your physical state (age, looks..etc.)
Zato's points explain it perfectly. Madara did say he was only being kept alive by the attachment to the lotus flower, he said so himself. So he was technically living beyond his death. This would explain why he is young in his Edo form, as the jutsu will bring him back considering the time of his death; his prime.
I'll try to explain this by assigning an order of importance in regard to Edo Tensei's activation.
1. The technique brings you back just as you were when you died.
2. The technique restores all Jutsu that the person had prior to dieing.
In a normal situation, number 2 is covered in number 1. In Madara's case however, he did not have all his jutsu present when he died. So by the rules of the Jutsu, the Jutsu ITSELF re-created Madara's eyes as they were before he gave them away.
So even before Kabuto modified Madara's edo, he had his old Rinnegan eyes (that he could change from sharingan, to EMS, to Rinnegan freely) despite being in his elderly body. Then once the resurrection was successful, eyes and all, Kabuto manually altered his body by adding Senju DNA, supposedly restoring his youth. Keep in mind, Edo tensei physically recreates the person's whole body, eyes included. So there were two pairs of the same Rinnegan present in the war, Nagato and Madara's. Its crazy to think, but yes they were both the same pair of eyes at one time and clerly Edo tensei breaks the rules of reality.
As for Nagato, it is assumed that perhaps so much preparation went into restoring Madara's youth that Kabuto did not bother to enhance anyone else. It is also possible that he could not enhance anyone else for some reason or another.
Edo Tensei brings you back to the way you were when you died. More importantly, it brings you back with all of your powers. Nagato was given the Rinnegan so that power was apart of him even though he wasn't born with it. The same thing goes with Madara and the EMS and the Kin/Gin brothers being brought back with the 9tails chakara. Madara was brought back the way he died but Kabuto made him better by adding Hashirama's powers to him(this is exactly what he stated). Kabuto states that Madara was special because he combined Hashirama and Madara as one being. This is why Madara was confused by what Kabuto did to him until he looked down his shirt and seen Hashirama's face on his chest.
So Madara did die young, he just cheated death(Nakara Path most likely) which is the obvious reason he had to stay attached to the lotus flower so his body could still live on even after death. He thus had the plan of giving Nagato the Rinnegan so that when the time was right, Nagato could bring Madara back to life. Now think about it, why would Madara be brought back to life as a old man again? Its because he obviously died young but used Nakara path to keep his soul in storage and bring life back to his body but because of that he was confined to life support from the lotus flower. This would explain why Madara's soul was still in its prime age when his soul was leaving his body due to Edo Tensei being released. Madara said it himself, he died shortly after awakening the Rinnegan. But how is that possible when he was a old man and still alive when Obito got crushed by that rock? Nagato was around Minato's age during that time and we know Nagato had the Rinnegan since he was a young kid.
Kabuto states something very key worthy here.
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Anyway, Edo Tensei brings you back the way you were when you died. They are brought back with their Original powers as well.
ahhh thanks for the 1 actual answer that makes sense
i forgot all about that one path.
i still dont know how it would have worked with madara tho. would have had to use it in battle against hashirama, then have it transport him to the mazou then he had to plug himself in? still super confusing. cause if your dead how can you use the path without having another path if you see what i mean.
its easy for a guy like pain to use it cause there are 4 other paths. madara was 1 guy. u cant die and use that at the same time........
How do you know that Edo Tensei brings you back the way you were when you died? Does it say this somewhere, or is it an assumption based on observation?
How do you know that Edo Tensei brings you back the way you were when you died? Does it say this somewhere, or is it an assumption based on observation?
The fact that Nagato was brought back with white hair is an extremely strong indicator, but I guess you could say it is based on observation as opposed to actually being stated.
As for the whole Madara 'dieing' young and being on life support this whole time, I am not a believer in this. The fact is, Madara was still alive and kicking as an old man. His soul was still bound to his body, so its crazy to think he was actually brought back in his youth. Its highly probable that he was brought back as an old man and Kabuto altered him. As for Madara wanting to be revived in the first place, this crazy theory would fit into the whole equation, but it would make no logical sense.
There are other things about edo tensei that I find interesting, but make perfect sense. Case in point; Sasori. He was brought back as a human but died as a puppet. The important thing to note here is that Sasori's actual body was discarded as a young man, so when Edo proceeded to re-create his old body, that is what it formed him into. Now Sasori didn't actually die, but his body was preserved young, in a way, considering it didn't actually age after that. It's hard to explain, but based on Sasori's case, I'd say that since Madara's body aged well into his 90's, the same exception was not made for him.
The fact that Nagato was brought back with white hair is an extremely strong indicator, but I guess you could say it is based on observation as opposed to actually being stated.
As for the whole Madara 'dieing' young and being on life support this whole time, I am not a believer in this. The fact is, Madara was still alive and kicking as an old man. His soul was still bound to his body, so its crazy to think he was actually brought back in his youth. Its highly probable that he was brought back as an old man and Kabuto altered him. As for Madara wanting to be revived in the first place, this crazy theory would fit into the whole equation, but it would make no logical sense.
There are other things about edo tensei that I find interesting, but make perfect sense. Case in point; Sasori. He was brought back as a human but died as a puppet. The important thing to note here is that Sasori's actual body was discarded as a young man, so when Edo proceeded to re-create his old body, that is what it formed him into. Now Sasori didn't actually die, but his body was preserved young, in a way, considering it didn't actually age after that. It's hard to explain, but based on Sasori's case, I'd say that since Madara's body aged well into his 90's, the same exception was not made for him.
It is hard to explain but Madara said it himself that he died shortly after he awoken the Rinnegan. He also stated when he was first revived through Edo Tensei "So that brat Nagato managed to grow". This means that the last time Madara seen Nagato was when Nagato was a boy. This had to have been awhile before Obito was even born because remember Nagato and Minato are around the same age. Sasori's real body obviously died off when he was young so as a puppet he didn't age at all and his soul's image was the body that died off which would explain why he looked young when he was brought back through Edo Tensei. This would explain why Madara stated "I awoken this eyes shortly before my death", this would explain why he looks younger through Edo Tensei then what he is suppose to. It was because his original body died in its prime years and when he was brought back through Edo his soul was even in its prime years and we know this because when his soul was leaving his Edo body it was the image of a younger Madara.
I highly doubt Kabuto could bring someone back younger then they were when they died. If Kabuto could do something like this then obviously he would have done a ton of things to fix Nagato. He would have given him his huge chakara reserves back(even though they have infinite chakara it doesn't mean they have a high capacity, it just means their chakara instantly refills after using abilities,which would explain why Nagato still looked drained and still had his silver hair). Even more so, Kabuto would have fixed Nagato's legs. Kabuto feared Nagato would lack mobility because of his legs. If that was the case then why didn't he just fix them?
I think Kishi was smart enough to throw in that line with Madara saying he died shortly after awakening the Rinnegan. So plot wise people can look back at other Edo's and wonder why he didn't modify them if he had to power to... Nagato is obviously one of them because he was a very important Edo to Kabuto. We also have to remember that the outer path can control life and death.
Madara states some key things that people seem to forget.
It is hard to explain but Madara said it himself that he died shortly after he awoken the Rinnegan. He also stated when he was first revived through Edo Tensei "So that brat Nagato managed to grow". This means that the last time Madara seen Nagato was when Nagato was a boy. This had to have been awhile before Obito was even born because remember Nagato and Minato are around the same age. Sasori's real body obviously died off when he was young so as a puppet he didn't age at all and his soul's image was the body that died off which would explain why he looked young when he was brought back through Edo Tensei. This would explain why Madara stated "I awoken this eyes shortly before my death", this would explain why he looks younger through Edo Tensei then what he is suppose to. It was because his original body died in its prime years and when he was brought back through Edo his soul was even in its prime years and we know this because when his soul was leaving his Edo body it was the image of a younger Madara.
I highly doubt Kabuto could bring someone back younger then they were when they died. If Kabuto could do something like this then obviously he would have done a ton of things to fix Nagato. He would have given him his huge chakara reserves back(even though they have infinite chakara it doesn't mean they have a high capacity, it just means their chakara instantly refills after using abilities,which would explain why Nagato still looked drained and still had his silver hair). Even more so, Kabuto would have fixed Nagato's legs. Kabuto feared Nagato would lack mobility because of his legs. If that was the case then why didn't he just fix them?
I think Kishi was smart enough to throw in that line with Madara saying he died shortly after awakening the Rinnegan. So plot wise people can look back at other Edo's and wonder why he didn't modify them if he had to power to... Nagato is obviously one of them because he was a very important Edo to Kabuto. We also have to remember that the outer path can control life and death.
Madara states some key things that people seem to forget.
I like your explanations but I feel that you cannot use Madara's young looking soul as proof. At first I didn't know what you meant, but now I do:
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If Madara appeared as an old man there, it would make no sense, even if its true he was brought back old. Basically, what I am saying is that no matter what, Kishi showing his soul as young is the only way he could have done it. Even if the body was altered, the soul would theoretically take on the image of the person at the time. His soul wouldn't stay looking like an old man... it just wouldn't make sense. However, it is interesting that Kishi bothered showing this at all.
This was the first time a soul appeared like this in the manga. When Oro's soul was being pulled out, it did not look like him. When Naruto's soul was being pulled out, it did not look like him. When Shizune's soul was entirely pulled out, it did not look like her. The bottom line I'm getting at is that Kishi changed a component of his manga in that chapter in order to show something he otherwise wouldn't be able to. I think the main reason was to allow us to see Dan use his ghost tech, in addition to Madara being able to force his soul back into his body, even after releasing.
Last point I'll touch on is the 'I awakened Rinnegan shortly before my death'. I honestly feel that he is talking about his actual death, as an old man, rather than his figurative death. If you think of it in terms like this, Madara lived at least until his mid 80's if not early 90's. Considering Nagato is only about 10-12 years older than Obito, that means he likely gave his Rinnegan to Nagato between his early 70's and early 80's. In terms of old age, I think its easier to believe that 'shortly' was referring to 10-15 years as opposed to a difference of 10-15 years as a young person. I hope you get my point here.
