Canonly No one can defeat jj madara on a 1v1 manga proof.

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why not madara can fly around and limbo would handle obito, have the limbo clones rip obito's eyes out while madara is flying at super speed impossible to catch :)

limbo is instant it would have obito eyes covered before he knows.

manga scans or ur arguement is not valid :)

You do realize limbo has to go back to the original after a short time right? You do know any damage done to the limbo goes back to the original one the limbo returns right?
 

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Kaguya drops him off in another dimension.
 

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Madara can be killed, he acknowledges it himself

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Madara can be killed, he acknowledges it himself

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you would have to kill him in an atom level, im sure madara was just having fun when he said that.

kinda like cell in dbz you completely have to destroy every cell for him not to regenerate.
 

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You do realize limbo has to go back to the original after a short time right? You do know any damage done to the limbo goes back to the original one the limbo returns right?

they dont come back to him after a short time, they only last a short time inside of him, meaning he's not using limbo for only short periods of times, perhaps minutes, we've seen them outside way longer than a short "Time"

and no any damage that the clones take do not go to the original madara, where did you get this?
 

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Kaguya and hagoromo could beat him probably but that's about it
 

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Kaguya and hagoromo could beat him probably but that's about it

No

3 eyes Prime Hagoromo with jubbi = 2 eye JJ Madara
Hope you understand

3 eyed Madara is the strongest in NV
 

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Kamui is a passive ability. Meaning that once Obito has it active, he doesn't have to see an attack coming. Pretty much the perfect counter for Limbo. If he starts the fight out with Kamui active, (and he likely will, he's a cautious fighter) then he beats Madara low diff. Kamui snipe GG. Madara's only chance is for Obito to not begin with it, and to hit him with Limbo before Obito does activate it.

So.....
The student has surpassed the master. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

DMS Obito > JJ Madara
Let's have two scenarios:

1. Obito can teleport Limbo away.
As he tries to Kamui Madara, Limbo takes the hit and goes to the other dimension. Madara starts attacking Obito, and Obito goes intangible. The overlapping areas of his body go to the Kamui dimension, where Limbo is located. Obito gets crushed.

2. Obito can't teleport Limbo away.
In this case, the Limbo clones stay in front of Madara and take the snipe. Kamui is blocked, they don't get harmed. Obito stays in the defensive for 5 minutes and fails after that. He isn't winning unless he attacks, which would lead to scenario one.
 

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This is correct no matter what. Everyone knows this.....

No, it is just too much wank, Kaguya at least beat him, JJ Hagoromo is pretty much on par with him.

Kaguya drops him off in another dimension.

lol, but true

Kaguya and hagoromo could beat him probably but that's about it

Exactly U_U, too bad denial is strong in this thread

Kaguya can. Hagoromo is pretty much equal to Madara at that level, who knows.

Pretty much this, except Jin Hagormo is above JJ DRG Madara matching JJ Three eyed Madara
 

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they dont come back to him after a short time, they only last a short time inside of him, meaning he's not using limbo for only short periods of times, perhaps minutes, we've seen them outside way longer than a short "Time"

and no any damage that the clones take do not go to the original madara, where did you get this?

I got it from the manga :|
 

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they dont come back to him after a short time, they only last a short time inside of him, meaning he's not using limbo for only short periods of times, perhaps minutes, we've seen them outside way longer than a short "Time"

and no any damage that the clones take do not go to the original madara, where did you get this?

I got it from the manga :|

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DMS obito/kakashi and so6p naruto could solo madara.

DMS obi/kaka is op, so op that kishi had Nerf obito with a gigantic rock and give away his sharingan.

If obito had both eyes, konoha would have been rekt along with madara

SO6P naruto can sense limbo, is faster than jj madara and more powerful than JJ madara. Only thing JJ madara has going for him is his ocular power

All of the above is manga/databook facts

And of course black zetsu
 
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Rinnegan Sasuke>JJ Madara.
RSM Naruto>JJ Madara.
Hagoromo>JJ Madara.
Kaguya>>>>>JJ Madara.
 

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Madara was nerf as JJ so yes he could have easily killed everyone who fought him during the war arc but you can't say no one can beat him. Current Naruto and current Sasuke more likely surpassed him in the 12 years time skip. You don't think 29-30 year old Naruto can pull the Bijuus out himself just because his 17 year old self was fighting for days, tired, and lacked the 1 tails and 8 tails chakra at the time so couldn't pull out their chakra without Bee and Gaara? RM Naruto could make vlone's for that and its a much stronger mode than BSM (which was about half or less when Naruto was fighting Obito, he was never at full power in BSM).

Also nothing says Madara couldn't be sealed by other means, that seal was to not only seal Madara with the Gedo Mazo but free the Bijuu's in the process as it did. Naruto with Yin Kurama and small amounts of the other Bijuu's was contending with Kaguya for a good while alone and he did the most damage to her, Madara wanted to get close to Hagoromo's and Kaguya's power. By the end of the war Naruto got Yang Kurama again so now he has full Kurama and thanks to his new arm he also have Hashirama's cells which gives stamina boost, powers up jutsus (KA is prime example), can give access to wood element and enhanced healing (only Madara shown having the actual healing ability while others only healed fast with it like Sasuke being revived by Kabuto).

Sasuke was new to his Rinnegan and look at all he did at 17, Madara and Sasuke both showed that they could use Rinnegan Jutsus with Susanoo (Madara used Deva path to pull down meteors and Sasuke looked to used Deva path to pull the CTs to him and Pretha path to pull out the Bijuu's chakra and mix it with his Susanoo). If Sasuke have the 6 paths then pulling out Madara soul is a way to kill him. Sasuke might be able to summon the Gedo out of Madara as Madara did to Obito but after he weakens Madara first. Sasuke can use the Sharingan to copy any jutsu's hand signs and the Rinnegan to use that jutsu element and be using dust release, lava release, boiling release, storm release, ect... It would be a closer fight in the Sasuke vs Madara fight no doubt but Sasuke still lived so he knows how strong Madara was and would improve his own skills and abilities over the years in case someone as strong or stronger comes.

Naruto was faster than Madara and Kaguya with only Yin Kurama so imagine Full Kurama. Plus his greatest strength is his huge chakra reserve he'll have in base+Hashirama cells and full Kurama's chakra so he can literally train with 100's of clones and improve his skills, jutsus, and knowledge faster than anyone. He makes 4 clones to go learn the basics of sword fight then goes off and train with 800 clones for a day and it's equal to training for 800 days; he would be skilled in kenjutsu and made it into his own style. He can do this with Taijutsu, weapon usage, sealing jutsus, chakra control, learning new jutsus from all elements, ect... All in those 12 years. Naruto without a doubt is the strongest by the end of the manga.
 

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Madara was nerf as JJ so yes he could have easily killed everyone who fought him during the war arc but you can't say no one can beat him. Current Naruto and current Sasuke more likely surpassed him in the 12 years time skip. You don't think 29-30 year old Naruto can pull the Bijuus out himself just because his 17 year old self was fighting for days, tired, and lacked the 1 tails and 8 tails chakra at the time so couldn't pull out their chakra without Bee and Gaara? RM Naruto could make vlone's for that and its a much stronger mode than BSM (which was about half or less when Naruto was fighting Obito, he was never at full power in BSM).

Also nothing says Madara couldn't be sealed by other means, that seal was to not only seal Madara with the Gedo Mazo but free the Bijuu's in the process as it did. Naruto with Yin Kurama and small amounts of the other Bijuu's was contending with Kaguya for a good while alone and he did the most damage to her, Madara wanted to get close to Hagoromo's and Kaguya's power. By the end of the war Naruto got Yang Kurama again so now he has full Kurama and thanks to his new arm he also have Hashirama's cells which gives stamina boost, powers up jutsus (KA is prime example), can give access to wood element and enhanced healing (only Madara shown having the actual healing ability while others only healed fast with it like Sasuke being revived by Kabuto).

Sasuke was new to his Rinnegan and look at all he did at 17, Madara and Sasuke both showed that they could use Rinnegan Jutsus with Susanoo (Madara used Deva path to pull down meteors and Sasuke looked to used Deva path to pull the CTs to him and Pretha path to pull out the Bijuu's chakra and mix it with his Susanoo). If Sasuke have the 6 paths then pulling out Madara soul is a way to kill him. Sasuke might be able to summon the Gedo out of Madara as Madara did to Obito but after he weakens Madara first. Sasuke can use the Sharingan to copy any jutsu's hand signs and the Rinnegan to use that jutsu element and be using dust release, lava release, boiling release, storm release, ect... It would be a closer fight in the Sasuke vs Madara fight no doubt but Sasuke still lived so he knows how strong Madara was and would improve his own skills and abilities over the years in case someone as strong or stronger comes.

Naruto was faster than Madara and Kaguya with only Yin Kurama so imagine Full Kurama. Plus his greatest strength is his huge chakra reserve he'll have in base+Hashirama cells and full Kurama's chakra so he can literally train with 100's of clones and improve his skills, jutsus, and knowledge faster than anyone. He makes 4 clones to go learn the basics of sword fight then goes off and train with 800 clones for a day and it's equal to training for 800 days; he would be skilled in kenjutsu and made it into his own style. He can do this with Taijutsu, weapon usage, sealing jutsus, chakra control, learning new jutsus from all elements, ect... All in those 12 years. Naruto without a doubt is the strongest by the end of the manga.

Thanl you so much


Nail on the cot damn head

Your articulated everything I was to lazy say


Wow great post and one of the best I've ever read on here
 

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Canonically, Madara cannot escape Kamuiland.
#mangaphax
 
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