Vergo is still stronger, I don't see why people don't get this. Just because he cuts Pica's FBH, doesn't mean he can cut Vergo's FBH and even if he could, people forget that Vergo's defenses are incredibly strong. This dude was taking DJ's without CoA and haki coated punches/jabs from Smoker. Unless you're suggesting that Zoro could effortlessly match up with Sanji and outclass him without having to use CoA. He's Doffy's first mate for a reason.
[Question] Can zoro take on all the executives?
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I believe Sanji wasn't going all out on Vergo because if it's really all what he could do, then better stop the term monster trio. I believe all out Sanji could have pushed him to high difficulty if not defeat him. He has better plot relevance. We're not in Punk Hazard anymore. These guys are about to take on yonkou commanders. Sanji isn't going to be that much weaker(if weaker at all) than someone who got defeated 2 arcs before
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Well yeah he wasn't going all out since it was a small skirmish but he was serious. His only intention to fight him was to protect Tashigi. He even got pissed and specifically stated that Vergo is the type of guy that his captain hates the most. I don't think he'll be able to push Vergo to high diff. seeing how he got his leg fractured easily without Vergo even using CoA and if he could push Vergo to high diff then he wouldn't of gotten defeated so easily by Doffy. Usually the difference in strength between the captain and first mate isn't that huge.
From what we saw, Vergo low diff'd him but if the fight had continued he would of been able to push Vergo to mid diff IMO. Zoro would push Vergo to high diff, that's how I see it.
Luffy is about to defeat Doflamingo, someone who should be able to beat Vergo with difficulties going from low to mid max. That means Luffy can mid diff Vergo at max. Zoro who isn't that far weaker than Luffy(especially when he has yet to go all out) should then be able to defeat Vergo with high difficulty max. Sanji who shouldn't be far weaker than Zoro should be able to tie with him.
It also coincidates with the fact Zoro defeated someone of similar rank(Pica) with mid difficulty max considering Vergo's portrayal has never been much greater than Pica's(and the rest of the executives for the matter). Featwise, Zoro defeated Pica similarly to how Law defeated Vergo. One should question himself why did Oda do that? For me it was clear. It was to tell show people of the same level/rank(Pica and Vergo) getting defeated by people of similar caliber(Zoro and Law). It was the real message behind that feat
People should really think about this twice. Like i've said, Vergo is in the past now but when i sometimes read replies on this subject it's as if people think the story stopped at Punk Hazard. No, you should also look who has more plot relevance than who. Punk Hazard will be 2arcs behind now after Dressrosa with the monster trio having finished with Vergo's boss(Doflamingo) and taking care at some point with yonkou commanders. They're not going to block against an underling. Otherwise like i've said, if it was really all what Sanji could do there, then better stop the term monster trio because portrayal, hype and feats all suggest Vergo would have lost to Luffy and Zoro
It also coincidates with the fact Zoro defeated someone of similar rank(Pica) with mid difficulty max considering Vergo's portrayal has never been much greater than Pica's(and the rest of the executives for the matter). Featwise, Zoro defeated Pica similarly to how Law defeated Vergo. One should question himself why did Oda do that? For me it was clear. It was to tell show people of the same level/rank(Pica and Vergo) getting defeated by people of similar caliber(Zoro and Law). It was the real message behind that feat
People should really think about this twice. Like i've said, Vergo is in the past now but when i sometimes read replies on this subject it's as if people think the story stopped at Punk Hazard. No, you should also look who has more plot relevance than who. Punk Hazard will be 2arcs behind now after Dressrosa with the monster trio having finished with Vergo's boss(Doflamingo) and taking care at some point with yonkou commanders. They're not going to block against an underling. Otherwise like i've said, if it was really all what Sanji could do there, then better stop the term monster trio because portrayal, hype and feats all suggest Vergo would have lost to Luffy and Zoro
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I know he can beat diamanté and Pica at the same time.
Not sure about Trebol, but based on what we've seen, he gets blitzed.
Not sure about Trebol, but based on what we've seen, he gets blitzed.
Ya his defence is as hard as steel as noted by Sanji. Guess what? this is what happens to him against Zoro.
None of Vergo's attacks are on the same level as Zoro's and you're here to tell me he can actually hope to do jack against him? Not sure if serious.
Yup, He can. I have no reason to even believe that a dude that can't even break a door can match someone that can cut small mountains like butter.
Zoro didn't go all out against Fujitora either. Not like it makes any difference. Both Sanji and Vergo were holding back, In fact Vergo was holding back more than Sanji did still he dominated Sanji in his own game. Even Zoro has plot relevance like sanji but still there are times when Luffy left him in dust. It's the same. Oda separated him from Luffy and Zoro by not making him a supernova for a reason.
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That's how his body is like with no haki coating and it was an estimation at that. If he's pushing Vergo to high diff. then he's going FBH.
He's a brawler, the only DC attacks he had was with his explosive darts. If his attacks can harm people like Sanji/Smoker then Zolo is no exception. Especially with Smoker seeing how he's pretty bulky and has a similar if not the same physique as Zoro.
Lel Zolo wank is strong with this one. Yes, at accelerating at high speeds like that, cutting something would look relatively easy. DC feats aren't everything in a fight. With the whole door thing, we've seen Sanji have better DC feats than that. i.e. Hell memories against Wadatsumi. Not to mention those were base kicks of Sanji that was attacking the door. If Sanji's base kicks are breaking down doors that reinforced with steel/iron then yeah he's overpowered.
I do think the gap increased, but i don't think the gap increased by as much as you think. It wouldn't make much sense in terms of story consistency imo unless Sanji gets back stronger than ever in the following arc
Ya his body is as hard as iron without haki and Zoro did cut iron shield without haki. That says something.
Zoro is no exception,why? Because you assume that he on the same table as them which is totally wrong.
Zoro can cut the shit out of doors with his base moves. I am well aware of the fact that having more powerful won't do any good in a fight if you are not skilled. It would be same as Sai but Zoro is different. He's a skilled fighter and has stronger attacks. Combination of skills and strong moves >>> People with skills.
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Vergo was a former Corazon...
OT: Zoro high diffed Pica, but yeah, he'd beat all of the top executives.
It seems many people confuse area of effect with destructive capacity now. Hell Memories isn't a destructive move
How was it a high diff when he received no scratch during the entire fight and that the only difficulty of the fight was to find a way to isolate Pica completely from the stone with a big move? Just look at it this way. You're a university student and a primary school boy needs your help to answer 100 basic math problems and it takes you an hour to reply all of them. Would you say the problems were difficult? No, they were easy as fuck, but it was just heavily time consuming, enough that it took you that great while to finish them all
Riker thinks of it as more of a brain game than a fight that involves strength so he considers it to be high. Not because Zoro physically strained or anything.
You pretty much admitted that he's far weaker than Zoro and Luffy. At this point only arguments one can use to put Sanji closer to Zoro and Luffy are plot relevance and portrayal from pre TS but not his portrayal after TS and his moves.
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This is actually pretty funny to me because:
We saw Sanji kick down a door in Enies Lobby. It depends on the quality of the material the thing is made with, not the thing itself. You can't just go ¨He couldn't do door, but he did mountain. Obviously stronger.¨ Case in point:
Whitebeard couldn't knock down a wall while Zoro be cutting mountains like butter. Zoro>Whitebeard :^)
Because he had a hard time doing so, it is high diff. If the level of difficulty to you is determined by just physical effort put in or how much damage you took, then you probably shouldn't bother replying to me about this; our standards for fight difficulty are different and this is a boring topic to discuss(what makes the diff in a fight) and doing so has no chance of changing my outlook, so if that's how you determine diff let's just agree to disagree and have our different viewpoints.
Leave it to a Zoro fan to think a fight is all about how hard you flexed your muscles. Oh wait, no, never mind, even muscleheaded Zoro knows you need your brain just as much as your muscles.
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I am definitely not stupid enough miss a simple logic such as this. Sanji clearly said that the doors can't be broken, after few pages Franky destroyed them like nothing. Not to mention that Zoro effortlessly destroyed a big ass iron door in same arc. Now I'll leaves the calculations up to you.
The problem is that the moment Zoro actually bothered use a big move to do that, he did it and defeated Pica under 2minutes, so how do you definite the difficulty in this case? Also, just to be clear, what do you think was the difficulty of the fight between Luffy, Usopp, Sanji versus Satori?
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Ah yes, Franky>Sanji then as well.
And every door everywhere is the same strength?
Nah dude. If Zoro can cut mountains and Sanji can't knock down doors=Zoro easily and effortlessly beats Sanji, then Zoro can cut mountains and Whitebeard couldn't knock down a wall=Zoro easily and effortlessly beats Whitebeard.
The logic in both scenarios are the same, and you used it. It doesn't conveniently become stupid only when used against you, it was stupid when you used it to.
Still high diff because Zoro had to spent quite a bit of time(relatively) getting to the point where he used a big move and got Pica. Prior to that, he had a hard time catching Pica and figuring out where he was. The fight pushed Zoro maybe not mentally, but physically.
I hardly remember Sanji vs Satori.
Usopp vs Luffy was mid-diff. Even though the gap between Luffy and Usopp was extremely high, Luffy had some trouble getting him, but not as much trouble as Zoro did getting to Pica.
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