[Discussion] Can Zoro beat luffy in a fight??

[Anduril]

Why has this thread got 100 comments? lol

Why bother with a situation that is perhaps never going to happen...

 

[A v i]

I never said everyone who likes Zoro is a Zorotard, just a select few wankers, they migrate from thread to thread and instincively (and desperately) need to prove Zoro's superiority in various aspects of OP (usually compared to Sanji or Luffy), their religion is Zoro and they feed on misinformation and breathe false hope, their mating rituals, as of yet, are unknown ... but it is believed that they involve swords

We'll keep supporting him as long as those who don't want Zoro to be too close to/stronger than their fav keep bashing & downplay him.

It is an alien life form which started to appear recently, we hope to gather more information on it to be able to better protect ourselves , as of now the best defense we have against them are manga facts, the manga fact they are paricularly vulnerable too is something called "Ennies Lobby" which contains an ingredient called "doriki"

Get updated to dressrosa from EL then you'll automatically realize that Luffy being on a whole new level from Zoro and Sanji being closer to Zoro are nothing more than Old news.

 

[Olorin]

Too funny lol
Everyone is biased and/or will give more leniancy towards their favorite character man.
Zoro's my 2nd favorite character too, who's your first favorite? If I may ask.

Naturally it's Luffy

Glad you found it funny, always happy to cheer someone up

Get updated to dressrosa from EL then you'll automatically realize that Luffy being on a whole new level from Zoro and Sanji being closer to Zoro are nothing more than Old news.

Nothing post EL has allowed us to compare the 3 and ever since the TS noone from the m3o has even gone all out

And even post TS Oda keeps portraying Zoro and Sanji as rivals, Zoro is without a doubt stronger than Sanji but not by as much as <3 Z O R O B O Y S <3 believe and while Zoro is close to Luffy in strength ne is not as close as many <3 Z O R O B O Y S <3 believe, they are close but Luffy will always be a tier above Zoro

 

[NarutoBmx33]

@Algalon

That can go the other way too. As far as I see it, Zoro is ahead of Sanji by a decent amount. It's obvious that he's the second mate, or will become the second mate. And I don't think Oda will have a second mate who's only stronger than the 3rd by an inch.

 

[A v i]

Nothing post EL has allowed us to compare the 3

If you pay some attention and read manga a bit carefully ,Oda has been giving hints about their power levels in each and every arc via different means.

Zoro was b/w Kaku and Lucci/Luffy during EL and he has gotten significantly stronger during the very next arc (i.e. TB) after getting Shusui which means that Zoro has gotten closer to Luffy and the gap b/w Zoro and Sanji increased at TB means that the statistics from EL are pretty much useless in the very next arc and here we have this guy who still riding on those statistics. Lmao,not sure if serious.hmm

and ever since the TS noone from the m3o has even gone all out

There is no need for them to go all out.I have been saying that from what we have seen Sanji has done nothing that can put him on the same level as Zoro and Luffy. He'll stay below other two until he showns something that can put him on their level. Simple as that ,not a
hard concept.

And even post TS Oda keeps portraying Zoro and Sanji as rivals,

They have never been portrayed to be rivals.hmm
Learn the meaning of Rivals.

Zoro is without a doubt stronger than Sanji but not by as much as <3 Z O R O B O Y S <3 believe

From what we have seen the gap is not as small as you think.

Get updated.

and while Zoro is close to Luffy in strength ne is not as close as many <3 Z O R O B O Y S <3 believe, they are close but Luffy will always be a tier above Zoro

So, I have been wasting my time with someone who don't even know what it means to be on 2 different levels? & what it means to be close in strength?

If they are close in strength then they can't be in two different levels.

 

[Olorin]

If you pay some attention and read manga a bit carefully ,Oda has been giving hints about their power levels in each and every arc via different means.

Zoro was b/w Kaku and Lucci/Luffy during EL and he has gotten significantly stronger during the very next arc (i.e. TB) after getting Shusui which means that Zoro has gotten closer to Luffy and the gap b/w Zoro and Sanji increased at TB means that the statistics from EL are pretty much useless in the very next arc and here we have this guy who still riding on those statistics. Lmao,not sure if serious.hmm




There is no need for them to go all out.I have been saying that from what we have seen Sanji has done nothing that can put him on the same level as Zoro and Luffy. He'll stay below other two until he showns something that can put him on their level. Simple as that ,not a
hard concept.


They have never been portrayed to be rivals.hmm
Learn the meaning of Rivals.



From what we have seen the gap is not as small as you think.

Get updated.





So, I have been wasting my time with someone who don't even know what it means to be on 2 different levels? & what it means to be close in strength?

If they are close in strength then they can't be in two different levels.

rival - ''a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity.''

why can't they be on 2 different levels? why couldn't it be true that Kuzan could push Shanks to very high dif but Shanks would still be a tier above him?

 

[A v i]

rival - ''a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity.''

I hope now u understand that there is no rivalry b/w them.

why can't they be on 2 different levels? why couldn't it be true that Kuzan could push Shanks to very high dif but Shanks would still be a tier above him?

If he can push Shanks to high dif then he's on the same level as Shanks. Very simple.*_*

 

[Bogard]

Considering Zoro's objective is to become the strongest swordsman, didn't know Sanji and Zoro were competing for the same objective or superiority in the same field(swordsmanship). If anything, Zoro's only rivals are swordsmen(Tashigi, Cavendish, .... with Mihawk being his greatest one and goal to surpass). They are the ones he is only interested in(Kinemon's fire cutting ability for example), the ones he doesn't like losing to and the ones he absolutely wants to best to become the best(his goal). Sanji-Zoro relationship is more brotherly related comparable to the one between Buggy and Shanks for example

 

[NarutoBmx33]

Considering Zoro's objective is to become the strongest swordsman, didn't know Sanji and Zoro were competing for the same objective or superiority in the same field(swordsmanship). If anything, Zoro's only rivals are swordsmen(Tashigi, Cavendish, .... with Mihawk being his greatest one and goal to surpass). They are the ones he is only interested in(Kinemon's fire cutting ability for example), the ones he doesn't like losing to and the ones he absolutely wants to best to become the best(his goal). Sanji-Zoro relationship is more brotherly related comparable to the one between Buggy and Shanks for example

Yepp. Shanks and Buggy type of relationship.
No seriously rivalry because they have different goals and dreams.

 

[Olorin]

I hope now u understand that there is no rivalry b/w them.

yea there is

Despite their comical fights and rivalry, they have a ...

it might be in a goofy and comedic kind of way but they ARE portrayed as rivals, have been for a long time in fact, although it's in a goofy way Zoro is not competing with Luffy for superiority in the SH crew, he's competing with Sanji, he might be stronger but there is still the fact that he has to compete with Sanji

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[Love Cook]

@Algalon

That can go the other way too. As far as I see it, Zoro is ahead of Sanji by a decent amount. It's obvious that he's the second mate, or will become the second mate. And I don't think Oda will have a second mate who's only stronger than the 3rd by an inch.

Well ok, I'll just accept Zoro is second mate then.

Because that would leave the door open for Sanji to become first mate.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

Well ok, I'll just accept Zoro is second mate then.

Because that would leave the door open for Sanji to become first mate.

Oops, meant Zoro as first mate.

 

[Anduril]

By the time Jinbei joins the strawhats, this will be the powerscale Luffy >> Zoro > Jinbei > shitty cook.

So sanji can be the fourth maid or mate whatever

Jokes apart though, I thought the first one to join the crew is usually the first mate no?

 

[A v i]

By the time Jinbei joins the strawhats, this will be the powerscale Luffy >> Zoro > Jinbei > shitty cook.

So sanji can be the fourth maid or mate whatever

Jokes apart though, I thought the first one to join the crew is usually the first mate no?

Nah, Second in commad is the first mate and first mate is the second strongest in almost every case.

yea there is

You still don't get it.

At least try to read Bogards post.

it might be in a goofy and comedic kind of way but they ARE portrayed as rivals, have been for a long time in fact, although it's in a goofy way Zoro is not competing with Luffy for superiority in the SH crew, he's competing with Sanji, he might be stronger but there is still the fact that he has to compete with Sanji

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Lmao,Using Wiki? Want me to edit that shit and make them lovers?

Regardless, you can believe that they are rivals if u wanted to but still it won't help u to put Sanji near Zoro. As their fights are for comic purpose.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Nah, Second in commad is the first mate and first mate is the second strongest in almost every case.



You still don't get it.

At least try to read Bogards post.




Lmao,Using Wiki? Want me to edit that shit and make them lovers?

Regardless, you can believe that they are rivals if u wanted to but still it won't help u to put Sanji near Zoro. As their fights are for comic purpose.

I actually did that once :leaf:

 

[Olorin]

Nah, Second in commad is the first mate and first mate is the second strongest in almost every case.



You still don't get it.

At least try to read Bogards post.




Lmao,Using Wiki? Want me to edit that shit and make them lovers?

Regardless, you can believe that they are rivals if u wanted to but still it won't help u to put Sanji near Zoro. As their fights are for comic purpose.

I did read his post :/

Even if they are not competing with eachother as swordsmen or whatever, at the end of the day their relationship is one of friendly RIVALRY

Who cares if they are for comedic purpose, the point is they compete with eachother, do you think Oda would make Usopp compete with Zoro like he does with Sanji?

The main point of the m3o is that the gap between Zoro and Sanji is, at most, as wide as the gap between Zoro and Luffy and that Luffy is a tier above Zoro in every category (haki, endurance, strength and speed)

Have a nice day

 

[Bogard]

I still think you just see what you want to see ignoring the details contradicting your points and jumping too much the gun. We only had one direct endurance comparison between Luffy and Zoro and it was in TB where even you mustn't deny Zoro showed superior endurance. I'm also doubtful in the superiority in strength when looking at the comparison between their strongest one-hit move effect against Pica's golem. Not to mention this

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Okay i'm just kidding here Lol

However it's also too soon to tell he has better armament either when he can't protect himself against a fodder's bite when the limit of Zoro's armament is unknown by us at this point, said armament that happens to be his speciality

 

[Legend Slayer]

Ok you people went so off topic. What I've gathered so far is that this debate cannot be settled amongst fans. But looks like most of you believe that luffy is a tier above zoro , so I'll just go with that until oda confirms.

 

[Love Cook]

Jokes apart though, I thought the first one to join the crew is usually the first mate no?

Yes and that is why no one takes you seriously.

Shanks first crew member is Yassop yet Ben Beckman is his first mate.

Have a nice day. try to read more into the subject before you start talking about it.

 

[Anduril]

Yes and that is why no one takes you seriously.

Shanks first crew member is Yassop yet Ben Beckman is his first mate.

Have a nice day. try to read more into the subject before you start talking about it.

Who told you the first crew member of shanks was Yasopp?