[Discussion] Can Yamamoto defeat Aizen?
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Yes. Yamamoto is the most powerful being to exist so far in Kubos Bleachverse. Aizen openly admitted his inferiority to Yamamoto as did Ywach. Neither of them could risk fighting him head on without some sort of contingency plan in place, like come on... they both had to take his power away or use his own power against him because otherwise they would lose. His Bankai can destroy himself, the whole Soul Society, he cannot be touched, he revives every person his flames have ever killed in an ET style fashion to fight for him, he cuts you out of existence, his reiatsu can be felt over the entire world and he already beat Ywach 1000 years ago. Does Aizen stand a chance? Absolutely not.
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Completely agreed. Everyone who beat Genryusai-dono used his power against him. Ywach does have the almighty thing going for him being able to predict what will happen and what not though. Still.. It was no good apparently since he took Ryujin-Jaka
Yama basically beat Aizen with just shikai. Without wonderweiss Aizen would have been dead. In bankai yama doesnt even need to sacrifice himself and Aizen literally couldnt even touch him, Aizen would go to swing at him like he did before and his zan would be disintegrated. Aizens only shot would be to use KS before Yama does bankai but even then, as soon as aizen touches yama with his sword yama would know he has aizen and he would go bankai and disintegrate aizen. Bankai aizen is an unknown factor so I am of course leaving that out and hogyoku aizen never used KS so Yama might win there as well.
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I think Yamamoto wins with bankai. Both Yhwach and Aizen had to resort to taking away his powers to defeat him U_U
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Yamamoto is the strongest bleach character in his prime however his old self > anybody but Ywach
Him and ichibei could go either way
Him and ichibei could go either way
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There is no debate whatsoever that Yamamoto has the most destructive power in all Bleach thus far. His Shikai has enough power to wipe out cities / His Bankai has enough power to wipe out a dimension.
Yamamoto vs. Hog. Aizen comes down to Kubo's plans about the whole 'transcendent reatsu'. If it's "transcendent reatsu > ALL reatsu" then yes, Yamamoto is the weaker. However, if transcendent reatsu is simply another type of reatsu that unlocks 'off-limit' abilities, then no Yamamoto is the stronger.
And really, if "transcendent reatsu > ALL reatsu's" then Gin would have not tried to stop Kyoka Suigetsu, what's the point of stopping KS if Aizen's reatsu would trump Gin's anyways? Again, this is the same character who witnessed Aizen destroying the cleaner, yet his main worry was Kyoka Suigetsu, not "Aizen-sama's ever so godly reatsu".
Besides really if we talking about unability to sense reiatsu than Royd wasn't able to tell where the flame of East went aka he couldn't sense a reiatsu made flam. Neither was he able to see and sense east before Yama actualy allowed him to see it and even than Jugo needed to actualy think before comming up with the idea that the flame is reiatsu and he just came up with it and not actualy sensed the feeling of reiatsu.
This is one of those vague, gray areas in Bleach. Basically, Aizen declared that he was a transcendent being, but he never really gave an idea of what that means, mentioning only that his reiatsu could not be felt by anyone not on his level. However, then comes Ichigo and Aizen can't feel his reiatsu, which he tries to claim is because Ichigo gave up his reiatsu for physical power, but Ichigo pretty much disproves this instantly. Aizen could not fathom that Ichigo could also be a transcendent being so thats where we are stuck. You could say that Ichigo had gone to a level even higher than Aizen and thus were both transcendent beings, or you can say that there is no such thing as a transcendent being. Frankly, I believe that the whole transcendent being thing was just Aizen being full of himself as usual, but the story never really clarified itself one way or the other.
Yamamoto vs. Hog. Aizen comes down to Kubo's plans about the whole 'transcendent reatsu'. If it's "transcendent reatsu > ALL reatsu" then yes, Yamamoto is the weaker. However, if transcendent reatsu is simply another type of reatsu that unlocks 'off-limit' abilities, then no Yamamoto is the stronger.
And really, if "transcendent reatsu > ALL reatsu's" then Gin would have not tried to stop Kyoka Suigetsu, what's the point of stopping KS if Aizen's reatsu would trump Gin's anyways? Again, this is the same character who witnessed Aizen destroying the cleaner, yet his main worry was Kyoka Suigetsu, not "Aizen-sama's ever so godly reatsu".
Besides really if we talking about unability to sense reiatsu than Royd wasn't able to tell where the flame of East went aka he couldn't sense a reiatsu made flam. Neither was he able to see and sense east before Yama actualy allowed him to see it and even than Jugo needed to actualy think before comming up with the idea that the flame is reiatsu and he just came up with it and not actualy sensed the feeling of reiatsu.
This is one of those vague, gray areas in Bleach. Basically, Aizen declared that he was a transcendent being, but he never really gave an idea of what that means, mentioning only that his reiatsu could not be felt by anyone not on his level. However, then comes Ichigo and Aizen can't feel his reiatsu, which he tries to claim is because Ichigo gave up his reiatsu for physical power, but Ichigo pretty much disproves this instantly. Aizen could not fathom that Ichigo could also be a transcendent being so thats where we are stuck. You could say that Ichigo had gone to a level even higher than Aizen and thus were both transcendent beings, or you can say that there is no such thing as a transcendent being. Frankly, I believe that the whole transcendent being thing was just Aizen being full of himself as usual, but the story never really clarified itself one way or the other.
