Of course WB would win. He was the world strongest man and him being weakened isn't changing that fact. He still had considerably much more fire power than any top tier and incredibly durability. He'd have to worry about Mihawk's lethality with his sword though, but overall he should still end up taking this
[Discussion] Can Whitebeard beat Mihawk?
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The first one is a pretty large area of effect, but what good does it do? It damaged some of Marineford's structures, but that's because they were being pulled out of place. Not one person who was within its area of effect was even remotely injured, so it's not really a destructive Quake. At the very least, it doesn't cause destruction that would be useful in battle.
The second and third ones generated those massive waves, yes, but Aokiji easily counteracted the force that was propelling the waves via freezing them, and Mihawk was capable of slicing through one of them with one swing. When you bear in mind he was swinging at Luffy, it's reasonable to assume he wasn't going all out, and that one swing cleaved through half of the frozen wave all the way through. So, I wouldn't say this proves Bogard's point about WB having more firepower than any top tier since Mihawk and Aoki showed similar levels of power with their abilities.
The third one is kinda overrated. It caused a huge gash through a part of Marineford's bay, and it struck the Marineford main building. Fast forward to after the war, and it was shown that Aokiji's office in that building didn't receive a single scratch, though that's probably due to logic suggesting it'd make the most sense that the main building of the Marines HQ would be made very strong, so that might be a stretch. But also bear in mind that Moriah's punch caused Thriller Bark to split completely down the middle. Wouldn't be pretty much the same firepower as what WB did there, and Moriah isn't anywhere near top tier.
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Yeah, but those same Quakes didn't do anything to any of the people around him, so what good is that in battle?
I mean, Akainu was throwing meteors around and it didn't do anything to anyone either. Also, WB wasn't aiming at anyone in particular like with my man at the bottom
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, so with the quake fruit, all they had to do was avoid the crashing waves and moving debris.
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What proof is there that that Quake CAN even be used to harm anyone though?
And Akainu's Meteor Fists will obviously do harm. He can't make his magma NOT burning hot and lethal on a whim.
It's not really suitable on a 1 vs 1 fight because the AoE that it causes is supposed to be used for multiple opponents. He's never actually used it on just one person so of course it hasn't actually harmed anyone. It's just an ability that is supposed to show us how much hype it was given, and it has shown us that it can cause a lot of damage.
*It seems that the quakes has only shown damage to buildings and seas rather than actual people, but you asked for his best destructive feat so I gave it. It doesn't have to actually kill anyone for it to be destructive.
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Not to him it doesn't. To him the title means Mihawk gets a guaranteed victory over the opponent in every scenario if the opponents primary fighting method is a sword.
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And? How is not a logical conclusion that being the strongest in a category means you have a higher chance of beating everyone in that category?
Your interpretation is different than mine, not more correct.
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You're asking me why Oda chose to depict moments the way he did when he did as if I'd have an answer or as if my lack of an answer some how bolsters your stance. He didn't employ it because Oda didn't have him employ it, authors choose when and how info is given. But don't try and beat around the core of this statement, you're saying Doffy and/or Law at DR were capable of a feat that not only would match WB but outclass him by a sufficient amount? So to be clear since you didn't address it last time;
WB can't stop Akainu's meteors(that aren't a fraction the size of Fuji's meteor) but Doffy and/or Law can walk away from a literal meteor with their DF powers no sweat(and it was easy for them)
No one's saying they're not swordsmen still. You could be the best boxer and fight the best kickboxer, you're both boxers, you'll throw the better punches but that doesn't mean your punches would be over his kicks.
No by definition that's literally what it means not the over reaching definition you keep saying as if fact.
You mean WSS and no that's not a blanketing statement that's a statement acknowledging superiority in one aspect of fighting as compared to WB's title which was a statement acknowledging his superiority above any man in combat. As for the other bit I don't remember what I was getting at.
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Did you see me say anywhere in there one was more correct or not? In fact didn't I just say in an earlier post on this topic we would need to wait and see more about Mihawk and Shanks' past/relation? I believe I did.
Also I've agreed that it does mean he can beat everyone in that category but there's where it stops, that category, once swords are out of the battle scenario the guarantee is gone with them. Can Mihawk beat most sword users even without his sword- most likely can he beat every sword user without swords-idk but the title doesn't give him the assumed win imo.
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I don't think you understand what "in that category means." It's a category of people. Meaning, he bits everyone in that list.
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You keep ducking the point, because you know there isn't a winning argument that supports Mihawk defeating WB based on the categories I already mentioned. If you have valid reasons to believe that Mihawk is Admiral level, state them. WB more then handled his own against all the Admirals despite enduring all that he did, and I'm sure he would of done better in terms of prolonging his health conditions if it wasn't for the injury caused by Squard. A clean 1 vs 1 isn't ending well for any of them, but again, that's besides the point. I'm almost certain you're going to attempt to place Mihawk on Admiral level based on hype, which doesn't work well in your favor.
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Idiot plain Idiot Measuring strength between him and that man!!!!!!!!!!! If am measuring how weak is Whitebeard compared to me, I would have used the exact same words :sdo:
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Wtf are you even going on about? Winning what argument?
Anyways, I have reason to believe Mihawk is on that level. He was paralleled with Kizaru to hype the second strongest WB commander.
Mihawk attacks WB = Jozu blocks
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These were both intros that happened back to back.
The fact of the matter is the character had to be a solid top tier to provide sufficient hype for the commanders. This is why Kizaru and Mihawk were the ones to do it.
Aside from that you have your usual Mihawk is the Worlds Strongest Swordsman claim which draws direct comparisons with Shanks a Yonkou who was Mihawk's rival. And then ofcourse he is set up to be one of Zoro's endgame opponents. Zoro himself has been paralleled with Rayleigh, who even at his old age was able to
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quite evenly for a good bit. Zoro's endgame goal is to surpass Mihawk, Zoro is destined to be atleast Admiral level. If Mihawk is not close to that level he won't provide the means for Zoro to surpass or even match Rayleigh. But these are EOS deals, they aren't set in stone yet you should get the gist, either way it's up to you to believe if Mihawk is at that level or not, at this moment he hasn't done jack shit or even put any effort into anything. It doesn't hurt that he has feats like this while being extremely casual though.
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Shanks never fought with anything other than his sword and People still got balls to say he not a swordsman based on a feeling
Yeah so ? I'm not denying that in my post. But that is your only automatically generated response because you don't have anything else.
Beep boop Shanks is swordsman therefore Mihawk stronger mecha.
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What I was saying was that Mihawk can be the better swordsman and have better swordsplay, while Shanks is twice is fast for example and knocks him in the back of the head.
Or where Mihawk is the better swordsman, but can't penetrate Shanks' haki
Also you're kidding yourself if you don't think that there isn't anything more to Shanks as a yonkou than him just being a one armed swordsman. Just look at soul eating, earth quaking, black holing, invincible friends he has in the yonkou club and here you are saying yeah he is a yonkou because he can sword real good with one arm .
There are a million ways for Shanks to beat Mihawk you're just too limited to think of one other than a swordfight. And in that case you fall back on Mihawks title. Still doesn't take away the fact that Shanks is one of the for strongest pirates in the world, and Mihawk isn't.
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I just like how the "take Mihawk's sword away" squad doesn't apply the same logic when it comes Zoro vs threads
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