Can we please have a logical discussion as to why people think Sasuke > Naruto

[Tantalus Thief]

There is.There should be only MangaBase.net no NarutoBase.


....:wesobi: I miss old times

It used to be Minato Kakashi and Itachi fanboys **** measuring along with the Naruto and Sasuke fans.

 

[To Whatever]

It's believed that Sasuke can win the fight based on preta path's ability to absorb chakra. It's commonly argued that Sasuke can absorb Naruto's attacks no matter the scale and do something such as store it inside his Susanoo.

The issue is that:

-Sasuke hasn't displayed a feat of using preta path like that *Which brings in the epilogue=mastery*
-Sasuke hasn't displayed most of his other paths leading to speculation.

 

[Retsu]

Some ppl just like being blind, obviously if naruto can stalemate sasuke and ALL the bijuu while tired a fresh one dominates him alone, sasuke loses the second a clone goes off to gather natural energy.

 

[super michael]

I think being a Jinchuuriki gives more power than anyone think, I just remembered look at Naruto vs Pain battle.

When Pain most powerful body gained his power, Pain was able to beat Naruto, Naruto at that point lost the battle since there was nothing he could do till he transformed to Kurama.

When Naruto was in Kurama mode, Kurama was able to tank Pain attack and even deflect the attack instead, that is overpowered, heck even Pain most powerful attack chikabu tensei, Kurama was stilling escaping and he was only on 8 tails, not 9 tails.

My point is Nagato who is a Uzumaki with Rinnengan is way weaker than Kurama.

Naruto main thing which powers him up is Kurama, not just his Uzumaki blood line, while Sasuke is powered up by his bloodline. Sasuke implanting his eye is part of the Uchiha blood line, while Uzumaki or any human isn't part of their blood line to be Jinchuuriki.

 

[thood]

It's believed that Sasuke can win the fight based on preta path's ability to absorb chakra. It's commonly argued that Sasuke can absorb Naruto's attacks no matter the scale and do something such as store it inside his Susanoo.

The issue is that:

-Sasuke hasn't displayed a feat of using preta path like that *Which brings in the epilogue=mastery*
-Sasuke hasn't displayed most of his other paths leading to speculation.

Hm.. Yes I agree with this... If people are too assume that Sasuke has other outer path abilites from his rinnegan but simply hasn't displayed it, then wouldn't it be fair to also assume that Naruto maintained his goudama and flying abilities but simply hasn't displayed them?

 

[the entire forum]

sasuke's abilities allows him to neg naruto

for example core CT, what naruto gonna do?

sasuke uses target as core for CT

or just simple teleporting... sword to his head

etc

naruto has only 2 jutsu - balls and kage bunshin, which sasuke counters easily

 

[thood]

I think being a Jinchuuriki gives more power than anyone think, I just remembered look at Naruto vs Pain battle.

When Pain most powerful body gained his power, Pain was able to beat Naruto, Naruto at that point lost the battle since there was nothing he could do till he transformed to Kurama.

When Naruto was in Kurama mode, Kurama was able to tank Pain attack and even deflect the attack instead, that is overpowered, heck even Pain most powerful attack chikabu tensei, Kurama was stilling escaping and he was only on 8 tails, not 9 tails.

My point is Nagato who is a Uzumaki with Rinnengan is way weaker than Kurama.

Naruto main thing which powers him up is Kurama, not just his Uzumaki blood line, while Sasuke is powered up by his bloodline. Sasuke implanting his eye is part of the Uchiha blood line, while Uzumaki or any human isn't part of their blood line to be Jinchuuriki.

Kurama and Itachi's eyes are both crutches. You can't justify either one.

 

[thood]

sasuke's abilities allows him to neg naruto

for example core CT, what naruto gonna do?

sasuke uses target as core for CT

or just simple teleporting... sword to his head

etc

naruto has only 2 jutsu - balls and kage bunshin, which sasuke counters easily

If a 8 tailed kurama was able to break free from Pain's CT, I don't see why Kurama Avatar couldn't easily break out as well. Plus, CT's core can be destroyed with fire-power, so I say Naruto simply annihilates the core with one of his large-scale buster attacks before it can even begin to form CT.

Naruto's reflexes are better than that. Sasuke isn't going to be able to teleport a sword into Naruto. The only reason Naruto was hit by Shin was so that Kishi could display Shin's ability to move objects like that.

 

[Complex]

Kishi said they're equal

 

[Narutohokage324]

I still didn't see The Last.

Just watch the ending

 

[loj]

Just watch the ending

That's not it

 

[Seventh Sama]

Jokes aside. Naruto is the stronger one. Doesn't help the fact that naruto has full kurama now so ashura avatar would be at least twice as strong.

 

[super michael]

Kurama and Itachi's eyes are both crutches. You can't justify either one.

Actually I can every clan has unique genes and I list them

Uzumaki = high vitality and high quantity of chakra
Uchiha = high quality chakra potential to awaken Sharingan, MS and EMS
Hyuuga = Byakugan and being able to do gentle fist
Senju = Strong body and chakra

Those are the things which are the normal for their clan, the things that are not the normal are here:

Human becoming Jinchuuriki
Human getting Curse Mark and having Orochimaru chakra in their body stated by Kabuto here

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Those are things which no clan can get the natural way.

 

[the entire forum]

If a 8 tailed kurama was able to break free from Pain's CT, I don't see why Kurama Avatar couldn't easily break out as well. Plus, CT's core can be destroyed with fire-power, so I say Naruto simply annihilates the core with one of his large-scale buster attacks before it can even begin to form CT.

Naruto's reflexes are better than that. Sasuke isn't going to be able to teleport a sword into Naruto. The only reason Naruto was hit by Shin was so that Kishi could display Shin's ability to move objects like that.

core ct is when target used as core for CT, ....naruto have to destroy/kill himself to get out of core CT

ameno is instant, so reflex thing is doesnt matter, and about naruto having better reflex, doubt it, sasuke sharingan reflex is still better

 

[Retsu]

sasuke's abilities allows him to neg naruto

for example core CT, what naruto gonna do?

sasuke uses target as core for CT

or just simple teleporting... sword to his head

etc

naruto has only 2 jutsu - balls and kage bunshin, which sasuke counters easily

Get real, if he makes naruto a ct core naturally he just climbs out. Pretty sure that's why he genjutsu'd all the bijuu before using ct on them, otherwise they could climb out themselves.

 

[thood]

Actually I can every clan has unique genes and I list them

Uzumaki = high vitality and high quantity of chakra
Uchiha = high quality chakra potential to awaken Sharingan, MS and EMS
Hyuuga = Byakugan and being able to do gentle fist
Senju = Strong body and chakra

Those are the things which are the normal for their clan, the things that are not the normal are here:

Human becoming Jinchuuriki
Human getting Curse Mark and having Orochimaru chakra in their body stated by Kabuto here

You must be registered for see links

Those are things which no clan can get the natural way.

Sasuke's own Sharigan was his own power, but as soon as he implanted Itachi's eyes he was using a crutch. Sasuke without Itachi's eyes = blind fodder. Just because he implanted a sharingan from the same bloodline doesn't make it any less of a crutch. That's like saying that Kurama isn't a crutch because it was extracted from an Uzumaki before it was sealed into Naruto which is the same bloodline.

 

[the entire forum]

Get real, if he makes naruto a ct core naturally he just climbs out. Pretty sure that's why he genjutsu'd all the bijuu before using ct on them, otherwise they could climb out themselves.

he is core so how he gonna climbs out?....

by the for noobs nagato's CT is stronger than deva paths CT,

 

[thood]

he is core so how he gonna climbs out?....

by the for noobs nagato's CT is stronger than deva paths CT,

Like this.... Or look at your Sig.....

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[DeathXVII]

sasuke's abilities allows him to neg naruto

for example core CT, what naruto gonna do?

sasuke uses target as core for CT

or just simple teleporting... sword to his head

etc

naruto has only 2 jutsu - balls and kage bunshin, which sasuke counters easily

Ha I remember there was a long thread in the Vs section talking about Sasuke's CT... some people think Naruto can escape the same way he did with Pains CT.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

In my opinion war-arc Naruto was already slightly stronger than Sasuke, but after the SO6P power-ups, I just cannot see how anyone could say Sasuke is stronger than/superior to Naruto in any way.... Naruto's feats before the power-ups already outclass Sasuke's and Naruto's power-ups from S06P were immensely better - Goudama (which he never even used), flying, ridiculous regeneration capabilities, & several new elemental release types from the tailed beasts. Sasuke got a Rinnegan which increased his doujutsu capabilities but nothing more. I'm honestly curious as to how any Sasuke fan could tell me that Sasuke would "solo nardo EZ neg diff" when Naruto's feats and power-ups easily surpass anything Sasuke has at his disposal. Please debate

I have nothing against Sasuke and he's honestly one of my favorite characters, but Kishi really ****ed him over by over-powering Naruto so much.

@bold Relax. No need to worry about Sasuke. Sasuke is just as powerful, it can be seen manifestly. Don't just judge Naruto's powers by quantity. Even if Naruto has infinite number of powers, if all of them can be countered by Sasuke, all that quantity instantly becomes worthless.

Naruto = Sasuke.

And you're seriously mistaken on the upgrades each received. You agree that both of them received enhancements to their powers. But @underlined, that's COMPLETELY wrong. Sasuke received even more abilities than Naruto with the Rinnegan. Naruto small amount of abilities aren't even comparable to the amount of powers Sasuke received.

You list all the things that Naruto gained in addition - "Goudama (which he never even used), flying, ridiculous regeneration capabilities, & several new elemental release types from the tailed beasts", but completely disregarded all the things that Sasuke gained like Deva Path (Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei, levitation), Asura Path (strength, speed and nukes), Preta Path (limitless absorption, chakra borrowing), Animal Path (so many immortal summons), Human Path (soul ripping), Naraka Path (body mending), Outer Path (you already know about that), Genjutsu Rinnegan (an extremely powerful unbreakable genjutsu), Ameno (S/T, swapping, changing enemy positions so their own attacks hit them, so much potential, dimension swapping), ability to use and master all chakra natures.