Can we all agree that Naruto is a prodigy or a genius?

[take it easy]

Yes, Naruto is pure genius.

Naruto is not a genius nor a prodigy but a hard worker.

Tell it Lee who worked hard just to learn only Taijutsu.

 

[DHOH]

Yes, Naruto is pure genius.



Tell it Lee who worked hard just to learn only Taijutsu.

Lee didn't have the teachers, heritage, chakra and Kurama to help him.

 

[To Whatever]

Lee didn't have the teachers, heritage, chakra and Kurama to help him.

Wot..

He got trained by the green beast himself.

 

[DHOH]

Wot..

He got trained by the green beast himself.

Um.. Yea.. The he 'Green beast' was only good in Taijutsu and gates..

 

[Meowazziel]

Can we all agree that Naruto is a prodigy or a genius to some degree?

Like come on, he mastered sage mode and created different various Rasengan.

This is a feat that the 4th Hokage couldn't pull. The 4th Hokage was hailed as the most gifted prodigy or genius that the hidden leaf ever had according the manga.

The thing is you guys refused to acknowledge Sasuke's hard work due to his genes. Y'all claiming his Uchiha blood allowed him to achieve such level in a short period of time.

Then y'all claimed that it was Naruto "HARD WORK" that allow him to achieve to such level in a short amount of time as if his Uzumaki blood wasn't as blessing as the uchiha blood or didn't have a role in his hard work.

I know you folks see the logic here.

Naruto is a prodigy and a genius to some degree. So like I said before. He ain't the face of "hard work"!​

He is a talented late bloomer.

Look at how hard he worked for acknowledgement and to change people.
How he never gave up.
How he wasnt a genius for a part of his life due to being a late bloomer.
How he befriended the bijou.

That didnt look like accomplishing things through hard work to you?
Sure eventually he became a talented late bloomer, but that doesnt have to exclude the hard working type part.

One could say through his hard work his talent bloomed.
He can still be the face of hard work.

He wasnt a genius like Neji from the start for example.

 

[take it easy]

Lee didn't have the teachers, heritage, chakra and Kurama to help him.

Also he was untalented at everything beside taijutsu unlike Naruto.

 

[To Whatever]

Um.. Yea.. The he 'Green beast' was only good in Taijutsu and gates..

So teachers who specialize in one field aren't considered good teachers?

You wanna see someone who is truly a hard-worker with no one teaching them anything?

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[DHOH]

So teachers who specialize in one field aren't considered good teachers?

Sounds about right

 

[To Whatever]

Sounds about right

So Fukasaku isn't a good teacher?

 

[Nagi]

He is a talented late bloomer.

Look at how hard he worked for acknowledgement and to change people.
How he never gave up.
How he wasnt a genius for a part of his life due to being a late bloomer.
How he befriended the bijou.

That didnt look like accomplishing things through hard work to you?
Sure eventually he became a talented late bloomer, but that doesnt have to exclude the hard working type part.

One could say through his hard work his talent bloomed.
He can still be the face of hard work.

He wasnt a genius like Neji from the start for example.

Umm nobody in the NV gave up working hard for their goal.

He only befriended all the bijuus because they didn't want to be Madara/obitio's pets. Even then, that shit ain't hard work really.

You're hyping up his "hard work" as if Nobody else ever worked hard for their goal in NV.

 

[Meowazziel]

Umm nobody in the NV gave up working hard for their goal.

He only befriended all the bijuus because they didn't want to be Madara/obitio's pets. Even then, that shit ain't hard work really.

You're hyping up his "hard work" as if Nobody else ever worked hard for their goal in NV.

You dont seem to remember or understand the story right.

Noone has ever befriended the bijou before Naruto(excluding Hagoromo).
They didnt just befriend Naruto because they didnt wanted to be Madara's and Obito's pets.
Than you have forgotten what happened.
Son Goku was kinda difficult in acknowledging and accepting Naruto, even though he would be Obito's pet if he
didnt.
Naruto won his trust. The same as he did for the others.
They started to believe that Naruto is the guy that Hagoromo spoke about.

So they didnt just befriend Naruto, because of Madara and Obito.

Not all shinobi have this ''never give up'' attitude as Naruto. They didnt push through with the hard work to never give up on the right path.
Most in the shinobi alliance wanted to give up, until Naruto's heart changed them.

And I never said that noone else worked hard for a goal.
That is your misinterpretation.

 

[chaos control]

Can we all agree that Naruto is a prodigy or a genius to some degree?

Like come on, he mastered sage mode and created different various Rasengan.

This is a feat that the 4th Hokage couldn't pull. The 4th Hokage was hailed as the most gifted prodigy or genius that the hidden leaf ever had according the manga.

The thing is you guys refused to acknowledge Sasuke's hard work due to his genes. Y'all claiming his Uchiha blood allowed him to achieve such level in a short period of time.

Then y'all claimed that it was Naruto "HARD WORK" that allow him to achieve to such level in a short amount of time as if his Uzumaki blood wasn't as blessing as the uchiha blood or didn't have a role in his hard work.

I know you folks see the logic here.

Naruto is a prodigy and a genius to some degree. So like I said before. He ain't the face of "hard work"!​

Here are some points to consider:

1. It doesn't necessarily take a genius to master sage mode. Jiraiya in his youth was the loser of the group just as Naruto was depicted to be. He was by no means hailed as a genius like Orochimaru, yet he gained sage mode. Ironically, Orochimaru who was hailed as a genius failed to master sage mode. In short, sage mode itself doesn't require prodigious talent. It just requires the proper training.

2. As for developing multiple rasengans, rasenshuriken (and the smaller variant wind style rasengan) were the only ones that actually took some real innovative thought to create (and anyone, genius or not, can come up with an innovative idea from time to time). All of the rasengan variants that he showcased in KCM during the war (such as planetary rasengan, absorption rasengan, mini rasenshuriken, etc...) were either just Naruto re-sizing his rasengans (which Jiraiya taught him how to do, and which is not that prodigious), or Naruto using multiple rasengans at once in conjunction with chakara arms (and Bee is the one who taught Naruto how to effectively use chakara arms, so it wasn't just some individual prodigious feat from Naruto). As for the mini-bijuudama, that just came as a result of Naruto mastering bijuu mode (which was a result of friendship, not prodigious talent). Now as for the other elemental rasengan variants that he got after obtaining RSM (such as lava or magnet), you must remember that RSM grants the user a comprehensive understanding of chakara. Therefore those weren't prodigious feats of Naruto, but more so gifts from Hagoromo and the bijuus.

3. Uzumaki blood doesn't have nearly as much of an effect on someone's power as Uchiha blood does. Sure Uzumaki blood gives one enhanced chakara reserves, durability and vitality, but none of those things alone actually add anything to the person's arsenal. You could have all the chakara and vitality in the world, but if you don't actually train and learn any techniques then you are screwed in a battle because simply having a large chakara reserve and vitality won't give you the offensive power necessary to defeat opponents. On the other hand, Uchiha blood automatically gives you the potential to awaken powerful dojutsu that actually do automatically add powerful offensive techniques to your arsenal. Now I'll admit that this doesn't really come into play until mangekyou, but once you hit mangekyou your power level has just sky rocketed even if you don't train that much. In other words, if Sarada decided to stop training and to start sitting on the couch and eating donuts 24/7, but then Chouchou died and Sarada awakened MS, then it wouldn't matter whether or not Sarada was fat and out of practice. Right then and there, Sarada would be able to stomp Boruto even if Boruto trained every day. Do you see what I mean here? You know that MS grants that kind of power.

Conclusion: I am not trying to discredit Sasuke's hard work because he did train hard as well. I am also not saying that Uzumaki genes are worthless or that Naruto is a complete moron. I am just saying that you are significantly under-valuing the amount of hard work that Naruto put in to reach his level of power. Naruto actually had to risk his life multiple times to achieve some of the techniques that he got (such as summoning jutsu, sage mode: he almost became a frog statue, KCM: he had to fight Kurama, etc...). That is more work than most other known shinobi have put in.

 

[Nagi]

You dont seem to remember or understand the story right.

Noone has ever befriended the bijou before Naruto(excluding Hagoromo).
They didnt just befriend Naruto because they didnt wanted to be Madara's and Obito's pets.
Than you have forgotten what happened.
Son Goku was kinda difficult in acknowledging and accepting Naruto, even though he would be Obito's pet if he
didnt.
Naruto won his trust. The same as he did for the others.
They started to believe that Naruto is the guy that Hagoromo spoke about.

So they didnt just befriend Naruto, because of Madara and Obito.

Not all shinobi have this ''never give up'' attitude as Naruto. They didnt push through with the hard work to never give up on the right path.
Most in the shinobi alliance wanted to give up, until Naruto's heart changed them.

And I never said that noone else worked hard for a goal.
That is your misinterpretation.

Again, they only befriended him because they didn't want to be Madara pets and Kurama already gave them the Go and said he is the one the old man was talking about. Shit was plot-no-jutsu. Nothing hard work about it.

ash becoming friends with charizard is real hard work compare to Naruto becoming friends with the bijuus.

Again, you're hyping Naruto's "work hard" as if his effect was greater than anybody else's in NV.

 

[Meowazziel]

Again, they only befriended him because they didn't want to be Madara pets and Kurama already gave them the Go and said he is the one the old man was talking about. Shit was plot-no-jutsu. Nothing hard work about it.

ash becoming friends with charizard is real hard work compare to Naruto becoming friends with the bijuus.

Again, you're hyping Naruto's "work hard" as if his effect was greater than anybody else's in NV.

Okay now you are just trolling probably.

Please reread the manga chapters around befriending Kurama and Son Goku and see how they acknowledge Naruto because of his actions and not because of just not wanting to be Madara and Obito's pet.

Kurama has given chakra once to Naruto vs Madara, because he preferred Naruto over Madara, but eventually he actually befriended Naruto and not for the reason of not wanting to be Madara's pet.

If they only chose Naruto's side to not become Madara's and Obito's pets, than they wouldnt see Naruto as the one that Hagoromo spoke about. If they only chose Naruto's side to not become Madara's and Obito's pets, than they wouldnt ackowledge Naruto after the war. But Kurama is still friends with Naruto and the bijou's were still too, right after Kaguya was defeated.

You either cant understand it yet or you are trolling.
I suspect the latter, seeing the spam threads on the same subject you made.

 

[Nagi]

Here are some points to consider:

1. It doesn't necessarily take a genius to master sage mode. Jiraiya in his youth was the loser of the group just as Naruto was depicted to be. He was by no means hailed as a genius like Orochimaru, yet he gained sage mode. Ironically, Orochimaru who was hailed as a genius failed to master sage mode. In short, sage mode itself doesn't require prodigious talent. It just requires the proper training.

2. As for developing multiple rasengans, rasenshuriken (and the smaller variant wind style rasengan) were the only ones that actually took some real innovative thought to create (and anyone, genius or not, can come up with an innovative idea from time to time). All of the rasengan variants that he showcased in KCM during the war (such as planetary rasengan, absorption rasengan, mini rasenshuriken, etc...) were either just Naruto re-sizing his rasengans (which Jiraiya taught him how to do, and which is not that prodigious), or Naruto using multiple rasengans at once in conjunction with chakara arms (and Bee is the one who taught Naruto how to effectively use chakara arms, so it wasn't just some individual prodigious feat from Naruto). As for the mini-bijuudama, that just came as a result of Naruto mastering bijuu mode (which was a result of friendship, not prodigious talent). Now as for the other elemental rasengan variants that he got after obtaining RSM (such as lava or magnet), you must remember that RSM grants the user a comprehensive understanding of chakara. Therefore those weren't prodigious feats of Naruto, but more so gifts from Hagoromo and the bijuus.

3. Uzumaki blood doesn't have nearly as much of an effect on someone's power as Uchiha blood does. Sure Uzumaki blood gives one enhanced chakara reserves, durability and vitality, but none of those things alone actually add anything to the person's arsenal. You could have all the chakara and vitality in the world, but if you don't actually train and learn any techniques then you are screwed in a battle because simply having a large chakara reserve and vitality won't give you the offensive power necessary to defeat opponents. On the other hand, Uchiha blood automatically gives you the potential to awaken powerful dojutsu that actually do automatically add powerful offensive techniques to your arsenal. Now I'll admit that this doesn't really come into play until mangekyou, but once you hit mangekyou your power level has just sky rocketed even if you don't train that much. In other words, if Sarada decided to stop training and to start sitting on the couch and eating donuts 24/7, but then Chouchou died and Sarada awakened MS, then it wouldn't matter whether or not Sarada was fat and out of practice. Right then and there, Sarada would be able to stomp Boruto even if Boruto trained every day. Do you see what I mean here? You know that MS grants that kind of power.

Conclusion: I am not trying to discredit Sasuke's hard work because he did train hard as well. I am also not saying that Uzumaki genes are worthless or that Naruto is a complete moron. I am just saying that you are significantly under-valuing the amount of hard work that Naruto put in to reach his level of power. Naruto actually had to risk his life multiple times to achieve some of the techniques that he got (such as summoning jutsu, sage mode: he almost became a frog statue, KCM: he had to fight Kurama, etc...). That is more work than most other known shinobi have put in.

1. That greatly improve the user. If Kakashi had those genes, he would shit on a lot of shinobis. So yes they do play a role.
2. Yes and No...Curse Mark was risky for Sasuke. But he mastered it and took control. His fight with Kurama, he was losing to the point that his mother had to come and save him.

I'm not knocking Naruto down. But he just ain't the face of "hard work". There are far more shinobi throughout NV that put in far more hard work than Naruto but didn't achieve the result they want.

In my eyes, when people say "X achieve this by hard work"..That is correct as long as another person can use that logic to get the same result.

In naruto's case, that's impossible. No other shinobi could follow his footstep and get the same result. Which make his "hard work" unrealistic.

In Sasuke's case, You almost pick another shinobi off the street and make him as strong as part 2 Sasuke through "hard work" training.

Like I said in my other thread... Sasuke is more of an average shinobi to the Uchiha clan than Naruto is to the Uzumaki clan. Meaning that other uchiha could reach to part 2 Sasuke level through training, but other Uzumaki can't.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

1. That greatly improve the user. If Kakashi had those genes, he would shit on a lot of shinobis. So yes they do play a role.
2. Yes and No...Curse Mark was risky for Sasuke. But he mastered it and took control. His fight with Kurama, he was losing to the point that his mother had to come and save him.

I'm not knocking Naruto down. But he just ain't the face of "hard work". There are far more shinobi throughout NV that put in far more hard work than Naruto but didn't achieve the result they want.

In my eyes, when people say "X achieve this by hard work"..That is correct as long as another person can use that logic to get the same result.

In naruto's case, that's impossible. No other shinobi could follow his footstep and get the same result. Which make his "hard work" unrealistic.

In Sasuke's case, You almost pick another shinobi off the street and make him as strong as part 2 Sasuke through "hard work" training.

Like I said in my other thread... Sasuke is more of an average shinobi to the Uchiha clan than Naruto is to the Uzumaki clan. Meaning that other uchiha could reach to part 2 Sasuke level through training, but other Uzumaki can't.

1. sasuke only mastered the curse mark because of the sound four...it was a power up...

2. name 1 ninja besides rock lee/might guy who worked naruto than naruto in the series...you cant

3. you take a random uchiha off the street and through training they can recieve the same level?...lol no

- sasuke was a genius even among the uchiha...which is why orochimaru called kid sasuke's eyes a dojutsu with more clarity than itachi...thats also why only 2 legit uchiha has ever been on sasuke's level...
- nobody among the uchiha will ever recieve a curse mark which means they will never achieve the same level as him...
- no uchiha has ever awakened the eternal mangekyo besides madara and sasuke...meaning this is a power up they will never have...
- no uchiha will ever recieve the rinnegan...lololololol
everyone in the naruto verse works hard...nobody in the naruto verse has worked harder than naruto besides lee and guy

 

[Nagi]

Mods deleted my other 2 threads. They might as well delete this one too!

 

[chaos control]

1. That greatly improve the user. If Kakashi had those genes, he would shit on a lot of shinobis. So yes they do play a role.
2. Yes and No...Curse Mark was risky for Sasuke. But he mastered it and took control. His fight with Kurama, he was losing to the point that his mother had to come and save him.

I'm not knocking Naruto down. But he just ain't the face of "hard work". There are far more shinobi throughout NV that put in far more hard work than Naruto but didn't achieve the result they want.

In my eyes, when people say "X achieve this by hard work"..That is correct as long as another person can use that logic to get the same result.

In naruto's case, that's impossible. No other shinobi could follow his footstep and get the same result. Which make his "hard work" unrealistic.

In Sasuke's case, You almost pick another shinobi off the street and make him as strong as part 2 Sasuke through "hard work" training.

Like I said in my other thread... Sasuke is more of an average shinobi to the Uchiha clan than Naruto is to the Uzumaki clan. Meaning that other uchiha could reach to part 2 Sasuke level through training, but other Uzumaki can't.

First bold: You may have missed the part after the first line you bolded. Having a lot of chakara and durability doesn't automatically grant you techniques like the mangekyou sharingan does. Even with a lot of chakara , you still have to train and learn techniques. Think of it like this:

You have an Uzuamki kid and an Uchiha kid. Now let's say that neither kid has trained a day in their life. They are both just fat and they just sit side by side on the couch eating donuts. They know no jutsus and they are as weak as civillians.

Now one day , a murderer comes and kills the parents of both kids which naturally upsets both of them. Now what happens to the kids' power levels here?

Uzumaki kid: Nothing, he is still weak as a civillian. Still knows no techniques.
Uchiha kid: Awakens sharingan and can now solo the neighborhood of civillians. If more tragedy happens again he gets mangekyou and can now solo the likes of jinchuuriki and kage level shinobi.

Do you see my point here? Without hard work and training , large chakara reserves and vitality do absolutely nothing.

2. I hate how people give Kushina all the credit for Naruto getting KCM. Naruto actually had Kurama beat in terms of physical battle. He slammed Kurama down and owned him with a rasenshuriken. He was then about to pull out the chakara. Kushina only helped with the emotional part when Naruto's emotions started to waver and Kurama's hatred started to take over. Overall it was Naruto's prowess with sage mode (which he worked hard for) that allowed him to beat Kurama. Kushina only helped with the emotions.

 

[chaos control]

1. That greatly improve the user. If Kakashi had those genes, he would shit on a lot of shinobis. So yes they do play a role.
2. Yes and No...Curse Mark was risky for Sasuke. But he mastered it and took control. His fight with Kurama, he was losing to the point that his mother had to come and save him.

I'm not knocking Naruto down. But he just ain't the face of "hard work". There are far more shinobi throughout NV that put in far more hard work than Naruto but didn't achieve the result they want.

In my eyes, when people say "X achieve this by hard work"..That is correct as long as another person can use that logic to get the same result.

In naruto's case, that's impossible. No other shinobi could follow his footstep and get the same result. Which make his "hard work" unrealistic.

In Sasuke's case, You almost pick another shinobi off the street and make him as strong as part 2 Sasuke through "hard work" training.

Like I said in my other thread... Sasuke is more of an average shinobi to the Uchiha clan than Naruto is to the Uzumaki clan. Meaning that other uchiha could reach to part 2 Sasuke level through training, but other Uzumaki can't.

First bold: You may have missed the part after the first line you bolded. Having a lot of chakara and durability doesn't automatically grant you techniques like the mangekyou sharingan does. Even with a lot of chakara , you still have to train and learn techniques. Think of it like this:

You have an Uzuamki kid and an Uchiha kid. Now let's say that neither kid has trained a day in their life. They are both just fat and they just sit side by side on the couch eating donuts. They know no jutsus and they are as weak as civillians.

Now one day , a murderer comes and kills the parents of both kids which naturally upsets both of them. Now what happens to the kids' power levels here?

Uzumaki kid: Nothing, he is still weak as a civillian. Still knows no techniques.
Uchiha kid: Awakens sharingan and can now solo the neighborhood of civillians. If more tragedy happens again he gets mangekyou and can now solo the likes of jinchuuriki and kage level shinobi.

Do you see my point here? Without hard work and training , large chakara reserves and vitality do absolutely nothing.

2. I hate how people give Kushina all the credit for Naruto getting KCM. Naruto actually had Kurama beat in terms of physical battle. He slammed Kurama down and owned him with a rasenshuriken. He was then about to pull out the chakara. Kushina only helped with the emotional part when Naruto's emotions started to waver and Kurama's hatred started to take over. Overall it was Naruto's prowess with sage mode (which he worked hard for) that allowed him to beat Kurama. Kushina only helped with the emotions.

 

[Tyris]

Yes, Naruto is pure genius.



Tell it Lee who worked hard just to learn only Taijutsu.

Troll... he's the Green beast trained under the Blue beast because he isn't capable of genjutsu or ninjutsu... hence being a genius of hardwork by pushing himself even as a kid past his own limits to 5g in p1.

Guy should be blue since that's before death (red vapor) with Lee as green till gaiden