Can we all agre that kakashi has better chances of beating...

[EZQ]

Itachi: This was a stomp-win for itachi, but now with kamui fits and his new S/T jutsu this is a hard win for itachi

MS Sasuke: This was a low- diff for sasuke, but now i think kakashi wins high diff (EMS sasuke wins)

Kakuzu: This was a med- diff to him when they fought, but now this is a low diff for kakashi IMO.

Danzo: Against current kakashi, i can't see danzo wining without KA, kakashi has a counter for izanagi, with KA, danzo stomps

 

[Joon]

No.

 

[NovaSasuke]

Maybe.

 

[nibilbhai]

Maybe.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

No
Yes
No
No

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Itachi Mabey the rest three no.

 

[Takos]

Itachi: This was a stomp-win for itachi, but now with kamui fits and his new S/T jutsu this is a hard win for itachi

MS Sasuke: This was a low- diff for sasuke, but now i think kakashi wins high diff (EMS sasuke wins)

Kakuzu: This was a med- diff to him when they fought, but now this is a low diff for kakashi IMO.

Danzo: Against current kakashi, i can't see danzo wining without KA, kakashi has a counter for izanagi, with KA, danzo stomps

Itachi: Itachi wins high diff or Kakashi wins high diff. Itachi has slightly higher chances, but it's negligible.
Sasuke: EMS Sasuke wins, but yeah, MS Sasuke would lose against Kakashi.
Kakuzu: Low to mid difficulty.
Danzo: Without KA, Kakashi wins. With KA, Danzo wins.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Itachi: Itachi wins high diff or Kakashi wins high diff. Itachi has slightly higher chances, but it's negligible.
Sasuke: EMS Sasuke wins, but yeah, MS Sasuke would lose against Kakashi.
Kakuzu: Low to mid difficulty.
Danzo: Without KA, Kakashi wins. With KA, Danzo wins.

How do you expect kakashi to beat danzo minus the fact he has KA

 

[Takos]

How do you expect kakashi to beat danzo minus the fact he has KA

Considering the fact that even shurikens were able to kill Danzo, it's not hard to imagine.

 

[psukkar]

Some people don't understand that sometimes matchup can determine who wins. Like gai vs kisame, gai owned him on the very fact that kisame couldn't absorb gai's attacks due not being chakra. The whole method kisame fighting style is absorbing chakra and that caused a bad matchup.

This case maybe the same. but it also doesn't mean kashahi is stronger than itachi or sasuke for example

 

[enuzuki]

Other then Danzo it's pretty much a gunslinger fight...By that i mean whoever shoots first wins, but then again Kakashi can probably dodge they attacks from Itachi and sasuke. But it's an easier job dealing with Kakuzu since we've seen that he doesn't one shot Kakashi...But then again Sasuke doesn't either. actually a quick kamui will take care of Sasuke easy enough. Now before some of you flip let me elaborate on it.

-sasuke- he's rash and arrogant, Kakashi would be able to get him with kamui.

-itachi- This would be considerable harder since Itachi is very intelligent...So i would boil it down to a gunslinger, tsukyomi vs kamui.

-kakuzu- Well honestly i believe this would be the easiest for Kakashi, Kakuzu with his thread fully out would make a big target, and we've seen that he doesn't on shot him, so even if he misses his chance or the mark, he has more opportunities to land the kamui.

-Danzo- Honestly i'm not sure whether izanagi can be used to come back from Kamui, but if it isn't possible Kakashi has a chance toone shot him.

*disclaimer* Bear in mind that even when characters in Naruto could one shot people with there most powerful technique, they didn't since it would be anti-climactic, but it's possible if we take entertainment out of the equation.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Considering the fact that even shurikens were able to kill Danzo, it's not hard to imagine.

That was a well thought plan by sasuke, so what a shuriken killed him well it did not kill him I believe it cut his arm off..kakashi does not have a bird summon tO help throw a shuriken at the guy now does he...you think becuz a shuriken killed him kakashi can beat him well that's stupid the main reason sasuke won was because of susano arrows they wer to fast an that's something kakashi does not have danzo would win if they fought even without KA.

 

[Takos]

That was a well thought plan by sasuke, so what a shuriken killed him well it did not kill him I believe it cut his arm off..kakashi does not have a bird summon tO help throw a shuriken at the guy now does he...you think becuz a shuriken killed him kakashi can beat him well that's stupid the main reason sasuke won was because of susano arrows they wer to fast an that's something kakashi does not have danzo would win if they fought even without KA.

So what if Kakashi doesn't have Susanoo arrows? He has Kamui, which is much better than Susanoo arrows (Danzo was able to use mokuton to avoid an arrow. That would not work with Kamui). Considering his current chakra, Kakashi is definitely able to use Kamui at least 10 times or more, so that is not a problem - not to mention a fact that Kamui is not the only thing which can force Danzo to use Izanagi - even a kunai infused with raiton could do the job. Unless you want to tell me that it's impossible to hit Danzo with it even if shuriken was able to.

On the other hand, Danzo conserved strength against Sasuke because he thought he would need it against Tobi after defeating Sasuke. So an all-out Danzo might indeed be able to defeat Kakashi.
Danzo using as much power as against Sasuke, though? Not likely at all, with Kakashi having superior intelligence to Sasuke and a superior attack (Kamui>Susanoo arrow, as I said)

Some people don't understand that sometimes matchup can determine who wins. Like gai vs kisame, gai owned him on the very fact that kisame couldn't absorb gai's attacks due not being chakra. The whole method kisame fighting style is absorbing chakra and that caused a bad matchup.

This case maybe the same. but it also doesn't mean kashahi is stronger than itachi or sasuke for example

True, but then again - how can we define strength objectively?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

So what if Kakashi doesn't have Susanoo arrows? He has Kamui, which is much better than Susanoo arrows (Danzo was able to use mokuton to avoid an arrow. That would not work with Kamui). Considering his current chakra, Kakashi is definitely able to use Kamui at least 10 times or more, so that is not a problem - not to mention a fact that Kamui is not the only thing which can force Danzo to use Izanagi - even a kunai infused with raiton could do the job. Unless you want to tell me that it's impossible to hit Danzo with it even if shuriken was able to.

On the other hand, Danzo conserved strength against Sasuke because he thought he would need it against Tobi after defeating Sasuke. So an all-out Danzo might indeed be able to defeat Kakashi.
Danzo using as much power as against Sasuke, though? Not likely at all, with Kakashi having superior intelligence to Sasuke and a superior attack (Kamui>Susanoo arrow, as I said)




True, but then again - how can we define strength objectively?

Lol use kamui 10times I don't believed he used it ten times yet fighting orbito plus that's just because he's trying to protect naruto his will power is allowing him to fight longer..danzo has a lot of izanagi an other jutsu kakashi will have to deal with..like his wind jutsu an that big thing trying to suck everything in.

 

[Takos]

Lol use kamui 10times I don't believed he used it ten times yet fighting orbito plus that's just because he's trying to protect naruto his will power is allowing him to fight longer..danzo has a lot of izanagi an other jutsu kakashi will have to deal with..like his wind jutsu an that big thing trying to suck everything in.

When he entered the battle against Obito and bijuus, Kakashi had already used up some chakra in the battle against swordsmen.
Then he used a kage bunshin, which means his remaining chakra was divided into two.
In other words, he performed 5 kamuis while having less than half of his chakra. If he hadn't used any other techniques besides kamui and kage bunshin, we could surely state he could do 10 kamuis. Because of the fact that he had used a whole bunch of other techniques though (bunch of raikiris and a doton wall) it's clear that he can do MORE than 10 kamuis on full chakra.

Also, the argument "he can do so many because he tries to protect Naruto" is rather poor. If he can do it, it means he has chakra to do it, which means he can do it in any situation.

 

[thegame]

Not sure what arguments would make Danzo win. Cause he said he needed to save it for Obito? There is no evidence of what KA is actually capable off. The one used on Itachi just overwrote the commands the edo tensei contract gave him, with commands to protect Konoha. Danzos KA is by many means different from this, since he didn't need eye contact, and he needed less to prepare it. Most likely it is a lot weaker than the one Itachi used. All in all it would depend entirely on information, who knows most about the other, and that would probably be Danzo, but then again Kakashi was told about shisuis sharingan by Gaara, so who knows..

 

[thegame]

When he entered the battle against Obito and bijuus, Kakashi had already used up some chakra in the battle against swordsmen.
Then he used a kage bunshin, which means his remaining chakra was divided into two.
In other words, he performed 5 kamuis while having less than half of his chakra. If he hadn't used any other techniques besides kamui and kage bunshin, we could surely state he could do 10 kamuis. Because of the fact that he had used a whole bunch of other techniques though (bunch of raikiris and a doton wall) it's clear that he can do MORE than 10 kamuis on full chakra.

Also, the argument "he can do so many because he tries to protect Naruto" is rather poor. If he can do it, it means he has chakra to do it, which means he can do it in any situation.

Also I wouldn't say that the amount of times he can use Kamui has much to do with his chakra levels. It has something to do with the size of it, and it has something to do with the capability of his sharingan. We have seen this from Sasuke many times. When he can't maintain the sharingan any longer, he still usually have chakra left for Chidori or something else.

 

[Takos]

Also I wouldn't say that the amount of times he can use Kamui has much to do with his chakra levels. It has something to do with the size of it, and it has something to do with the capability of his sharingan. We have seen this from Sasuke many times. When he can't maintain the sharingan any longer, he still usually have chakra left for Chidori or something else.

Could you give an example? I believe Uchihas' Sharingan chakra consuption is so unsignificant that it doesn't matter for them whether they keep it active or not in terms of chakra.

 

[thegame]

Could you give an example? I believe Uchihas' Sharingan chakra consuption is so unsignificant that it doesn't matter for them whether they keep it active or not in terms of chakra.

Alright. After Sasuke fought Danzo, he was injuried and almost out of chakra, however, yet he was able to use susano against Kakashi, but when Naruto arrived, he couldn't maintain the sharingan anymore. You may say he was almost blind / used it up or whatever, but he should still be able to use 3 tomoe:

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He still had chakra for chidori obviously. I think for Kakashi, we have seen him use kamui just a few times, and he sort of passed out, but it seemed to be a side effect from the sharingan, and not from chakra exhaustion. Now I'm not saying that it means that Kakashi can't use sharingan more times than what he did. As you stated he was missing chakra, but that might not mean that if he had used 50 % chakra, he could use kamui a lot more. It's harder with Kakashi since it seems that his suffering from the side affects are worse than an actual Uchiha using MS abilities.

 

[Takos]

Alright. After Sasuke fought Danzo, he was injuried and almost out of chakra, however, yet he was able to use susano against Kakashi, but when Naruto arrived, he couldn't maintain the sharingan anymore. You may say he was almost blind / used it up or whatever, but he should still be able to use 3 tomoe:

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He still had chakra for chidori obviously. I think for Kakashi, we have seen him use kamui just a few times, and he sort of passed out, but it seemed to be a side effect from the sharingan, and not from chakra exhaustion. Now I'm not saying that it means that Kakashi can't use sharingan more times than what he did. As you stated he was missing chakra, but that might not mean that if he had used 50 % chakra, he could use kamui a lot more. It's harder with Kakashi since it seems that his suffering from the side affects are worse than an actual Uchiha using MS abilities.

I think that either Sasuke deactivated it, or it was just a Kishi's way of saying "Sasuke's going blind" - he might have had the Sharingan active, just not visible due to his eye changes that occured when he went half-blind.

The hint of the fact that it's indeed chakra that limits Kakashi's usage of Kamui is right here:

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Kakashi obviously refers to Kamui when he says "considering my remaining chakra I can only use it a few more times".