Can the Yata Mirror defend against the Juubi's attacks?
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due to bullshit OUTDATED THIRD DATABOOK hype, yes
Due to The manga... I hardly doubt Yata Mirror can even tank Kurama's tailed beast bomb... so Ten tails would shatter it most likely, of course we can't know for sure. Reason why Yata Mirror's hype is unjustified is because it was hardly on panels where it was only tested against just sword and Eight headed hydra of Orochimaru and Explosion from explosive note. However It has no feats against Kamui, Tailed beast bomb, Tenpen Chi even Chakra arm..., many statements are contradictiing in the databook or at least The databook statements are contradicted later by The manga... Third databook is old and outdated most likely so it is not accurate source of information... but basing on hype... Itachi fanboys always states Yata mirror > Final form Ten tails's Tailed beast bomb... which sounds ridiculous to me.
Due to The manga... I hardly doubt Yata Mirror can even tank Kurama's tailed beast bomb... so Ten tails would shatter it most likely, of course we can't know for sure. Reason why Yata Mirror's hype is unjustified is because it was hardly on panels where it was only tested against just sword and Eight headed hydra of Orochimaru and Explosion from explosive note. However It has no feats against Kamui, Tailed beast bomb, Tenpen Chi even Chakra arm..., many statements are contradictiing in the databook or at least The databook statements are contradicted later by The manga... Third databook is old and outdated most likely so it is not accurate source of information... but basing on hype... Itachi fanboys always states Yata mirror > Final form Ten tails's Tailed beast bomb... which sounds ridiculous to me.
Sure by hype
But with Yata Mirror lack of manga feats against Tailed beast bomb, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Dust release, Perfect Sussano slashes, Ten tails Tailed beast bomb, Obito's "turn all Ninjutsu into nothing" stuff, Tenpen Chi... etc. I say it is extremely unlikely... I could go even as far and say that Gyuuki's tailed beast bomb could be limit of yata by powerwise with only Chibaku Tensei, Dust release and Perfect Sussano and also Kamui being > Yata due to being bigger hax.
By Actual Manga feats Yata Mirror only defend against small explosion(from explosive notes), Fire release techniques, Water release techniques, Earth release techniques, Wind release techniques and Lightining release techniques, also against physical object as Eight headed Hydra.
By Actual manga feats Yata Mirror may or may not to defend against Tailed beast bomb(Ying yang release), Obito "Turn all Ninjutsu into nothing" element(Ying Yang relesae), Ying release(Genjutsu), bloodline limits(two elements combined and used at the same time), Bloodline Selections(three elements combined and used at the same time), Senjutsu attacks, Sussano's attacks, Amaterasu, Shinra Tensei, Bansho Tenin, Chibaku Tensei, The God tree's attacks, Thousand arms statue of Hashirama, Tengai Shinsei(Meteorite technique) etc. I don't say that this is not possible for yata to defends against these attacks but it can go either way.
However following logic of shounen manga almost every things which come out later are better then previous ones as power level increases etc.
Considering that Yata Mirror wasn't even used against Chibaku Tensei... I say that Kishi could give us small hints that Yata Mirror has limits and can't defend against some attacks.
I won't say that this is not possible but still very unlikely
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While this is my opinion I believe Yata has no limits power wise because it's similar to Obito's Onmyoudon which turns jutsu meaningless. Yata in regards to the DB turns attacks that come into contact with it to lose it's meaning because of it's special ability. Even if it is bar featless in the manga we can't just outright ignore how it works.True due to hype
But with Yata Mirror lack of manga feats against Tailed beast bomb, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Dust release, Perfect Sussano slashes, Ten tails Tailed beast bomb, Obito's "turn all Ninjutsu into nothing" stuff, Tenpen Chi... etc. I say it is extremely unlikely... I could go even as far and say that Gyuuki's tailed beast bomb could be limit of yata by powerwise with only Chibaku Tensei, Dust release and Perfect Sussano and also Kamui being > Yata due to being bigger hax.
^^ true... It simple further proves that vs threads with any character against Itachi are pointless when Itachi can NOT beat them without these weapons but is forced to use Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade. For example Itachi can defeats Tsunade without These weapons with Just Sussano or even amaterasu or Tsukyiomii(sorry for spelling) and this make sense. Also using Yata Mirror makes only sense against elements, techniques proved to be defended by Yata as: Five basic elemental techniques(Fire, wind etc.), physcial object, small explosions and summons(as Orochimaru's hydra)... but for example against Tailed beast bomb is featless.
That why It doesn't make sense to make Itachi vs Naruto thread for example because outcome most likely depends if yata Mirror can protect Itachi from Tailed beast bomb or no... unfortunetly we can't say: "yes, it can" or "no , it can't" because it is just our opinion until Kishi proves one from our opinion to be true... then this debate will be pointless ending in useless arguing with each other.
That is reason why I don't like Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade to be introduced in the manga... because Kishi should show them able to defend againts one of the most powerfull techniques so we can says yata is invincible or show Yata Mirror's limit proving that yata can't defends against some attacks... either way it would make Naruto characters vs threads against Itachi less complicated and clear. Itachi's fanboys wouldn't be annoying for us because if Yata is supperior then we could agree with them... but if Yata has limit then Itachi's fanboys would claim whatever they want but we would know tuth.
Same for Totsuka Blade... show us it piercing The most powefull/thickest characters/monster then seal it without possibility of getting out from dream like world so we can claim it is invincible or show's it limits... Kishi.
Thanks for nice debate
, I really hope for Kishi to bring these weapons back int the manga to prove or disprove their's hype. If not, then at least I expect something in Fourth databook stated on Yata Mirror and Totsuka blade, about their limits or lack of their limits.EDIT: You compared Yata Mirror to Obito's Onmyoudon, which turns Ninjutsu meaningless... then what about Senjutsu attacks ?, they worked on Obito and Itachi doesn't know Sage mode or any from of using nature energy... Could it mean that Senjutsu attacks can bypass yata Mirror ?, What do you think Dante ?
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No it can't. 10tail is Too powerful.
U can't say one of the seven sword man (the guy who own a blade could crush any defance) could destroy madara's PS because "PS is a defance".. Sometime charecter can over hype other charecter.
U can't say one of the seven sword man (the guy who own a blade could crush any defance) could destroy madara's PS because "PS is a defance".. Sometime charecter can over hype other charecter.
Yes it can, the yata mirror is a magical, spiritual weapon. The juubi has power but the yata mirror has more than that. Saying that the juubi can shatter it is like saying you cant seal the juubi either (nothing works on it). All attacks become meaningless. If there are jutsus out there that can overpower the juubi then tell me why this magical ninja tool can't do the same when its clearly been stated to defend against all attacks.
Comparing Sealing techniques and shield, which is assumable able to defend Ten tails attacks is simply wrong. This is flawed logic because Sealing techniques work completly differently in compare to Defence. Sealing technique does not need to deflect anything or overpower something... It is just based on skills which allow you to absorb, contain something in your body or scroll etc. Again... you are comparing offensive capability with defensive capability which is wrong. Ten tails may be be affected by some techniques as Amaterasu but it doesn't mean that Amaterasu > Juubi but just it can only harm it. However for Yata Mirror to deflect Ten tails's Tailed beast bomb, yata would have to be > Juubi which could lead us to conclusion Yata Mirror > Ten tails's Tailed beast bomb.
Besides this is simply shounen manga, where new feats appearing on screen overshadow and in most case surprass previous feats. It doesn't mean that younger generation > Older generation, but just Character as Madara who appeared later on screen then Itachi(even although he lived before Itachi) is stronger and more powerfull then Itachi(who's screen time ended earlier.) I don't say that Yata Mirror can't or is incapable of defeding against all attacks... but it simply lack manga feats against so overpowered/hax Techniques like: Kamui, Tailed beast bomb etc.
Now, you may bring Minato's Space time barrier and say that it sent Tailed beast bomb somewhere else, but That it mean that Minato's ST barrier > Tailed beast bomb ?. Of course, no because Minato's space time barrier didn't nullify Tailed beast bomb but just moved/teleported it somewhere else... but input of power/chakra stayed same.
In Yata Mirror' case , Mirror would have to nullify/overpower attack to deflect it, turn it back or simply nullify it. It seems very unlikely but not impossible.
For Now I will wait and see If Yata Mirror's and Totsuka Blade's hype will be justified by manga panels or no... until Then This is poinless argue that Yata can/can't defend against all attacks. Let's wait for feats before we jump to conclusions that what I say.
I hope you will get my point
PS. I am not hater of Itachi or Yata and Totsuka weapons but Just stating my opinion basing on The manga and Databook entry.
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No it can't. Yata mirror possess all elemental affinities via hype, but Obito's Onmyoudon renders all ninjutsu to nothing, so if they were to go in contact against each other, the elemental affinities that yata mirror possess helping into countering ninjutsu according to the attack received won't work since they would be nullified
The bolds are you making stuff up.
Show me the scan where seals work differently than a magical, spiritual weapon? How do you know the mechanics behind yata compared to seals? Since a seal can contain the juubi then tell me why a weapon imbued with magical properties cant.
The seal needs to overpower what its sealing, otherwise it will break free. Case & point, hashirama's gates that stopped the juubi, but were fodder to juubito. So with the yata mirror, if there is a seal out there that can overpower the juubi, then tell me why a legendary weapon with magical properties cant do it. It defies the realm of the living, it has no physical form to be destroyed. It is not an actual weapon, it is something that is programmed to deflect all attacks.
Yata mirror is > juubi because it is not an item that is connected to the physical world (unlike the juubi).
No, hype is disregarded when its contradicted by the manga, show me yata mirror shattering or cracking then this can be used as a valid point.
@Bold: Prove that yata can't nullify the juubi's tbb. Otherwise you are wrong & the hype stays until contradicted.
No, until its proven otherwise then anybody contradicting yata's hype is flat out denying manga & DB scans.For Now I will wait and see If Yata Mirror's and Totsuka Blade's hype will be justified by manga panels or no... until Then This is poinless argue that Yata can/can't defend against all attacks. Let's wait for feats before we jump to conclusions that what I say.
I hope you will get my point
If your opinion was correct then you would realize than yata is backed up by multiple sources while being contradicted by none. Saying that the juubi tbb can break it simply based on judgements isnt going to cut it. Facts are facts & facts say that yata has the power to stop a juubi tbb.
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@ Draphsin
First, Ok I agree with you, but It seems like you don't understand how Shounen manga works... The further story moves forward then more powerfull attacks and defences appears surprassing prevous ones. In The final or the end of shounen manga power level reach top of the op, hax and power level of series, in result surprassing surprassing everything shown before.
Second, Yata Mirror's and Totsuka Blade's hype can NOT be contradicted now in the manga because Kishi didn't give chance for that, as he didn't bring them back into manga, especially when the manga is at the final stage where power level skyrocketed. It simply makes Yata's unjustified but just pure hype against The most powerfull attacks which were introduced after Yata and Totsuka. There must be reason why Kishi didn't bring mirror back... and if it was living to it's hype then Kishi would bring it no problem and prove it hype... but actually he didn't bring it because he is afraid that he would have to contradict Yata's showing it's limit.
Third, Where was Yata Mirror when Itachi was pulled towards black orb which attracts objects from all directions and pulls them into the sphere compressing them simultaneously. Exactly this orb was attracting also Itachi along with Killer Bee and Naruto, how Itachi could be even sure that their strongest attack work ? or maybe he simply knows that Yata Mirror will be useless against that kind of techinque... wait, but just could contradict The databoook hype... , but If Chibaku Tensei is > Yata Mirror then maybe other Op techniques as: Kamui, Tailed beast bomb, Dust release, PS slashes, Tengai Shinsei(Meteorite Technique) etc. could bypass Yata Mirror as well... why not ?
Fourth, Why didn't Itachi pull Yata Mirror when He and Sasuke were attacked by Kabuto's Sage technique: White rage Technique which not only blinded them but attacked their hearing sense... He couldn't know if he can maintain Sussano for long enough and even then that he will protect Sasuke in time. Another proof that yata Mirror wasn't used... Same situation with Muki Tensei, Itachi and Sasuke were suddenly attacked by Kabuto technique... and I didn't see Itachi pulling Yata Mirror to protect them... strange, or maybe this was Kishi indirect message that White rage technique > Yata Mirror. I could go even further as say that Yata Mirror can protect from genjutsu as well... as Tayuya's genjutsu utilised by Kabuto affected Itachi and Sasuke.
Please do not says that Itachi doesn;t have Yata Mirror as Edo Tensei, or that he lost it or it was stolen from him after his death..., because Edo Tensei breaks and overwrites almost any rule... besides Itachi still had Totsuka Blade to seal Nagato... so what he had Totsuka but lost Yata Mirror ? I say bullshit.
Actually, by my post I contradicted Yata Mirror's hype already by using Just manga evidences, where Itachi could pull Yata Mirror but didn't do it without any reason. I Proved that at least Yata Mirror can't protect Itachi from Genjutsu, Gravity force(Shinra Tensei, Bansho Tenin and Chibiaku Tensei), Sage techniques in general(Muki Tensei and White rage technique).
However The most interesting fact is that After Ressurection of Itachi, Yata Mirror wasn't even brought once time. Strange, don't you think ? I am sure that if Kishi wanted to prove Yata Mirror's hype then he has a lot of moments in the manga to do that, instead indirectly he sent us message "Yata Mirror can't defend against these attacks", it easy to read and understand. The reason why Yata Mirror wasn't brought even once is because all attacks introduced after Yata Mirror can bypass/break/shatter Mirror or simply Mirror can defends against these attacks even if Mirror itself is indestructible.
In short, Totsuka blade's hype was justified when it was shown to work against Edo Nagato because it was reintroduced into story to show how op it is and prove to all of us that Totsuka's hype keep it's meaning. Same could be done with Yata Mirror, but Kishi didn't reintroduce it cause he didn't want to show it used against new powerfull attacks because he would be forced to contradict his earlier statement, showing limit of Yata by breaking/shattering it or simply Yata being unable to stop incommng attacks.
Ok, thanks for reading
Drasphin, your turn. Prove me wrong
First, Ok I agree with you, but It seems like you don't understand how Shounen manga works... The further story moves forward then more powerfull attacks and defences appears surprassing prevous ones. In The final or the end of shounen manga power level reach top of the op, hax and power level of series, in result surprassing surprassing everything shown before.
Second, Yata Mirror's and Totsuka Blade's hype can NOT be contradicted now in the manga because Kishi didn't give chance for that, as he didn't bring them back into manga, especially when the manga is at the final stage where power level skyrocketed. It simply makes Yata's unjustified but just pure hype against The most powerfull attacks which were introduced after Yata and Totsuka. There must be reason why Kishi didn't bring mirror back... and if it was living to it's hype then Kishi would bring it no problem and prove it hype... but actually he didn't bring it because he is afraid that he would have to contradict Yata's showing it's limit.
Third, Where was Yata Mirror when Itachi was pulled towards black orb which attracts objects from all directions and pulls them into the sphere compressing them simultaneously. Exactly this orb was attracting also Itachi along with Killer Bee and Naruto, how Itachi could be even sure that their strongest attack work ? or maybe he simply knows that Yata Mirror will be useless against that kind of techinque... wait, but just could contradict The databoook hype... , but If Chibaku Tensei is > Yata Mirror then maybe other Op techniques as: Kamui, Tailed beast bomb, Dust release, PS slashes, Tengai Shinsei(Meteorite Technique) etc. could bypass Yata Mirror as well... why not ?
Fourth, Why didn't Itachi pull Yata Mirror when He and Sasuke were attacked by Kabuto's Sage technique: White rage Technique which not only blinded them but attacked their hearing sense... He couldn't know if he can maintain Sussano for long enough and even then that he will protect Sasuke in time. Another proof that yata Mirror wasn't used... Same situation with Muki Tensei, Itachi and Sasuke were suddenly attacked by Kabuto technique... and I didn't see Itachi pulling Yata Mirror to protect them... strange, or maybe this was Kishi indirect message that White rage technique > Yata Mirror. I could go even further as say that Yata Mirror can protect from genjutsu as well... as Tayuya's genjutsu utilised by Kabuto affected Itachi and Sasuke.
Please do not says that Itachi doesn;t have Yata Mirror as Edo Tensei, or that he lost it or it was stolen from him after his death..., because Edo Tensei breaks and overwrites almost any rule... besides Itachi still had Totsuka Blade to seal Nagato... so what he had Totsuka but lost Yata Mirror ? I say bullshit.
Actually, by my post I contradicted Yata Mirror's hype already by using Just manga evidences, where Itachi could pull Yata Mirror but didn't do it without any reason. I Proved that at least Yata Mirror can't protect Itachi from Genjutsu, Gravity force(Shinra Tensei, Bansho Tenin and Chibiaku Tensei), Sage techniques in general(Muki Tensei and White rage technique).
However The most interesting fact is that After Ressurection of Itachi, Yata Mirror wasn't even brought once time. Strange, don't you think ? I am sure that if Kishi wanted to prove Yata Mirror's hype then he has a lot of moments in the manga to do that, instead indirectly he sent us message "Yata Mirror can't defend against these attacks", it easy to read and understand. The reason why Yata Mirror wasn't brought even once is because all attacks introduced after Yata Mirror can bypass/break/shatter Mirror or simply Mirror can defends against these attacks even if Mirror itself is indestructible.
In short, Totsuka blade's hype was justified when it was shown to work against Edo Nagato because it was reintroduced into story to show how op it is and prove to all of us that Totsuka's hype keep it's meaning. Same could be done with Yata Mirror, but Kishi didn't reintroduce it cause he didn't want to show it used against new powerfull attacks because he would be forced to contradict his earlier statement, showing limit of Yata by breaking/shattering it or simply Yata being unable to stop incommng attacks.
Ok, thanks for reading
Drasphin, your turn. Prove me wrong
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