[Discussion] Can the marines afford another Marineford?

[Anduril]

Well as the title says, if a situation arises in which the red hair pirates and Mugiwara pirates and their allies were to attack the Marine HQ. can they afford a marineford #2? (Post skip)

Considering two of their strongest supporters,
Sengoku the buddha & Garp "The Hero" have both retired.

Kuzan has deserted the Marines.

And out of the 7 shichibukai,

Mihawks supports shanks,
Buggy will jump ship most likely,
Boa Hancock will always turn to luffy's side,
Law after this arc will have deserted the Shichibukai and would help luffy,
Doflamingo will not be in any good shape after this arc is over,

this only leaves 2 shichibukai spots open.

At this moment the Marines would not want the duo of Shanks and Luffy to team up against them, but if they do could the marines currently handle them? Even with the two new admirals in tow?

Also, this makes Fujitora's aim of dissolving the shichibukai system a lot more logical choice won't you say?

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm pretty sure if Moriah had time to recover in time for Marineford, so will Doflamingo.
To be completely honest, Sengoku and Garp did almost nothing at Marineford. Garp punched Marco once, and Sengoku tried to stop Luffy. That's about it for what they did. I'm pretty sure Akainu can formulate plans and strategies like Sengoku did.

The lack of Kuzan would be pretty bad though, since he actively fought during Marineford and was a major reason the Whitebeard Pirates had so much trouble. As for Mihawk, I can see him still fighting Shanks, out of a sense of duty if he was ordered there specifically to fight Shanks. IDK, I see something like "Sorry, Red-Hair." "I understand, Mihawk" in their respective tones of voice as they clash blades.

Anyways, I feel like this fight could either way.

 

[SpiritDama]

I don't think so, no.

 

[Zeta42]

They have two new Admirals, three (now two) new Shichibukai, Smoker got promoted to a Vice Admiral... It's not like the Navy became weaker after Marineford.

 

[Caliburn]

Well as the title says, if a situation arises in which the red hair pirates and Mugiwara pirates and their allies were to attack the Marine HQ. can they afford a marineford #2? (Post skip)

Considering two of their strongest supporters,
Sengoku the buddha & Garp "The Hero" have both retired.

Kuzan has deserted the Marines.

And out of the 7 shichibukai,

Mihawks supports shanks,
Buggy will jump ship most likely,
Boa Hancock will always turn to luffy's side,
Law after this arc will have deserted the Shichibukai and would help luffy,
Doflamingo will not be in any good shape after this arc is over,

this only leaves 2 shichibukai spots open.

At this moment the Marines would not want the duo of Shanks and Luffy to team up against them, but if they do could the marines currently handle them? Even with the two new admirals in tow?

Also, this makes Fujitora's aim of dissolving the shichibukai system a lot more logical choice won't you say?

For starters I find it a very implausible scenario that Luffy and Shanks would team up to attack Marineford. Why would they do that? The War of the Best was the result of Ace's execution, neither Whitebeard nor Luffy would have bothered with it otherwise. With the exception of Luffy there is no one else in this world, other than maybe Dragon himself and the Yonkou, for whom they would do this all again.

Secondly there's a reason Garp and Sengoku retired, they realized their era is over. So that doesn't mean the Marines got weaker, it might even be possible it would go smoother a 2nd time around with the newer generation. Akainu is quite radical after all, whilst both Garp and Sengoku were still moderate. Losing Akoiji was a bigger loss, they however by now found two new admirals.

Thirdly in the case they would do this all again, do you really think they would do it when they barely have any active Shichibukai? There were only 5 Shichibukai fighting for the Marines either way and Boa pretty much assaulted everyone and Moria got his ass clobbered by Jinbei and later by Doflamingo. The only ones who more or less genuinely fought for the Marines were Doflamingo, Mihawk and Kuma. So even in the first Marinford the Shichibukai were far from being at full strength, so it doesn't matter that much. Also it's very unlikely that they would try a 2nd Marineford when they only have two or three Shichibukai. Your scenario is based on the perception that for some reason Luffy and Shanks now directly would attack Marineford as it is now, which is as I said a very implausible scenario. Also Buggy might might jump ship, but that doesn't mean his crew does. It's very unclear how much the Marines are aware of the fact that Buggy personally isn't strong, but in the least one of the reasons they made him a Schichibukai was definitely because via him they can control a large portion of the escaped convicts of Impel Down to a certain degree.

 

[Anduril]

For starters I find it a very implausible scenario that Luffy and Shanks would team up to attack Marineford. Why would they do that? The War of the Best was the result of Ace's execution, neither Whitebeard nor Luffy would have bothered with it otherwise. With the exception of Luffy there is no one else in this world, other than maybe Dragon himself and the Yonkou, for whom they would do this all again.

Secondly there's a reason Garp and Sengoku retired, they realized their era is over. So that doesn't mean the Marines got weaker, it might even be possible it would go smoother a 2nd time around with the newer generation. Akainu is quite radical after all, whilst both Garp and Sengoku were still moderate. Losing Akoiji was a bigger loss, they however by now found two new admirals.

Thirdly in the case they would do this all again, do you really think they would do it when they barely have any active Shichibukai? There were only 5 Shichibukai fighting for the Marines either way and Boa pretty much assaulted everyone and Moria got his ass clobbered by Jinbei and later by Doflamingo. The only ones who more or less genuinely fought for the Marines were Doflamingo, Mihawk and Kuma. So even in the first Marinford the Shichibukai were far from being at full strength, so it doesn't matter that much. Also it's very unlikely that they would try a 2nd Marineford when they only have two or three Shichibukai. Your scenario is based on the perception that for some reason Luffy and Shanks now directly would attack Marineford as it is now, which is as I said a very implausible scenario. Also Buggy might might jump ship, but that doesn't mean his crew does. It's very unclear how much the Marines are aware of the fact that Buggy personally isn't strong, but in the least one of the reasons they made him a Schichibukai was definitely because via him they can control a large portion of the escaped convicts of Impel Down to a certain degree.

And do you believe that Fujitora's aim of dissolving the Shichibukai system makes more sense, than keeping it there. Cause it seems that it hinders the marines more than it helps them.

 

[Olorin]

teh marines only suffered one significant loss in the MF battle ... the island of Marineford

the island aside teh Marines obliterated the entire WB pirates + allies without Garp and Sengoku even stepping in and Mihawk screwing around, and even than only Akainu got (just slightly) injured, no Shanks + Luffy (and their crews) aren't anywhere close to being strong enough to take on the Marines

the Marines could afford it yes but if possible they would want to avoid another confrontation like taht

 

[Ridoku X]

I believe yes, the Marines can afford another war. They didn't suffer that many losses against the Whitebeard Pirates anyways v_v

And Kuzan might have left, but they've got 2 very capable admirals so they're gonna be good I think. Also, Garp and Sengoku didn't really do that much, though I agree that they must have gotten weaker. The sichibukai are just an aid, not the main force.

 

[Peace Maker]

Well as the title says, if a situation arises in which the red hair pirates and Mugiwara pirates and their allies were to attack the Marine HQ. can they afford a marineford #2? (Post skip)

Considering two of their strongest supporters,
Sengoku the buddha & Garp "The Hero" have both retired.

Kuzan has deserted the Marines.

And out of the 7 shichibukai,

Mihawks supports shanks,
Buggy will jump ship most likely,
Boa Hancock will always turn to luffy's side,
Law after this arc will have deserted the Shichibukai and would help luffy,
Doflamingo will not be in any good shape after this arc is over,

this only leaves 2 shichibukai spots open.

At this moment the Marines would not want the duo of Shanks and Luffy to team up against them, but if they do could the marines currently handle them? Even with the two new admirals in tow?

Also, this makes Fujitora's aim of dissolving the shichibukai system a lot more logical choice won't you say?

I personally think that if theres another war beetween the world goverment and a big time yonkou pirate.. the retired vice admirals, admirals would still go remember the old woman that garps talked to, she seems reitire anywy to make it short, even tho they were retired they cant just ignore a war of the greats again... remember! wg full force

 

[Anduril]

I personally think that if theres another war beetween the world goverment and a big time yonkou pirate.. the retired vice admirals, admirals would still go remember the old woman that garps talked to, she seems reitire anywy to make it short, even tho they were retired they cant just ignore a war of the greats again... remember! wg full force

Her name is Tsuru and she was not retired, cause she was present in the shichibukai meeting too.

 

[A v i]

Navy is stronger than what it was 2Y ago. SH's are fodders they are not going to change anything in this war. Mihawk won't support Shanks. The best he can do is to stay out of their way, means that he won't support anyone in this war. Team Marines will win this.